Teen abortion in Texas increases after closing of planned parenthood.

[minnie616]

Well then, the simplest solution would be for PPA to completely separate their "reproductive health" operations from their abortion operations. Doing so would make it VERY easy to get all the Fed. funding they would need for the part that almost everyone supports. If, as I've seen claimed repeatedly, Fed. $$ isn't used for abortions, then such a thing should be very simple to execute.

There are many Planned Parenthood clinics that do Not provide abortions.

In fact out of 12 Centers in Pennsylvania IIRC only 3 provide abortions ...

 

[vegas giants]

Well then lets pour funding into Pregnancy Resource Centers. They provide almost the same reproductive health services that PPA does, plus they provide free ultra-sounds for pregnant women/girls. With the same kind of Fed. funding that PPA gets put into PRC, you would have the preventative side of things covered with ease.

They actually do get the same grant money that PP gets. Where PP gets most of its federal dollars is by providing services that Medicaid pays for. Pregnancy resource centers are welcome to do this as well....they just don't.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Well then, the simplest solution would be for PPA to completely separate their "reproductive health" operations from their abortion operations. Doing so would make it VERY easy to get all the Fed. funding they would need for the part that almost everyone supports. If, as I've seen claimed repeatedly, Fed. $$ isn't used for abortions, then such a thing should be very simple to execute.

The fact that Fed $$ weren't used for abortions and the GOP attacked it anyway shows it's not about what's effective at reducing abortions, it's about optics and irrationality.

 

[minnie616]

Well then lets pour funding into Pregnancy Resource Centers. They provide almost the same reproductive health services that PPA does, plus they provide free ultra-sounds for pregnant women/girls. With the same kind of Fed. funding that PPA gets put into PRC, you would have the preventative side of things covered with ease.

Pregnancy Resorse do not offer Birth control Pills as I stated earlier.

This is from a 2015 article:

What Some Pregnancy Centers Are Really Saying to Women With Unplanned Pregnancies

Centers increasingly look just like doctor's offices with ultrasound rooms and staff in scrubs. Yet they do not provide or refer for contraception or abortion. Many pregnancy-center counselors, even those who provide medical information, are not licensed. And even some workers who are licensed, such as nurses and ultrasound technicians, repeat myths about abortion and contraception. Last year, I attended Heartbeat International's annual conference, where nurses told me that birth control "introduces too many chemicals into your body" and that women "never recover" emotionally from abortion.

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All of this is supported by tens of millions of federal and state dollars. At least 11 states now directly fund pregnancy centers, according to state contracts and contractor websites. Many states refer low-income pregnant women to anti-abortion centers on health department websites, as well as in "informed consent" materials that abortion providers distribute to patients.

Few states, however, have any laws regulating how pregnancy centers interact with women. Unlike other mental-health providers, center counselors are generally not bound by professional standards or malpractice laws. In many cases, the anti-abortion organizations that run the centers — not state employees — monitor their own work.

South Dakota has gone the farthest. As part of its 2011 legislation, the state required all women seeking an abortion to first visit one of two state-approved anti-abortion centers. One is the Care Net in Rapid City — the center that Nicole visited. The other is the Alpha Center in Sioux Falls, run by a longtime anti-contraception and anti-abortion activist. A district court has put the law on hold and is deciding whether the state has the right to force women to visit anti-abortion centers. As the judge evaluates the arguments, women across the state — and country — walk into pregnancy centers in search of free medical services. Some, like Nicole, are savvy about the centers' true goals. They also know they have no better option.

What Some Pregnancy Centers Are Really Saying to Women With Unplanned Pregnancies

 

[AGENT J]

There are many Planned Parenthood clinics that do Not provide abortions.

In fact out of 12 Centers in Pennsylvania IIRC only 3 provide abortions ...

The ratio is is pretty close but your overall numbers are off. IIRC (its been a year or so since i looked it up) I think its like 33/11 but regardless you are 100% correct. Many PPs dont even do abortions. the witch hunt for them is retarded and with out logical basis.

 

[minnie616]

The ratio is is pretty close but your overall numbers are off. IIRC (its been a year or so since i looked it up) I think its like 33/11 but regardless you are 100% correct. Many PPs dont even do abortions. the witch hunt for them is retarded and with out logical basis.

Thank you for your correction of numbers.

Looks like I was thinking of ratio I guess.

It seems there are about 3 times as many PP clinics that do not provide abortions than those that do provide them.

