Teacher has sex with 13 year old boy

[ecofarm]

My idea only concerned participation in adult markets as an adult in our economy, regarding mandatory child support payments.

You're comparing grown men being held responsible for the support of their offspring and a raped child?

Men forced to pay child support are not raped children.

And we're not putting the rapist in charge of the victim for 6 years. That's sick.

 

[maquiscat]

As a son of European immigrants, I grew up being allowed to drink at 16, it was 14 IIRC. So, that argument falls flat.

Sex was not frowned upon in my household either. I believe I was "educated" on safe sexual practices by age 14, and bringing girls home for sex by 16. For some strange reason my parents were pretty ant-gay tho. I never could reconcile that.

With the drinking, the parents are controlling the consumption, with, hopefully, the child's ability to opt out, i.e. they don't force them to drink. That doesn't mean that they have the ability to just choose for themselves. The same principle holds for candy and other consumable as well.

For sex, yes once up into 16 and 17, we start getting individuals who can make actual informed consent decisions, regardless of law. That doesn't mean a 13 year old can do so, regardless of how educated they are. I have nothing against sexual education in the abstract, at even earlier ages. I don't hold any issues with young kids seeing nudity in and of itself. But actual sex acts too early in their life can be detrimental in the long term, even if short term damaged isn't noticed immediately.

 

[maquiscat]

Men forced to pay child support are not raped children.

Sadly, you are wrong.

When Male Rape Victims Are Accountable for Child Support | Psychology Today

 

[ecofarm]

Sadly, you are wrong.

When Male Rape Victims Are Accountable for Child Support | Psychology Today

Sadly, that freak occurrence is not the claim to which I object.

 

[danielpalos]

That is one of the other hypocritical view. That as the victim, the boy would have to pay child support. It has happened already. There is the complaint that women should not have to suffer reminders of their rape for 18+ years, but for some reason, who cares if a male has to suffer that long for something not his fault?

It could be viewed as a form of restitution. There is a difference in the amount of child support from a person making five figure incomes versus six figure incomes.

 

[danielpalos]

Yes. The men are adults and can provide actual informed consent. A 13 year old cannot. I won't slut shame. Have as many lovers as you want as long as you are being safe (to include STI transmission reductions efforts), and don't lie about your activities to other you are involved in.

Should it also be socially acceptable for women to make appointments for full body massage with Happy ending and g-spot focus work merely to get to know me better and help me work on my Happy Camper policy. Women should be able to claim to want to be friends with us merely to help us practice. What guy could complain about that?

 

[danielpalos]

You're comparing grown men being held responsible for the support of their offspring and a raped child?

Men forced to pay child support are not raped children.

And we're not putting the rapist in charge of the victim for 6 years. That's sick.

It should only happen if a child is emancipated and now treated as an adult for civil purposes.

 

[calamity]

With the drinking, the parents are controlling the consumption, with, hopefully, the child's ability to opt out, i.e. they don't force them to drink. That doesn't mean that they have the ability to just choose for themselves. The same principle holds for candy and other consumable as well.

For sex, yes once up into 16 and 17, we start getting individuals who can make actual informed consent decisions, regardless of law. That doesn't mean a 13 year old can do so, regardless of how educated they are. I have nothing against sexual education in the abstract, at even earlier ages. I don't hold any issues with young kids seeing nudity in and of itself. But actual sex acts too early in their life can be detrimental in the long term, even if short term damaged isn't noticed immediately.

I noticed in the article describing this case that the boy's father confronted this crazy lady. It went about as expected. Thankfully, he taped the conversation which the cops then used to convict the nutjob.

 

[maquiscat]

Sadly, that freak occurrence is not the claim to which I object.

As a child he was raped. As a man he is forced to pay child support for the resultant child. That's exactly what you claimed. Maybe you need to flesh out that claim a little more to be more clear what you are talking about.

 

[maquiscat]

Should it also be socially acceptable for women to make appointments for full body massage with Happy ending and g-spot focus work merely to get to know me better and help me work on my Happy Camper policy. Women should be able to claim to want to be friends with us merely to help us practice. What guy could complain about that?

Again, adults. I'm one for eliminating laws against prostitution in and of itself, and if you are exchanging the massage for other things outside a business setting, then it isn't even prostitution.

I'm not sure why you are trying to use activities between adults as arguments as to what children should be allowed to do.

 

[maquiscat]

It should only happen if a child is emancipated and now treated as an adult for civil purposes.

I agree for the most part. That said a male, adult or child, should never be forced to pay child support for a child that resulted from his rape by a woman.

 

[maquiscat]

I noticed in the article describing this case that the boy's father confronted this crazy lady. It went about as expected. Thankfully, he taped the conversation which the cops then used to convict the nutjob.

Good for him. his child was raped, pure and simple. The boy was nowhere near an age where the ability to consent is variable. If this was a 16 or 17 year old, then we move more into statutory rape than actual rape.

