Survey: America wants stronger gun laws by huge margin

[haymarket]

Aren't those the same results of every survey after such an event?

Aren't those the same "benefits" claimed by the politicians after passing "gun control legislation" over the decades?

Those who mourn shall be comforted, we are told, but those who believe the government can stop crazy people from doing crazy things by way of legislation have a tenuous connection with reality. Life can be very cruel.

What passed gun legislation are you referring to?

 

[Kal'Stang]

So, not wanting people to take heavy weapons into the public to kill them is not level headed?

1: An AR-15 is not a heavy weapon. 2: It is already illegal for people to take ANY weapon into the public and kill them. So there's your level headedness.

People having a "natural right" to walk the streets and live their lives free from fear of being mowed down by a guy with an AR15 is not levelheaded?

If someone gets scared at the sight of a gun then that is their problem. While they may have a natural right to walk down the street, they do not have the natural right to force people doing something legal to stop doing that legal thing just because they can't keep crap where it belongs, in their body.

But, being able to buy guns and equipment that facilitate shooing up 500 people within 8 minutes IS levelheaded...

Nope; nothing wrong there.

Buying guns with the purpose of committing murder is already a crime. Doesn't matter if its 500 people, or one person. It's illegal.

 

[SirGareth]

The best way to keep guns out of criminal hands is to close the gun show loophole.

And you arrived at this conclusion by your own analysis and fully independent thinking ????

 

[ttwtt78640]

The best way to keep guns out of criminal hands is to close the gun show loophole.

Which bill is that, exactly?

 

[jet57]

How many people died in the Iraq war because Bush & Co. Lied? IE: Spoke. How many riots where people have died because of angry words incited the riot?

Dodge - dodge - dodge that point.

 

[jet57]

1: An AR-15 is not a heavy weapon. 2: It is already illegal for people to take ANY weapon into the public and kill them. So there's your level headedness.



If someone gets scared at the sight of a gun then that is their problem. While they may have a natural right to walk down the street, they do not have the natural right to force people doing something legal to stop doing that legal thing just because they can't keep crap where it belongs, in their body.



Buying guns with the purpose of committing murder is already a crime. Doesn't matter if its 500 people, or one person. It's illegal.

Avoid avoid avoid.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Dodge - dodge - dodge that point.

You asked, I answered. That you can't dispute it to the point that you attempt to claim that I'm dodging is proof that you have no real answer to it.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Avoid avoid avoid.

How is it that I'm avoiding? I answered your questions directly. Or are you attempting to claim that what I said was untrue? If so then you certainly do not know the law near as well as you claim.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I don't know how things work in other states, but in our state if someone is transferring the title of their car to anyone else, including friends or relatives, they have to report it to the DMV. It's not a huge burden. Not sure why this is any different.

The difference is that you must pay the state to own/operate a vehicle because that is a state issued privilege. How much do you pay to vote, to peacefully protest or to have a public defender assigned if you are charged with a crime? A key difference between an individual constitutional right and a mere state issued privilege is that a right is free and a mere state issued privilege bears a user fee. I pay about $60/year to keep a 5'x8' utility trailer tagged (for roadway use) yet nothing to keep my pistol - one is a (road use) privilege and the other is a constitutional right.

 

[iguanaman]

And that's what happens with certain freedoms, they can be abused. Why do we have cameras to record crimes? So we can catch the bad guy after the fact. Well same rules apply here.

So you admit that buying 50 guns is abusing the system so why not do something to stop it?
Catching someone AFTER he kills 17 schoolchildren is not solving anything. We need to keep guns away from criminals and the mentally unstable if we want to fix the problem.

 

[Chillfolks]

So you admit that buying 50 guns is abusing the system so why not do something to stop it?
Catching someone AFTER he kills 17 schoolchildren is not solving anything. We need to keep guns away from criminals and the mentally unstable if we want to fix the problem.

Without inferring upon law abiding citizens right to own. That is the problem that has to be overcome. What's more important the illusion of safety or the illusion of freedom?

 

[iguanaman]

The difference is that you must pay the state to own/operate a vehicle because that is a state issued privilege. How much do you pay to vote, to peacefully protest or to have a public defender assigned if you are charged with a crime? A key difference between an individual constitutional right and a mere state issued privilege is that a right is free and a mere state issued privilege bears a user fee. I pay about $60/year to keep a 5'x8' utility trailer tagged (for roadway use) yet nothing to keep my pistol - one is a (road use) privilege and the other is a constitutional right.

Just because it is a right does not mean it can't be regulated. We pass voting laws every day, isn't that a "Constitutional right"?

 

[lefty louie]

So you admit that buying 50 guns is abusing the system so why not do something to stop it?
Catching someone AFTER he kills 17 schoolchildren is not solving anything. We need to keep guns away from criminals and the mentally unstable if we want to fix the problem.

I did not say that, stop trying to make my words fit your agenda. Nothing wrong with buying 50 guns, the wrong part is selling them illegally. That is where abuse comes in.