 

[beefheart]

It's hard to find an example of an action so incredibly counter-productive to the desires of the people who thought of it. Anyone that truly wants as few abortions as possible in America should value sex education, easy access to contraception, and support for Planned Parenthood.

Texas.......nuff' said...

 

[AGENT J]

Thank you for your correction of numbers.

Looks like I was thinking of ratio I guess.

It seems there are about 3 times as many PP clinics that do not provide abortions than those that do provide them.

No problem, not even sure if my numbers are completely accurate but they are closer. I also can't speck for other states but I believe it was very similar in virgina or ohio .. i cant remember. Whether that ratio is accurate for the country i dont know though.

 

[Removable Mind]

Well , when you remove access to contracpetion and sex education, what do you expect would happen??


Teen Abortions Surged In Texas After Republicans Defunded Planned Parenthood | HuffPost

Just read in the Austin Statesman that The feds just cut 200 million from Teen Pregnancy Programs. I can't fathom so much idiocracy. Gezzzz. Texas is losing near 5 million more.

Sadly Texas already has one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the nation.

Can't wait for the news all of the god fearing loving, caring asses in the state and federal government anounces cuts in social programs for food and medicine for children.

 

[British Right]

Planned Parenthood should not have been funded by the government. Sex education can take place in schools. It is a joke to insist that the American population is RELIANT on a private organization that has nothing to do with the countries infrastructure.

Want to know how to stop teen pregnancies. Stop being bad parents, and help eradicate this desire among young people to be stupid. I do believe Tax money should go towards programs that educate on sexual matters.

However giving money to people purely because they want to **** is shameful. To do so the human race is admitting that they are unable to control their sexual urges and the only thing that can be done is provide free contraception or abortions.

If I want a new phone, I work and buy one. If I want a new TV, I work and buy one. But If a 18 year old girl wants sex I have to pay for it?. That isn't me being selfish, that's all these teens being selfish. And they were not born selfish, someone nurtured them into what they are.

Otherwise wouldn't all teen's be getting pregnant if there was not another factor other than biology driving teen pregnancy up?

 

[minnie616]

Planned Parenthood should not have been funded by the government. Sex education can take place in schools. It is a joke to insist that the American population is RELIANT on a private organization that has nothing to do with the countries infrastructure.

Want to know how to stop teen pregnancies. Stop being bad parents, and help eradicate this desire among young people to be stupid. I do believe Tax money should go towards programs that educate on sexual matters.

However giving money to people purely because they want to **** is shameful. To do so the human race is admitting that they are unable to control their sexual urges and the only thing that can be done is provide free contraception or abortions.

If I want a new phone, I work and buy one. If I want a new TV, I work and buy one. But If a 18 year old girl wants sex I have to pay for it?. That isn't me being selfish, that's all these teens being selfish. And they were not born selfish, someone nurtured them into what they are.

Otherwise wouldn't all teen's be getting pregnant if there was not another factor other than biology driving teen pregnancy up?

Title X funding for family planning is not just awarded to Planned Parenhood but also to hundreds of other Federally Qualified Health Centers too.

There are no free elective abortions. Planned Parenthood charges a set price based on the type of abortion and how far along the pregnacy is. The woman or her insurance ( if she has abortion insurance ) pays the abortion. ( sometimes the woman receives help paying for the abortion from an abortion fund which gets money that individuals have donated to.)

Teen pregnancy has been going down greatly and we are the lowest levels in decades.

From the following:

(CNN)In the United States, teen-aged moms are increasingly rare. In 2016, the teen birth rate dropped 9% compared to the previous year, a new government report published Friday found. This record low for teens having babies continues a long-term trend.

The birth rate among teen girls has dropped 67% since 1991, according to the National Center for Health Statistics, which presented preliminary data for 2016 based on a majority (99.9%) of births.

<snip>

What's fueling the declines?

"Data [from previous years] really suggests it is access to contraceptives and use of contraceptives that has really led to these kind of changes," said Berlan, who noted that "most teens are using some form of birth control" and the top method is "the condom, followed by withdrawal and the pill."

Teen birth rate drops to all-time low in US - CNN

 

[British Right]

I notice that you jump on the abortion button, we are talking pre pregnancy here. Contraception, abortion isn't contraception.

Do you agree or disagree:
Teen's should be educated in school about the effects of sexual promiscuity and how to avoid the negatives (STI/D's & Pregnancy). The FACT is Japan doesn't have an issue with teen pregnancy and contraception isn't free.

