Sweden Democrats: Trump was right[W:55]

[Tanngrisnir]

Re: Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

Why are liberals trying so hard to defend rapes in Sweden? Is it because they want to pick apart anything Trump does? Or is it because they love third world criminals so much that they'll go to the ends of the Earth to defend them and give them handouts?

Or do they just feel the need to support rape.

Please cite any post from a liberal that 'supports rape'.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

 

[tres borrachos]

Re: Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

Please cite any post from a liberal that 'supports rape'.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

I'm kind of interested in seeing that myself. I'm no fan of Liberals, but I don't recall any of them supporting rape. On here or off this board.

 

[Sweden]

Re: Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

They are leaders of a minor far-right political party, of course they are going to push the narrative without providing real evidence.

Minor? SD - SverigeDemokraterna, The Swedish Democrats, lead the opinion polls. Here is one from yesterday:

Avpixlat

SD are a moderate centre left party in the Swedish mold. They are called 'far right' by their enemies and ignorant foreigners because they oppose further mass immigration.

 

[Carjosse]

Re: Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

Minor? SD - SverigeDemokraterna, The Swedish Democrats, lead the opinion polls. Here is one from yesterday:

Avpixlat

SD are a moderate centre left party in the Swedish mold. They are called 'far right' by their enemies and ignorant foreigners because they oppose further mass immigration.

Here is a poll of polls form three days ago:

 

[Gina]

Re: Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

Moderator's Warning:

Knock off the personal snarking. The topic isn't you all.

 

[Brewdog]

Re: Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

Please cite any post from a liberal that 'supports rape'.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

I didn't say they did. I was just asking why liberals are supporting rape in Sweden. It was a question, not a statement.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Re: Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

I didn't say they did. I was just asking why liberals are supporting rape in Sweden. It was a question, not a statement.

Oh, please.

OK, I'll rephrase it: please cite any evidence that 'liberals are trying so hard to defend rapes in Sweden'

Go ahead, I'll wait.

 

[Sweden]

Re: Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

You do know that the Democrats in Sweden are the far right conservatives, and are not at all like our Democrats. They are also vocally anti-immigrant. It's part of their platform.

You should also search their views on the "Homosex Lobby".

"You do know ..... " followed by a load of tripe. You have no idea what you are talking about. SD are anti mass migration, not anti immigrant. In the last Swedish election SD had more foreign born people on their party list than on the other parties put together.

SD is in no way conservative. It is a mild completely non-violent centre-left party. More Swedes who are members of Trade Unions vote SD than for any other party - and that includes the Social Democrats. SDs enemies call them 'far right' because they consider the enormous inward migration over the last decades to have been a disaster.

I'm Swedish, I live in Sweden and I think you would be best advised to stop pretending you know anything whatsoever about my country.

 

[tres borrachos]

Re: Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

Minor? SD - SverigeDemokraterna, The Swedish Democrats, lead the opinion polls. Here is one from yesterday:

Avpixlat

SD are a moderate centre left party in the Swedish mold. They are called 'far right' by their enemies and ignorant foreigners because they oppose further mass immigration.

Do you know what Sweden.se is? It's your country's publicly funded official website. They call the Swedish Democrats "far-right".

https://sweden.se/society/the-swedish-system-of-government/

By the way, so does every media outlet from the BBC to Israel Times to the Daily Mail.

Is your own country their enemy?

 

[tres borrachos]

Re: Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

"You do know ..... " followed by a load of tripe. You have no idea what you are talking about. SD are anti mass migration, not anti immigrant. In the last Swedish election SD had more foreign born people on their party list than on the other parties put together.

SD is in no way conservative. It is a mild completely non-violent centre-left party. More Swedes who are members of Trade Unions vote SD than for any other party - and that includes the Social Democrats. SDs enemies call them 'far right' because they consider the enormous inward migration over the last decades to have been a disaster.

I'm Swedish, I live in Sweden and I think you would be best advised to stop pretending you know anything whatsoever about my country.

I'm American and I live in America. So by your logic, you should stop posting about my country. But this thread isn't about me and the moderator asked us to stick to the topic and not discuss each other.

If you have some evidence from sources all over the world that they are not a far right organization, please post them. I just left you one, and can post more if you like. What media outlet do you prefer that everyone will know?

 

[tres borrachos]

Re: Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

I didn't say they did. I was just asking why liberals are supporting rape in Sweden. It was a question, not a statement.

I'll bite. Which liberals are supporting rape in Sweden?

