Telford abuse: Concerns over youth workers' case loads

[Infinite Chaos]

And so what? Abuse of children is abuse of children regardless where it happens no? It is the classification that pisses me off, because it is being used in singling out a widespread problem as being only in the Asian community and THAT brings out all the racist right wing muslim haters. The fact is, this problem is not exclusive to the Asian community and it is far more widespread in the white population in the UK and many other countries.. because the population is mostly white.

If you can't see the difference between someone targeting vulnerable people because they are vulnerable and vulnerable people because they are children then you have no business on this thread whether right wing groups are picking up on this or not.

And again - the muslim grooming gangs also operate locally while internet paedophile groups like the one you pointed out / linked to operate across boundaries.

Yes and I am questioning why the hell the types even exist!

For the very simple reason that your police would have to use different tactics against each. No point doing traditional anti-paedophile work against a group simply looking for vulnerable victims because it may not work.

This isn't even counting whether the police are doing a good job or not.

 

[ThirdTerm]

There is growing evidence that children in care are particularly vulnerable to child sexual exploitation and a disproportionate number of victims, who were groomed or sexually exploited, were in the care system. Some children “introduced” other children within homes to their abusers and there is a constant flow of vulnerable children for perpetrators to exploit from the care system. The majority of the looked after children are white (77%) and in foster care placements (75%), while some children were looked after under police protection or involvement with the Youth Justice System, which was why many victims were treated like criminals or prostitutes by the police for many decades and their abuse claims were ignored.

Grooming gangs are exploiting society’s ‘deep prejudice’ against children in care, poet Lemn Sissay has said.

Lemn, who was raised by a foster family in Wigan before spending his teenage years in numerous care homes, says kids in care are still viewed as ‘toxic’.

And he says grooming rings, such as the gang led by Shabir Ahmed in Rochdale who were convicted in 2012 of the horrific abuse of five vulnerable young girls in the town, some of whom were in care, are ‘exploiting our blind spot’ to target their victims.

“It is really easy for us to blame the social workers or the authorities, but the abuse in Rochdale - and Rotherham, Oxfordshire and elsewhere - could not have happened if society wasn’t still prejudiced against children in care,” said Lemn, who was abused physically, emotionally and racially during his time in care.

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[PeteEU]

If you can't see the difference between someone targeting vulnerable people because they are vulnerable and vulnerable people because they are children then you have no business on this thread whether right wing groups are picking up on this or not.

And again - the muslim grooming gangs also operate locally while internet paedophile groups like the one you pointed out / linked to operate across boundaries.

Eh? This is about grooming of children no? What on earth does that have to do with targeting vulnerable people and children? Children are always vulnerable..

As for Asian grooming gangs working locally and whites not.. bull****. The children abused by whites are more than often their own or friends kids in the local area. Dont tell me you are living in some fantasy world where the kids being abused, are being abused in some far flung country? Sure that happens as well..but more than often it is a group of pedophiles that are abusing their own children and sharing it among their friends. Regardless it is just as much grooming as some Asian men doing it in Rochdale.

For the very simple reason that your police would have to use different tactics against each. No point doing traditional anti-paedophile work against a group simply looking for vulnerable victims because it may not work.

What on earth are you talking about? The police should be targeting pedophile groups no matter race, religion or ethnicity no? I would wager that many of the Rochdale and Telford abused children were also filmed and sold on the internet to people outside the area. Children are always vulnerable, regardless if the pedophile is their father/mother or some stranger giving them candy.

As for tackling this kind of behaviour.. it is hard, no doubt about that. You basically need to have the victims come forward before the dominos start to fall... but that of course means that the police and local government need to believe the victims in the first place. This clearly failed with Savile, the UK Parliament pedo group, Rochdale, Telford, Catholic Church and so on.. Now thanks to the internet, you can catch these crazies but identifying the victims is often very hard.

 

[gunner]

Eh? This is about grooming of children no? What on earth does that have to do with targeting vulnerable people and children? Children are always vulnerable..

As for Asian grooming gangs working locally and whites not.. bull****. The children abused by whites are more than often their own or friends kids in the local area. Dont tell me you are living in some fantasy world where the kids being abused, are being abused in some far flung country? Sure that happens as well..but more than often it is a group of pedophiles that are abusing their own children and sharing it among their friends. Regardless it is just as much grooming as some Asian men doing it in Rochdale.