 

[danielpalos]

Again, adults. I'm one for eliminating laws against prostitution in and of itself, and if you are exchanging the massage for other things outside a business setting, then it isn't even prostitution.

I'm not sure why you are trying to use activities between adults as arguments as to what children should be allowed to do.

Only for juridical purposes because it literally happens in real life. It should only happen if a child is emancipated and judged as an adult.

I am more for decriminalizing prostitution and providing for equality and equal protection of the laws for unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States. We should have no poverty or homeless problem in our first world economy. There is no provision for excuses in our federal doctrine.

 

[ecofarm]

As a child he was raped. As a man he is forced to pay child support for the resultant child. That's exactly what you claimed.

False.

 

[maquiscat]

Only for juridical purposes because it literally happens in real life. It should only happen if a child is emancipated and judged as an adult.

I am more for decriminalizing prostitution and providing for equality and equal protection of the laws for unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States. We should have no poverty or homeless problem in our first world economy. There is no provision for excuses in our federal doctrine.

Completely off topic. There are so many threads that could be made from this.

 

[calamity]

Good for him. his child was raped, pure and simple. The boy was nowhere near an age where the ability to consent is variable. If this was a 16 or 17 year old, then we move more into statutory rape than actual rape.

Whatever it was called, it cost the nut 20 years, min, since she was convicted of several felonies.

 

[maquiscat]

False.

you left out this part:

Maybe you need to flesh out that claim a little more to be more clear what you are talking about.

It is indeed what your words say. Whether that's what you want to convey or not is another issue. If you are incapable of expanding on your idea more and making it more clear, feel free to admit it. either directly, or by simply claiming you were clear to start with. My prediction is the later, despite that you were not clear.

 

[CLAX1911]

Pictures?

Are you asking me for child pornography?

 

[Court Jester]

Oh so even if they molest children women are victims.

13 year old boys are not in this context exactly "children". When my grandfather was 13 he worked full time and by 14 her was married. At 16 he was serving in the Army during WW1.

And yes, the female of our species has way more need for male attention and affirmation for their own self worth/identity. Males (including 13 boys) just want to put their genes into the gene pool, but the female needs something more than just the physical need to be fulfilled--- which is very likely what this young woman needed in this relationship.

What about a female student and a female teacher?

Females are different than men which is what I keep saying. The "needs" are different.

 

[Court Jester]

The law says differently insofar as the age of consent for both boys and girls is the same. You show a bias in your belief that a man attracted to a teenage girl is more predatory than a woman who finds a boy teen to be a hottie.

I have no bias, note I characterized this incident as a "birds and the bees" thing. Men and women are NOT the same, they each have different "programming" which plays into all of this.

Males are exponentially more likely to molest children--- especially young under puberty age children--- both male and female children. This is a FACT of life.

Not sure if you are a parent or not, but one thing you always teach your young children is that in a situation where they are lost or need the help of an adult who may be a stranger to ONLY seek out a woman for help---NEVER a man. Not that the vast majority of men would molest a child, but a far fewer percentage of women would----so there is a difference.

A couple of things struck me about this story and one of them is the personality of the boy's father. He is a foul-mouthed bully no longer living with the boy's mother. Had he not confronted his son after spying on him, this might have gone easier for the boy and his teacher. The kid was probably scared of the hairy oaf. Who knows what goes on in that home.

Secondly, at age 13 this boy was old to be in the 6th grade who are mostly 11 or just turning 12. So, we have a boy who has been retained at least once and might have had a learning disability. He might be a boy abused at home by a controlling bully of a father and having academic problems too. Perhaps his teacher saw the boy's vulnerability and was taken in by a lad who was socially and sexually precocious. See those many love notes.

I think you are reaching here. This specific incident is not all that unique. Many homes with perfectly harmonious family lives may have the very same thing happen with a male child and a "frisky" female teacher. Like I said, "birds & bees" and I think the biggest factor for this to happen is just opportunity for a 13 year old boy. MOST female teachers aren't willing, but the few who are present many opportunities for "success". Males and females attract. Social rules and laws prevent many underage encounters, but the "interest" is always present---sometimes all it needs is the right circumstances to happen.

Considering how it takes two to tango, especially when teenage hormones begin to rage, 20 years is excessive for helping a teenage boy have a jolly time now and again.

This I agree with. In most cases "justice" is less about dealing with the issue as it is for a DA or prosecutor to make a name for themselves. One of the worst things in our justice system is the fact that District Attorneys are political positions.

 

[maquiscat]

Not sure if you are a parent or not, but one thing you always teach your young children is that in a situation where they are lost or need the help of an adult who may be a stranger to ONLY seek out a woman for help---NEVER a man. Not that the vast majority of men would molest a child, but a far fewer percentage of women would----so there is a difference.