Therefore the problem isn't a static one. Society is literally telling kids, especially girls that no one can tell them what to do, and that the only way to be empowered is to rebel against everything including basic knowledge of safe sex.

A logical argument against my idea does not exist. What makes America so different that it needs free contraception. Condoms are not expensive, and neither is the pill. All that needs to be learnt is proper responsibility. Currently American parents and schools are not doing this.

 

[holbritter]

Planned Parenthood should not have been funded by the government. Sex education can take place in schools. It is a joke to insist that the American population is RELIANT on a private organization that has nothing to do with the countries infrastructure.

Want to know how to stop teen pregnancies. Stop being bad parents, and help eradicate this desire among young people to be stupid. I do believe Tax money should go towards programs that educate on sexual matters.

However giving money to people purely because they want to **** is shameful. To do so the human race is admitting that they are unable to control their sexual urges and the only thing that can be done is provide free contraception or abortions.

If I want a new phone, I work and buy one. If I want a new TV, I work and buy one. But If a 18 year old girl wants sex I have to pay for it?. That isn't me being selfish, that's all these teens being selfish. And they were not born selfish, someone nurtured them into what they are.

Otherwise wouldn't all teen's be getting pregnant if there was not another factor other than biology driving teen pregnancy up?

It is human nature and what is selfish is having sex without protection, not the act itself.

 

[British Right]

I didn't say having sex is selfish. I said having sex and expecting tax payers to cover the cost of contraception.

You can not look at it any other way, it's the definition of selfish. Expecting something from someone else while they have 0 positive gain.

 

[minnie616]

I didn't say having sex is selfish. I said having sex and expecting tax payers to cover the cost of contraception.

You can not look at it any other way, it's the definition of selfish. Expecting something from someone else while they have 0 positive gain.

Having a child one cannot afford cost the US taxpayers much more money than condoms and or birth control pill contraception for those who go to clinics asking for help paying for birth control ( by the way many of the poor still pay for birth control pills and other forms of artifical birth control on a sliding scale).

The US taxpayers are gaining lot by making birth control more affordable the poor.

For every $1 the US taxpayers pay for family planning , $7 is saved by the the US payers.

https://thenationalcampaign.org/sit...cts-straight-chapter-6-savings-to-society.pdf

 

[British Right]

You are not acknowledging my point. Tax payers should have to pay 0 for contraception and 0 for a random child they didn't bare.

Obviously this is not possible as people will make children regardless. Therefore I have stated kids need to be taught in school to not have sex. They should be taught the full implications.

The FACT is Japan doesn't have this issue. Contraception isn't expensive, poor people CAN afford it it. You are pretending America is the only collection of people on the planet. If other countries can manage so can the USA. The problem is the reluctance to admit education is the problem as well as parenting.

Notice how single mothers normally had a single mother. That is bad parenting. How comes will smiths daughter isn't pregnant? I would bet it isn't because she is rich but because her parents and local community shun child pregnancy and therefore the chance of her getting pregnant is low.

Now compare to a slum neighbourhood in Detroit. Is it their poverty which makes them get pregnant or the local nature to get pregnant young as being acceptable. Money is not the issue. The issue is education and I don't mind tax payer money going on education.

 

[minnie616]

You are not acknowledging my point. Tax payers should have to pay 0 for contraception and 0 for a random child they didn't bare.

Obviously this is not possible as people will make children regardless. Therefore I have stated kids need to be taught in school to not have sex. They should be taught the full implications.

The FACT is Japan doesn't have this issue. Contraception isn't expensive, poor people CAN afford it it. You are pretending America is the only collection of people on the planet. If other countries can manage so can the USA. The problem is the reluctance to admit education is the problem as well as parenting.

....

Not have sex?

That ship sailed a long time ago.

You can't put " the genie back in bottle.

The fact is teens are waiting longer to have sex.

Parents, relax. Fewer high school-aged teens are having sex, and when they do, they're most likely using contraception, a new government report found.

Sexual intercourse among teens has declined again after rates stabilized between 2002-2010, according to the National Center for Health Statistics report on teen sexual activity and contraceptive use released Thursday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The new study shows that just over 40 percent of boys and girls reported having had sexual intercourse by age 18 — a huge decline from the peak of 1988 when 57 percent of teens between the ages of 15 and 19 reported having had sex.

The new report was conducted year round between 2011-2015, included 4,134 male and female teens, ages 15-19. Participation was voluntary and required parental permission, but responses were anonymous.

These results are in line with a 2016 CDC report that showed a leveling off of teen sex in recent decades. The new survey also found that nearly all teens reported using some method of contraception the first time they had sex, an increase from 98 percent to 99 percent since 2002.