What on earth are you talking about? The police should be targeting pedophile groups no matter race, religion or ethnicity no? I would wager that many of the Rochdale and Telford abused children were also filmed and sold on the internet to people outside the area. Children are always vulnerable, regardless if the pedophile is their father/mother or some stranger giving them candy.

As for tackling this kind of behaviour.. it is hard, no doubt about that. You basically need to have the victims come forward before the dominos start to fall... but that of course means that the police and local government need to believe the victims in the first place. This clearly failed with Savile, the UK Parliament pedo group, Rochdale, Telford, Catholic Church and so on.. Now thanks to the internet, you can catch these crazies but identifying the victims is often very hard.

Quit with continually equating the Asian gangs with other types. IC was very clear on 'type's now stop being an apologist for street grooming gangs by clutching at anything to equate their patterns of behaviour, with that of other paedophiles. Until you accept the evidence it will look very suspicious the lengths you go too, in not seeing what is very plain to others. I wonder what you have to hide?

 

[PeteEU]

Quit with continually equating the Asian gangs with other types.

And there you have the problem.. there is no difference.. and yet by saying there is, you single out one group because you hate Asians and Muslims, but totally ignore the other group.... they are pedophile scum period.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Eh? This is about grooming of children no? What on earth does that have to do with targeting vulnerable people and children? Children are always vulnerable..

As for Asian grooming gangs working locally and whites not.. bull****. The children abused by whites are more than often their own or friends kids in the local area. Dont tell me you are living in some fantasy world where the kids being abused, are being abused in some far flung country? Sure that happens as well..but more than often it is a group of pedophiles that are abusing their own children and sharing it among their friends. Regardless it is just as much grooming as some Asian men doing it in Rochdale.



What on earth are you talking about? The police should be targeting pedophile groups no matter race, religion or ethnicity no? I would wager that many of the Rochdale and Telford abused children were also filmed and sold on the internet to people outside the area. Children are always vulnerable, regardless if the pedophile is their father/mother or some stranger giving them candy.

As for tackling this kind of behaviour.. it is hard, no doubt about that. You basically need to have the victims come forward before the dominos start to fall... but that of course means that the police and local government need to believe the victims in the first place. This clearly failed with Savile, the UK Parliament pedo group, Rochdale, Telford, Catholic Church and so on.. Now thanks to the internet, you can catch these crazies but identifying the victims is often very hard.

What you're basically arguing for is for the same policing tactics on all paedophiles as if there were no different types of paedophiles or no different ways they carry out their activities.

You think catching a paedophile who gets his jollies by watching some girl in the Philipinnes is the same as dealing with a father who sneaks into his daughter's bedroom and is the same as a muslim taxi driver who grooms girls from the nearest homeless shelter for teenagers?

Really?

 

[gunner]

And there you have the problem.. there is no difference.. and yet by saying there is, you single out one group because you hate Asians and Muslims, but totally ignore the other group.... they are pedophile scum period.

There are fundamental differences. What ****in planet are you on? If we follow your analogy through and the Police used the very same investigative practice, they would not have a hope in hell chance of catching anyone. Again, I find your defence here very disturbing.

 

[PeteEU]

There are fundamental differences. What ****in planet are you on? If we follow your analogy through and the Police used the very same investigative practice, they would not have a hope in hell chance of catching anyone. Again, I find your defence here very disturbing.

Defence of what? A pedophile is a pedophile regardless if he is white or brown. They all groom their victims and more than often they share their victims as well. So differences are there between a brown man taking advantage of a white girl and a white man taking advantage of a white girl? None.

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[PeteEU]

What you're basically arguing for is for the same policing tactics on all paedophiles as if there were no different types of paedophiles or no different ways they carry out their activities.

You think catching a paedophile who gets his jollies by watching some girl in the Philipinnes is the same as dealing with a father who sneaks into his daughter's bedroom and is the same as a muslim taxi driver who grooms girls from the nearest homeless shelter for teenagers?

Really?

No I am not arguing anything on police tactics. I am against the politically motivate labelling of one segment of the pedophile world, over that of another. This labelling means that people focus more on grooming gangs because they are now associated with brown Muslim men, and almost ignore the far bigger number in the other catagory.

And don't tell me that you believe that whites only let others abuse kids in 3rd world countries so they can watch?