Maybe I am just too old, but we taught our children to seek out certain types of people. Police, Fire, teachers, store workers, etc. The news story aside, these people, male or female, are the least likely to cause harm to a child. No matter what group of adults we look at, we will find those among them who would harm a child.

 

[Court Jester]

Maybe I am just too old, but we taught our children to seek out certain types of people. Police, Fire, teachers, store workers, etc. The news story aside, these people, male or female, are the least likely to cause harm to a child. No matter what group of adults we look at, we will find those among them who would harm a child.

You are correct, police officers, firefighters and some others would be okay to seek out for help if a child is lost. But to assume a male teacher or store worker is necessarily better than a female adult is the point I am making. Cops will tell you the same thing; if a child is lost or needs the help of a "stranger" to go to a FEMALE stranger all things being equal. A male cop or male firefighter would be fine. But my comment is based on the statistics on pedophiles--- and men are exponentially more likely to be a pedophile than a woman---- I think that is pretty well known.

What I always taught my kids who may be alone and need help is to look for a woman, preferably one with children, and then ask that woman to CALL THE POLICE for them. I don't think that is bad advice.

 

[Jean-s]

I have no bias, note I characterized this incident as a "birds and the bees" thing. Men and women are NOT the same, they each have different "programming" which plays into all of this.

Males are exponentially more likely to molest children--- especially young under puberty age children--- both male and female children. This is a FACT of life.

Not sure if you are a parent or not, but one thing you always teach your young children is that in a situation where they are lost or need the help of an adult who may be a stranger to ONLY seek out a woman for help---NEVER a man. Not that the vast majority of men would molest a child, but a far fewer percentage of women would----so there is a difference.



I think you are reaching here. This specific incident is not all that unique. Many homes with perfectly harmonious family lives may have the very same thing happen with a male child and a "frisky" female teacher. Like I said, "birds & bees" and I think the biggest factor for this to happen is just opportunity for a 13 year old boy. MOST female teachers aren't willing, but the few who are present many opportunities for "success". Males and females attract. Social rules and laws prevent many underage encounters, but the "interest" is always present---sometimes all it needs is the right circumstances to happen.



This I agree with. In most cases "justice" is less about dealing with the issue as it is for a DA or prosecutor to make a name for themselves. One of the worst things in our justice system is the fact that District Attorneys are political positions.

Everyone reaches on limited data. Notice, I alone picked up on the obvious nasty personality of the father and I was also the only person to note the academic delay in the boy. You see, all I wanted to do was to expose the biases of the posters. ... including yours.

 

[maquiscat]

You are correct, police officers, firefighters and some others would be okay to seek out for help if a child is lost. But to assume a male teacher or store worker is necessarily better than a female adult is the point I am making. Cops will tell you the same thing; if a child is lost or needs the help of a "stranger" to go to a FEMALE stranger all things being equal. A male cop or male firefighter would be fine. But my comment is based on the statistics on pedophiles--- and men are exponentially more likely to be a pedophile than a woman---- I think that is pretty well known.

What I always taught my kids who may be alone and need help is to look for a woman, preferably one with children, and then ask that woman to CALL THE POLICE for them. I don't think that is bad advice.

First, I will always empathize a male teacher or store worker over a random female every time. Again, being the group they are and also on the job, they are exponentially less likely to molest, yet alone be a molester. All things being equal outside of knowing the profession, sure given current statistics, i won't disagree with your point, but I have to wonder. Given the extreme bias that we are seeing even here, are we getting an accurate number on female pedophiles (using the colloquial as opposed to the actual term)? Look at what VanceMack had to say.

Female on female...if seen as a 'supportive' sapphic loving...still wrong but can be not devastating.
Adult female on male...if seen as supportive is also 'natural' in that male female relationships are natural and often the boys stoke their own ego elevating them to an adult status. Its often (not always) accompanied by a 'story' from the female perpetrator implying she is a victim in other relationships, further stoking the ego of the victim as they see themselves as a savior.

This is giving a pass to female pedophiles, his caveats aside. Would such women actually get counted as child sexual molesters? I have to question how skewed the data is due to this preconception.

 

[CLAX1911]

13 year old boys are not in this context exactly "children".

so if a 13 year old boy is gay and decides to have sex with a male teacher that's cool right?

When my grandfather was 13 he worked full time and by 14 her was married. At 16 he was serving in the Army during WW1.

So what 200 years ago you could own people is it okay now because it was at one time?

And yes, the female of our species has way more need for male attention and affirmation for their own self worth/identity. Males (including 13 boys) just want to put their genes into the gene pool, but the female needs something more than just the physical need to be fulfilled--- which is very likely what this young woman needed in this relationship.

so you wouldn't see a problem with that 13 year old boy getting busy with this 45 year old football coach if he's gay?

Females are different than men which is what I keep saying. The "needs" are different.

You're because they're poor little fragile victims even when they molest children.

This is feminism 101.