Abortion is legal, if a woman had 50 abortions, is she abusing the system?

Oh the price of freedoms, don't allow the govt. to change that, the price in the end is even more dear.

 

[iguanaman]

Without inferring upon law abiding citizens right to own. That is the problem that has to be overcome. What's more important the illusion of safety or the illusion of freedom?

The "illusion" that more guns make us safer is what I want to deal with. If we don't stop that insanity we have no hope of ending the carnage. The idea that any 18 year old can buy 10 rifles and not even be asked what he wants them for has to change.

 

[iguanaman]

I did not say that, stop trying to make my words fit your agenda. Nothing wrong with buying 50 guns, the wrong part is selling them illegally. That is where abuse comes in.

Abortion is legal, if a woman had 50 abortions, is she abusing the system?

Oh the price of freedoms, don't allow the govt. to change that, the price in the end is even more dear.

Think a little. A person that buys 50 guns a month is obviously abusing the system and selling them illegally. Until we use our heads there will be no change. Abortions are between a woman and her doctor we have no reason to care how many she has.

 

[Strategery]

Think a little. A person that buys 50 guns a month is obviously abusing the system and selling them illegally. Until we use our heads there will be no change. Abortions are between a woman and her doctor we have no reason to care how many she has.

And the set of unique DNA, blood type, and heart beat of the unborn child. Don't forget the third affected party.

 

[Chillfolks]

The "illusion" that more guns make us safer is what I want to deal with. If we don't stop that insanity we have no hope of ending the carnage. The idea that any 18 year old can buy 10 rifles and not even be asked what he wants them for has to change.

I think a more important change would be once law enforcement is tipped off that their might be trouble they should investigate. Their was flags raised but the propper authorities ignored them. That part seems to be downplayed

 

[Strategery]

2015 Pew survey

Do you support an assault weapons ban?

18-29 year olds: 49%

30-49 year olds: 55%

50-64: 61%

65 and older: 63%

18 to 29 year olds lead the country in support for concealed carry according to 2015 Gallup poll at 66% which is a full 10 points higher than any other demographic.

Young people like guns and the days of gun control debates are coming to an end. All of the gun control proponents are old, washed up moral busy bodies.

 

[iguanaman]

And the set of unique DNA, blood type, and heart beat of the unborn child. Don't forget the third affected party.

I find it amusing that you profess to care about a fetus but born children who are shot to death are not worth a bit more effort when you want buy a gun. If you really gave a damn about lives you would want stricter gun laws. Anti-abortionists are all about punishing women because they are 2nd class citizens.

 

[Strategery]

Are women 2nd class citizens because they don't need to sign up for the draft to get government grants to go to college? Are they second class citizens because there are more women graduating from college than men? Are they second class citizens because they make up the vast minority of those killed in modern war? Are they second class citizens because single, childless, urban, women, out of college make 8% more than their male counterparts?

You are stepping a little too far on my view of gun control. I support banning bump stocks, Red Flag laws, and tighter federal backround checks. I have a conistent position. Liberals however, just repeat the same crap you just said and don't address the DNA, blood type, or head-beat evidence against late term abortions.

If you really cared about children you wouldn't be defending their murder. Meanwhile, no conservative has ever defended the murder of school children.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Just because it is a right does not mean it can't be regulated. We pass voting laws every day, isn't that a "Constitutional right"?

Yes, let's make owning a gun and casting a vote have identcial requirements.

 

[lefty louie]

Think a little. A person that buys 50 guns a month is obviously abusing the system and selling them illegally. Until we use our heads there will be no change. Abortions are between a woman and her doctor we have no reason to care how many she has.

I know guys that collect cars, they have 50 of them, I know guys that collect guitars, they have hundreds of them, I kow guys that collect guns, they have hundreds of them too, who are you to say what is abuse? It is a right or it isn't. Stop trying to force your opinion down our throats.

And don't insult me the "Think a little" comment, if you looked past the nose on your face you'd know we are far better off as a nation with our guns then perhaps China and their citizens are without guns? Anytime you want to live gun free, try China. I for one don't want the USA to become another China.

 

[Vox]

There are already restrictions on full auto weapons. So clearly that can’t be right. Try again.

The fact that the Oligarchs and their courts and their brainwashed gun-haters have managed to take away some rights doesn't change anything.

The Constitution is clear about our rights. It speaks of the military weapons carried by the military. No way around it.

 

[jaeger19]

yes - the tried and tested NRA position that always wins out in the end.

Because its logical.

 

[jaeger19]

Just because it is a right does not mean it can't be regulated. We pass voting laws every day, isn't that a "Constitutional right"?

And that should give you pause.

Lets see.... create an emotional problem that does not exist.. (Gun violence (guns are not violent and violent crime is actually way down) ... or voter fraud)
Then use this emotion to take away peoples freedom.... whether firearms... or the right to vote.
Simply to further a political agenda.