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[Infinite Chaos]

Defence of what? A pedophile is a pedophile regardless if he is white or brown. They all groom their victims and more than often they share their victims as well. So differences are there between a brown man taking advantage of a white girl and a white man taking advantage of a white girl? None.

No I am not arguing anything on police tactics.

Your own words deny what you claim. If all paedophiles are the same then basically police tactics should be the same shouldn't they?

~ I am against the politically motivate labelling of one segment of the pedophile world, over that of another.

How is CEOP politically motivated? Or the RSPCC? Or the children's society?

~ And don't tell me that you believe that whites only let others abuse kids in 3rd world countries so they can watch?

Stick to the subject or translate that sentence into plain English.

 

[PeteEU]

Your own words deny what you claim. If all paedophiles are the same then basically police tactics should be the same shouldn't they?

What are you babbling about? I never went in on police tactics. It has always been about labelling a group of pedos different solely to attack a certain minority. Time and time again we hear about grooming gangs and Asians.. yet rarely do we hear much about the white christian pedos.. strange no? How is that investigation into the Parliament pedo ring going.... no where.

How is CEOP politically motivated? Or the RSPCC? Or the children's society?

Why have any definition other than pedo? It would be like saying.. oh there is murder, but then there is also murder by a brown guy.. murder is murder and the investigative practices of murder depends on the situation.. hey much like investigating any criminal enterprise..

Stick to the subject or translate that sentence into plain English.

You are the one bringing it up lol.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

What are you babbling about? I never went in on police tactics. It has always been about labelling a group of pedos different solely to attack a certain minority. Time and time again we hear about grooming gangs and Asians..

You've been triggered by the fact the group has been explained to be muslim paedophiles? Why is that?

yet rarely do we hear much about the white christian pedos.. strange no? How is that investigation into the Parliament pedo ring going.... no where.

The police closed the case, paid compensation for false charges and have arrested the guy who made the accusations after he was found to have images of children on his computer. You will probably try and make out he was framed no?

~ Why have any definition other than pedo? It would be like saying.. oh there is murder, but then there is also murder by a brown guy.. murder is murder and the investigative practices of murder depends on the situation.. hey much like investigating any criminal enterprise..

Again, do you believe a paedophile who is part of an internet ring is the same as a paedophile who grooms victims at the nearby children's hostel or the paedophile who creeps into his daughter's bedroom in the middle of the night?

Yes or no?

You are the one bringing it up lol.

LOL what? I quoted YOUR post!

 

[gunner]

Defence of what? A pedophile is a pedophile regardless if he is white or brown. They all groom their victims and more than often they share their victims as well. So differences are there between a brown man taking advantage of a white girl and a white man taking advantage of a white girl? None.

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I really suggest you do some research. I've never encountered someone so intellectually inadequate yet holding such bizarre opinions, ever.

 

[PeteEU]

I really suggest you do some research. I've never encountered someone so intellectually inadequate yet holding such bizarre opinions, ever.

So let me get this right... you say that there is a difference between a brown/black/yellow man taking advantage of a child, vs a white?

 

[PeteEU]

You've been triggered by the fact the group has been explained to be muslim paedophiles? Why is that?

Because it was false. Even the police state that this is not true. The investigations are ongoing.

The police closed the case, paid compensation for false charges and have arrested the guy who made the accusations after he was found to have images of children on his computer. You will probably try and make out he was framed no?

Interesting.. so the May government found a scapegoat. Pathetic.. we both know that it was not only him, and all the material concerning the allegations from the 1980s have disappeared.. it is a massive cover up and how Cameron/May handled their bungled independent investigation by appointing people in serious conflict of interest to lead said investigations.. just proves the cover up. However as far as I know, the independent investigation is still a go, but delayed.. but guessing with the above arrest, then it will be disbanded.. how good for those white christian politicians.. pathetic.

Again, do you believe a paedophile who is part of an internet ring is the same as a paedophile who grooms victims at the nearby children's hostel or the paedophile who creeps into his daughter's bedroom in the middle of the night?

Yes or no?

Yes, they are all pedophiles. You can easily have one person in all those categories you just mentioned. There has been cases, where a person was abusing his/her kids, selling them to others, and filming that for the internet.

The problem is the category you and the UK uses. Somehow it is worse to be in a grooming gang it seems, than abusing your own kids or viewing child porn from Indonesia. Not to mention, that the usual suspects of racists and anti-Muslim morons jump on the bandwagon to create even more hatred towards a minority. These guys, in Rochdale, Telford and elsewhere are all.. pedophiles..regardless of how they practice their vile obsession.