 

[Year Zero]

How does this article prove anything "right" or "wrong"? I'm sorry, I just don't get it. Look, most European countries have multi-party systems as you know. Like in Finland we have about 5-8 parties that get most of the votes in any given election. About half of those would fall to the Republican side of the spectrum in the US, about half on the Dems side. Same thing in Sweden. The society is very similar in all Nordic countries. So now you have 2 guys from the very right end of the spectrum saying that they agree with Trump. Fine. They're perfectly withing their rights to do that. It's word against word. I have no access to the WSJ piece, only to the Fox one, but at least on that piece they're not providing any data to support their claim. Now I'm not saying that they're lying, I don't live in Sweden, I live "next door", just saying that when it's word against word, I find it's best not to commit my belief totally on either side. That would be just seeing what you want, which is tempting, but very misleading.

These guys are very much against immigration, so of course it's in their interest to paint a grave picture of the actual situation. Just as the other side, the one that is for immigration, tries to paint a very rosy picture. Are either one of them right? Could be, but I'm leaning towards not. The truth, as in most cases, is somewhere between the two.

 

[joG]

How does this article prove anything "right" or "wrong"? I'm sorry, I just don't get it. Look, most European countries have multi-party systems as you know. Like in Finland we have about 5-8 parties that get most of the votes in any given election. About half of those would fall to the Republican side of the spectrum in the US, about half on the Dems side. Same thing in Sweden. The society is very similar in all Nordic countries. So now you have 2 guys from the very right end of the spectrum saying that they agree with Trump. Fine. They're perfectly withing their rights to do that. It's word against word. I have no access to the WSJ piece, only to the Fox one, but at least on that piece they're not providing any data to support their claim. Now I'm not saying that they're lying, I don't live in Sweden, I live "next door", just saying that when it's word against word, I find it's best not to commit my belief totally on either side. That would be just seeing what you want, which is tempting, but very misleading.

These guys are very much against immigration, so of course it's in their interest to paint a grave picture of the actual situation. Just as the other side, the one that is for immigration, tries to paint a very rosy picture. Are either one of them right? Could be, but I'm leaning towards not. The truth, as in most cases, is somewhere between the two.

I usually look at the numbers to see how things stack up and saticefy the one or the other opinion.

 

[Fletch]

Re: Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

How would I know? I'm not in Sweden.

If a far left Congressman says "Obama is right", does that mean the matter is closed, and Obama is right? Or do you take what he says with a grain of salt because you already know he shares Obama's values?

I keep reading that the MSM hates Trump because they love Hillary. Did you believe them every time they said Hillary was right and Trump was wrong, or did you put aside their views as "Thanks for sharing, but we know you are completely on your side so your opinion really isn't relevant"?

I know what I did when partisans from either side spoke their minds. I read it, and then proceeded to ignore it, and wait for someone who I know wasn't far-(insert lean here) to speak up, or for some non-biased data to surface that I could look at.

Since you don't know the truth, dismissing out of hand the sources listed in the OP just because they are on the right is silly

 

[Moderate Right]

Re: Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

There have been a few wild accusations coming out of Trump's mouth which were later proven to be correct. They guy might do a lot of winging it but he does have instinct.

 

[tres borrachos]

Re: Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

Since you don't know the truth, dismissing out of hand the sources listed in the OP just because they are on the right is silly

Well, the topic isn't me, and I thought you'd want to answer the questions about how much credibility you give to sources that you know are in sync with the person whose message they're defending or rejecting. I guess not.

So anyway, back to the OP. I think it's interesting to hear from all sides, including people such as these two that share Trump's position on immigration. I've also been interested in hearing from others who say Trump's claims are not correct. There is going to be a piece, I believe again in the WSJ, from a Swedish official disputing what these two said. I'm sure everyone will be just as anxious to believe his side of things. I guess we'll have to see when you guys start those threads about his opinion.

Hope you have a great night.

 

[Brewdog]

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[poweRob]

Re: Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

Crybully much?

How very disgustingly dismissive and callous to the genuine concerns of your fellow man.

So your response to your fellow right winger playing a preemptive victim card is to play one yourself.

Classic move. :lol:

 

[Top Cat]

Re: Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

She destroyed nothing. All she did was attempt to destroy and smear the source--a source and a nation she knows absolutely nothing about.

It's a pity we cant all be as informed as you.

 

[Top Cat]

Re: Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

If I didn't know who the Swedish Democrats were, how did I know who they were?

C'mon Tres. Stop playing with obvious facts. That's unfair and unbalanced.

 

[Top Cat]

Re: Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

At least we called it. :lamo

I bet you can't guess what we predicted

 

[Top Cat]

Re: Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

I'll bite. Which liberals are supporting rape in Sweden?

Wtf? How does one get there?

 

[Winston]

Re: Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

Wtf? How does one get there?

lotta twists and turns down the dark corridors of conservative spin.

 

[Winston]

Re: Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

Wtf? How does one get there?

Muslims sexually assaulting white women, is like the carbon copy of the racial propaganda that conservatives used to sell Reefer Madness back in the 30's.

 

[MaggieD]

Re: Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

I bet you can't guess what we predicted

Sure can. You thought Hillary would win.