It's not just teens who need access to free or affordable , low failure rate artifical birth control. It's the poor adults , many of thos adults are married adults or adults who are in a committed relationship, that are using a lot of social net welfare programs.

 

[TheGoverness]

Obviously this is not possible as people will make children regardless. Therefore I have stated kids need to be taught in school to not have sex. They should be taught the full implications.

Abstinence is a fairlytale. It doesn't work.

At my school, they taught all of us that. Didn't stop me or anyone else from having sex.

 

[minnie616]

...

The FACT is Japan doesn't have this issue. Contraception isn't expensive, poor people CAN afford it it. You are pretending America is the only collection of people on the planet. If other countries can manage so can the USA. The problem is the reluctance to admit education is the problem as well as parenting.

Notice how single mothers normally had a single mother. That is bad parenting. ....

I could turn the tables around and say ...

Notice how very Christian red states have more single moms in than blue states?
Now that's Christian parenting.


See how that works ?

Poor people are more likely to have poor children that grow into poor adults.

Also I should point out most women who want to mothers in the US have on average 2 children whether they are welfare moms or those who are not on welfare.

Poor women want children just like middle income or rich families want children.

 

[British Right]

I will say this again. America is not the only group of people in the world.

Other countries are able to not provide free contraception while having a lower teen pregnancy rate. Therefor the issue is not the cost of contraception, nor how accessible.

The issue is education of the youth. You suggest a majority of teen pregnancies are caused by ineffective pills and condoms when in reality a majority of teen pregnancies are youths out enjoying themselves at a party somewhere locked in a bedroom upstairs. Too drunk to remember the condom, or too irresponsible to go to an alcohol fuelled party while not being on the pill.

Picture this, If you was an 18 year old girl with your current mind-set would you magically get pregnant? In terms of poor adults, these adults are poor by majority because they are irresponsible and uneducated. These same factors are what lead to the high birth rate in poor communities. Not a lack of contraception.

You can go down to your local and get 24 basic condoms for $10. That is just over 40c per sex session. Poor adults can afford this, the problem is their irresponsibility. In fact you could argue that giving people free contraception makes them more irresponsible.

Craving after short term solutions to a long term problem is wrong. Educational reform is required to truly fix the issue. Giving free contraception hides the problem, but while it is hidden it grows.

 

[British Right]

I could turn the tables around and say ...

Notice how very Christian red states have more single moms in than blue states?
Now that's Christian parenting.


See how that works ?

Poor people are more likely to have poor children that grow into poor adults.

Also I should point out most women who want to mothers in the US have on average 2 children whether they are welfare moms or those who are not on welfare.

Poor women want children just like middle income or rich families want children.

There exist quite a lot of poor cities and towns that believe in God too much. I believe that religion makes people too content, to the point that these single mothers in these red states seek no change because they are living the life 'God' chose. That's my opinion anyway, that can't be whole heartedly proven.

Stupid and irresponsible people become poor, they teach their kids to be stupid and irresponsible thus they become poor. Having poor parents doesn't ensure your poverty. The fact it doesn't means another factor other than starting wealth contributes to a child's future wealth. Those same factors cause people to have children by accident.

And your last point. We are not talking about planned parenthood we are talking about accidental pregnancies and want causes them. I perceive your argument is lack of free contraception, mine is lack of proper education from the system and parents.

 

[British Right]

Abstinence is a fairlytale. It doesn't work.

At my school, they taught all of us that. Didn't stop me or anyone else from having sex.

I said that wrongly. It needs to teach to not have sex in the context of. Having sex causes X, Y and Z. Making everyone aware of the implications lowers the amount of people having sex. That is a fact and has been proven.

 

[year2late]

I said that wrongly. It needs to teach to not have sex in the context of. Having sex causes X, Y and Z. Making everyone aware of the implications lowers the amount of people having sex. That is a fact and has been proven.

Sounds a lot like abstinence only education.

 

[TheGoverness]

I said that wrongly. It needs to teach to not have sex in the context of. Having sex causes X, Y and Z. Making everyone aware of the implications lowers the amount of people having sex. That is a fact and has been proven.

We were taught the implications as well. Still didn't stop me or anyone.

And I know a few people that ended up getting pregnant.

 

[joG]

Sounds a lot like abstinence only education.

Lesbian sex is safe in this respect. It's taking in the sperm that can cause the problem. Girls don't have them, so sex with them is fine for girls.