Taking the Bible Literally -- Or Not [W:775]

[Hatuey]

Hogwash. You don't speak accurately for the Jewish faith. Never have. In fact, you don't even believe in the Jewish God.

First of all, which Messiah are you talking about - Messiah ben Joseph or Messiah ben David? There are two faces of the Messiah in Jewish literature and only Jesus matches up with both. So, which one are you talking about, Ramoss?

Second, there's a great many Jews who do believe in Jesus - Messianic Jews. And don't give me your disjointed nonsense that they aren't real Jews.

Third, here's the reasons the Jews who don't believe missed their Messiah:

Why Israel Missed its Messiah

https://righterreport.com/2014/02/11/why-israel-missed-its-messiah/

The overwhelming majority of Jews do not recognize Jesus as a messiah.

There is a tiny percentage that do - after 2K years of inquisitions, witch trials, discrimination, oven field trips, and conversion attempts by christians.

In short, the only people Jesus needed to convince remain completely unconvinced to this day.

Funny.

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[Hatuey]

I think you'll kick whatever's presented to you to the curb.

As for Gospel miracles, here's one that's documented.

The Sun Darkened at Noon

https://righterreport.com/2007/07/14/documenting-a-miracle/

I do not think you understand the difference between written down and something being true.

Blog posts are not proof of a miracle. You just admitted that miracles couldn't be proven.

How is this hard for you to get?

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[Logicman]

Boy oh boy, your sources are not very reliable, are they.
Now, you see, there is an issue you don't realize. The so call 'messianic' jews are not Jews. They are evangelistic Christians. Most of them don't even have Jewish.heritage .

In either case, Jesus does not qualify for either. To be the Moishe, one has to be a direct descendant from King David with an unbroken male line. That is what is meant by 'the seed of David'. Since, according to Christian myth, Jesus did not have a father, he is not of the unbroken male line from David (Leverite marriages and Mary's lineage does not matter one bit) So, on that piece of myth, Jesus is disqualified for being the Messiah for the Jews alone.

Now, Christians can believe all they want. It doesnt effect the Jewish religion at all. IT doesn't effect that the so called 'Messianic Jews' are not Jews. They can dress up and play all they want, but, well at the end, it's just like little kids playing cow boys and indians.

More nonsense.

The Messiah will be the Son of God.

https://owlcation.com/humanities/Did-the-Tanach-Promise-a-Divine-Messiah

 

[RAMOSS]

More nonsense.

The Messiah will be the Son of God.

https://owlcation.com/humanities/Did-the-Tanach-Promise-a-Divine-Messiah

We are all the sons and daughters of God, and Christian misrepresenting the Jewish scriptures doesn't change what the scriptures actually say.

A Chrisitan bible 'youth pastor' isn't going to cut it when it comes to understanding Judaism and the Jewish scriptures.

 

[Logicman]

I do not think you understand the difference between written down and something being true.

Blog posts are not proof of a miracle. You just admitted that miracles couldn't be proven.

How is this hard for you to get?

It's your problem not mine. Contemporary miracles have now been documented.

https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Credibility-New-Testament-Accounts/dp/0801039525

You need to keep up on your reading, which to me on theological issues you haven't even seriously begun.

 

[Logicman]

We are all the sons and daughters of God, and Christian misrepresenting the Jewish scriptures doesn't change what the scriptures actually say.

A Chrisitan bible 'youth pastor' isn't going to cut it when it comes to understanding Judaism and the Jewish scriptures.

You're still missing it.

 

[Hatuey]

It's your problem not mine. Contemporary miracles have now been documented.

https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Credibility-New-Testament-Accounts/dp/0801039525

You need to keep up on your reading, which to me on theological issues you haven't even seriously begun.

You really do not understand how the burden of proof works. If I say aliens exist, I must demonstrate the existence of an alien. The "proof" wouldn't boil down to 'ive read about aliens - so they exist'.

I could cite just as many books disproving claims of miracles.

I want you to know that you demonstrate time and time again that you do not understand the basic premises for making a case. You are here you are trying to confound the difference between something being written about and something being proven or demonstrated

Can you demonstrate a miracle?



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[Logicman]

The overwhelming majority of Jews do not recognize Jesus as a messiah.

The majority of Jews these days don't even believe their own Tanakh when it comes to the Messiah. Only 39% believe in the coming of a Messiah. Like you, the rest haven't done their homework either.

How Religious are Israeli Jews?

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[zyzygy]

You really do not understand how the burden of proof works. It isn't 'ive read about it - so it is so'. I could cite just as many books disproving claims of miracles.

Yet here you are trying to confound the difference between something being written about and something being demonstrated.



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I just turned water into wine. There you are, it's documented so it happened.

 

[Hatuey]

I just turned water into wine. There you are, it's documented so it happened.

It is now documented. I will repeat it: you turned water into wine.

And just like that, the claims of a 1st century zealot turning water to wine aren't special because they have documented and repeated by atheists without the assistance of a deity.

He doesn't get thats what his 'evidence' amounts to over a much larger scale of time.


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[Hatuey]

The majority of Jews these days don't even believe their own Tanakh when it comes to the Messiah. Only 39% believe in the coming of a Messiah. Like you, the rest haven't done their homework either.

How Religious are Israeli Jews?

Lol, if only they hung on to superstition and creationist myths like you do.

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[RAMOSS]

You're still missing it.

You can hold to that illusion.. but you are wrong

 

[RAMOSS]

It's your problem not mine. Contemporary miracles have now been documented.

https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Credibility-New-Testament-Accounts/dp/0801039525

You need to keep up on your reading, which to me on theological issues you haven't even seriously begun.

Of course, people accept all sorts of claims that are not true. That book fits the long list of apologistic writings that make claims about things being credible, but they aren't.

It helps sell books to the gullible and the insecure, but doesn't really convince anybody else.

 

[Logicman]

Lol, if only they hung on to superstition and creationist myths like you do.

You haven't done your homework.

 

[zyzygy]

Of course, people accept all sorts of claims that are not true. That book fits the long list of apologistic writings that make claims about things being credible, but they aren't.

It helps sell books to the gullible and the insecure, but doesn't really convince anybody else.

Nevertheless, by framing so much of his discussion in terms of “antisupernaturalism” and “dogma” and “ethnocentrism,” Keener sets up a straw man caricature of why secular biblical scholars and skeptics alike treat the miracles reported in the New Testament with caution. I think that the real reasons why people are skeptical of the New Testament accounts is far more nuanced and complicated than what Keener portrays to his reading audience of primarily evangelical Christians. I will be discussing more examples of this, as I move forward with this review.

https://celsus.blog/2015/12/30/revi...mplaints-about-the-bias-of-biblical-scholars/

 

[Hatuey]

You haven't done your homework.

You seem to think we are still in gradeschool. I will give you some help, when you complete a math problem, you have to show your proof - claiming the answer is a miracle gets you no points.

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