You do know that in Telford there has been over 53 arrests and the investigations are still on going right? That the guys thrown in jail in 2012 were the first sure, but as the police in charge of the investigation has said that the perpetrators represent the overall population.. aka they are not all or only Asian Muslim men.

LOL what? I quoted YOUR post!

You were the one who brought up abuse in other countries..

 

[backpacker]

Hard to know what to make of the case since officials are disputing the number of victims and that the office is understaffed. It would be nice if the BBC added a little investigation into their he said-she said style of journalism to shed some light on who is right.

 

[gunner]

So let me get this right... you say that there is a difference between a brown/black/yellow man taking advantage of a child, vs a white?

It's only you who is talking about the colour of someone's skin. Are you a racist or something?

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Because it was false. Even the police state that this is not true. The investigations are ongoing.

You're rambling and not replying directly to my comments. If you're claiming the police state that the accuser of the Westminster ring did not confess or make false allegations or are you claiming something else? Explain yourself properly please.

Interesting.. so the May government found a scapegoat.

Ah, why does this not surprise me. You calim the govt is performing a coverup? Can you validate this claim please? Links?

Pathetic.. we both know that it was not only him, and all the material concerning the allegations from the 1980s have disappeared.. it is a massive cover up and how Cameron/May handled their bungled independent investigation by appointing people in serious conflict of interest to lead said investigations.. just proves the cover up. However as far as I know, the independent investigation is still a go, but delayed.. but guessing with the above arrest, then it will be disbanded.. how good for those white christian politicians.. pathetic.

Rambling nonsense unless you can back these outlandish claims.

Yes, they are all pedophiles. You can easily have one person in all those categories you just mentioned. There has been cases, where a person was abusing his/her kids, selling them to others, and filming that for the internet.

A one off.

Somehow it is worse to be in a grooming gang it seems, than abusing your own kids or viewing child porn from Indonesia. Not to mention, that the usual suspects of racists and anti-Muslim morons jump on the bandwagon to create even more hatred towards a minority. These guys, in Rochdale, Telford and elsewhere are all.. pedophiles..regardless of how they practice their vile obsession.

At what point can you show the UK police have stopped prosecuting all other paedophiles just to focus on Asian muslims? Why do you make a claim which you verifiably know is not true?

You seem to believe that only asian muslims are being prosecuted or their cases publicised. Why this focus?

You do know that in Telford there has been over 53 arrests and the investigations are still on going right? That the guys thrown in jail in 2012 were the first sure, but as the police in charge of the investigation has said that the perpetrators represent the overall population.. aka they are not all or only Asian Muslim men.

So how do you know about the other cases and investigations? This must prove your claim only muslim cases are being chased after.

You were the one who brought up abuse in other countries..

Pete, post 25 was from you. If you're referring to my 31 that was in response to you mentioning other countries. However, like I asked before and still not answered by you.

Do you believe the police should chase all paedophiles using the same tactics, yes or no. Answer please. I've asked 3-4 times now so I will have to assume your answer because you refuse to acknowledge that fault in your reasoning.

 

[DarkWizard12]

No you are at it again.. with your racist bull****. Yes it is racist bull****, because you are pointing out only the brown criminals and totally ignoring the non brown ones. Telford has been going on for 40 years, that means the 1970s and 1980s. Back then, Telford was whiter than white.. and even now it is still 93% white. The "Asian" population is 3%.. There is even less of an Asian population than in Rotherham, which is also VERY white.

And in the Telford case, both white and non white kids were targeted.. boys and girls. This was sexual abuse all around the community and it was covered up by the community itself.

But yes, the people convicted in 2012... 5 years ago, and zero relevance to this story.. were in fact Asian and we only know about that, because it was in the media. Funny how little the media cares about such cases when it is white Brits who are abusing children.

lol you're saying facts have a racist bias? Thats a new one.

 

[PeteEU]

lol you're saying facts have a racist bias? Thats a new one.

No that is your interpretation and it is wrong. I am saying that the classification is being used by racists to attack a minority and hence the classification it self is bad.

Look at it this way... you have Murder, but you now classify murder committed by mostly blacks or Jews as Murder X. Suddenly every racist or anti-Semite will jump on it and say "look how bad these "minority" are and that they are a threat". The fact is that Murder X is a small minority of the over all Murder rate.

In this case, "grooming gangs" are relatively small compared to over all pedophila in society. And even with "grooming gangs" the people media have gone out of their way to promote only the minority abuser and ignore the non minority abusers. Take Telford.. yes a number of Asian pedos got put in jail 5 years ago, but the case is ongoing with over 50 more arrests, and according to the police guy in charge, the people arrested "represent society in the area as a whole", which means a huge majority is in fact.. white. But because of UK law, we wont know the facts before these 50+ people are convicted, and I personally dont expect the usual suspects in the media that do promote this grooming gang "issue", to plaster the front pages with the faces of white men and women.

 

[PeteEU]

You're rambling and not replying directly to my comments. If you're claiming the police state that the accuser of the Westminster ring did not confess or make false allegations or are you claiming something else? Explain yourself properly please.

Ah, why does this not surprise me. You calim the govt is performing a coverup? Can you validate this claim please? Links?

It is very convenient.... a pedo scandal going back to the Tory hero Thatcher including current and former Tory ministers and yes Labour, plus Met police... that suddenly the case falls apart. That and the delay and delay via incompetence by a Tory government in the independent inquiry... very convenient.

Rambling nonsense unless you can back these outlandish claims.

Wait what.. you claim that the Tory government did not botch at least 2 appointments to head the inquiry? That one Butler-Sloss was not appointed.. the SISTER of the the Attorney General under Thatcher that buried the case in the first place... the conflict of interest alone here was WTF? And then they put Fiona Woolf, a Tory loyalist to head the inquiry. Problem here was her personal links to some of the accused... another clear conflict of interest. Finally YEARS after the Tory government promised an inquiry, they settled on a New Zealand Judge.. who the resigned in 2016 for "personal reasons" and now they are on their 4th judge... and in June 2017 one of the main victims groups said that they had been marginalized and were withdrawing from the investigation... you are denying all this?

A one off.

LOL

At what point can you show the UK police have stopped prosecuting all other paedophiles just to focus on Asian muslims? Why do you make a claim which you verifiably know is not true?

Stop making **** up. I NEVER said that. The police are doing their job. I am talking about the media and coverage.

You seem to believe that only asian muslims are being prosecuted or their cases publicised. Why this focus?

Hell NO!.. Stop making **** up. I am saying the total opposite. However here, in this thread and many others, in the UK media and elsewhere, is when Asian Muslims are involved.. THAT is my issue.

So how do you know about the other cases and investigations? This must prove your claim only muslim cases are being chased after.

NEVER MADE THAT CLAIM! I have said over and over again, that non muslims were involved and should have the same coverage as the Asian Muslims and THAT is not happening. Even in the Telford case, there are over 50+ arrests and cases still pending trial and yet it only makes the news and these boards when the Asian participants are mentioned.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

~ very convenient.

there was a demon worship scare in the 1990's and credible claimants got children taken into care, parents accused and had their names muddied. Eventually the case collapsed. That story and the story of "Nick" shows that the principle of innocent till proven guilty should be primary however you believe the opposite.

Now, I asked for proof of your claim it is a coverup. Anything?

~ you are denying all this?

No, but are you denying "Nick" told lies and was actually a fantasist who was making and distributing child porn?

~ Stop making **** up. I NEVER said that. The police are doing their job. I am talking about the media and coverage.

Hell NO!.. Stop making **** up. I am saying the total opposite. However here, in this thread and many others, in the UK media and elsewhere, is when Asian Muslims are involved.. THAT is my issue.

NEVER MADE THAT CLAIM! I have said over and over again, that non muslims were involved and should have the same coverage as the Asian Muslims and THAT is not happening. Even in the Telford case, there are over 50+ arrests and cases still pending trial and yet it only makes the news and these boards when the Asian participants are mentioned.

Now, calm down and read your posts back. You claim repeatedly that a paedophile is a paedophile etc but while this is true you do everything you can to deny that actual patterns exist. White paedophiles exist and they operate in a variety of ways from grooming to sharing groups to internet sharers to lone paedophiles.

A pattern of group activity where Asian muslim men target vulnerable girls in similar ways across more and more of the UK and you do everything you can to get focus on white men and not onto these paedophiles. It is a focus because this same type of paedophile is not as engaged in other types of activity which means that policing and policy has to target that activity to deal with it. (badly so far)

Tell me, why shouldn't there be a focus on a very specific and repeated crime? You dodge the police tactics question because it undermines your position. You can't claim on one hand all paedophiles are the same when the police are treating them by different policing methods and by different tactics.

Your position is foolish and unsustainable.

 

[PeteEU]

there was a demon worship scare in the 1990's and credible claimants got children taken into care, parents accused and had their names muddied. Eventually the case collapsed. That story and the story of "Nick" shows that the principle of innocent till proven guilty should be primary however you believe the opposite.

Now, I asked for proof of your claim it is a coverup. Anything?

No, but are you denying "Nick" told lies and was actually a fantasist who was making and distributing child porn?

I said it was convenient because now there is an excuse to forget it all.. despite the Thatcher government burying the whole thing in the first case. Just as it is convenient, that almost all the material from that era is poofed...

Now, calm down and read your posts back. You claim repeatedly that a paedophile is a paedophile etc but while this is true you do everything you can to deny that actual patterns exist. White paedophiles exist and they operate in a variety of ways from grooming to sharing groups to internet sharers to lone paedophiles.

A pattern of group activity where Asian muslim men target vulnerable girls in similar ways across more and more of the UK and you do everything you can to get focus on white men and not onto these paedophiles. It is a focus because this same type of paedophile is not as engaged in other types of activity which means that policing and policy has to target that activity to deal with it. (badly so far)

And a pattern of group activity is also the Catholic Church, and many other groups.. who all were white. I stand by my opinion that using these categories does nothing but hurt the fight against pedophile groups, because all the medias attention is focused on a small portion of the problem... like with Telford.

Tell me, why shouldn't there be a focus on a very specific and repeated crime? You dodge the police tactics question because it undermines your position. You can't claim on one hand all paedophiles are the same when the police are treating them by different policing methods and by different tactics.

Again this discussion has nothing to do with police tactics. Police tactics are not dependent on what category the politicians dictate that the criminals should be put in.

Your position is foolish and unsustainable.

Hardly foolish as this whole thread, and a number of others clearly prove my point, that the while "grooming gang" category is pushing racism and anti-Muslim hatred and glazing over white pedophilea.

 

[gunner]

I said it was convenient because now there is an excuse to forget it all.. despite the Thatcher government burying the whole thing in the first case. Just as it is convenient, that almost all the material from that era is poofed...



And a pattern of group activity is also the Catholic Church, and many other groups.. who all were white. I stand by my opinion that using these categories does nothing but hurt the fight against pedophile groups, because all the medias attention is focused on a small portion of the problem... like with Telford.



Again this discussion has nothing to do with police tactics. Police tactics are not dependent on what category the politicians dictate that the criminals should be put in.



Hardly foolish as this whole thread, and a number of others clearly prove my point, that the while "grooming gang" category is pushing racism and anti-Muslim hatred and glazing over white pedophilea.

And yet you still can't provide evidence for the "white grooming " gangs!!

 

[Infinite Chaos]

I said it was convenient because now there is an excuse to forget it all.. despite the Thatcher government burying the whole thing in the first case. Just as it is convenient, that almost all the material from that era is poofed...

So, nothing to back up your claim then.

And a pattern of group activity is also the Catholic Church, and many other groups.. who all were white. I stand by my opinion that using these categories does nothing but hurt the fight against pedophile groups, because all the medias attention is focused on a small portion of the problem... like with Telford.

You think there was no widespread coverage of the Catholic Church and paedophile priests? What planet were you on when that was making the front pages? Tell me, what else do you think forced the Catholic Church into apologies right from the top?

You just have to be kidding or blind if you think there was no mass coverage in the media.

Again this discussion has nothing to do with police tactics. Police tactics are not dependent on what category the politicians dictate that the criminals should be put in.

You're being deliberately coy or obtuse. You also keep claiming "politicians" when I've already given you links to NGO's such as child protection agencies and their categories.

Hardly foolish as this whole thread, and a number of others clearly prove my point, that the while "grooming gang" category is pushing racism and anti-Muslim hatred and glazing over white pedophilea.

Totally foolish. You forgot or ignored the Catholic paedophile coverage, you ignore that child protection agencies use categories for different paedophile activity and you somehow think this thread is simple racism.

Let me ask another question you won't answer - if you're so keen to have discussion of Catholic church paedophiles - post a thread.