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Supreme Court rules for Colorado baker in same-sex wedding cake case[W:426, 1367]

Re: Supreme Court rules for Colorado baker in same-sex wedding cake case

*sigh*

You seriously do not know what you are talking about.

An artist can refuse to paint any painting he might find offensive.
a song writer can refuse to write a song that he might find offensive.

Creative expression has been ruled constitutional and protected by the 1A for decades in court after court ruling
no matter if the state or government finds that expression offensive or not.

No the Creator find certain types of marriage offensive.

see how dishonest you are?

he offered to sell them other stuff in the store he simply refused to make a wedding cake that would signal that he support
a marriage that he doesn't.

To bake a cake is to support the event at which the cake will be consumed? Yeah, ok.

just as a homosexual baker is free to not make a religious cake that they find offensive, and in fact they have declined to make
such cakes and it was found that they didn't discriminate.

Please provide your source.

therefore equal protection must apply.

That's the purpose of the AD laws that require bakers in CO to bake for people of all sexual orientations regardless of the source of the baker's discrimination. The 1A does not protect religious and other bigots from discriminating against protected classes of people.

which is one of the things the justices nailed the state on.

The state wasn't "nailed" on anything. The CCRC discriminated against the baker. The law that the baker doesn't like still stands and still applies to him and his bakery.

The court pushed for a more pluralist approach, noting both that “gay persons and gay couples cannot be treated as social outcasts or as inferior in dignity and worth,” and that “[a]t the same time, the religious and philosophical objections to gay marriage are protected views and in some instances protected forms of expression.”

The majority opinion not only left open the very distinct likelihood that custom-made wedding services with expressive functions would be protected under free speech doctrines, but also explicitly rejected blanket hostility of state actors to religious claims.

Symposium: And the winner is ? pluralism? - SCOTUSblog
 
Re: Supreme Court rules for Colorado baker in same-sex wedding cake case

Per the link in #652, the SCOTUS took considerable offense at the apparent anti-religious bias of Colorado officials.

And remedied it accordingly. The AD law still stands.
 
Re: Supreme Court rules for Colorado baker in same-sex wedding cake case

1.) I hereby dismiss your assertion that operating a business is a waver of rights.
2.) Bake it himself. He has no constitution right to a cake.
3.) If he was being denied housing it would be a different story.

1.) nobody said that but it is a business contract and YES you have to operate under those rules and LAWS like ALL OF US, nobody gets special treatment
2.) again with the dishonest and factually proven wrong "cake" strawman. But we do have a right to not be discriminated against.
3.) only in your opinion by law its basically the same in the places that protect sexual orientation.

Why do you not think sexual orientation is worthy of protection and those people are lessers? or are you against all PA/DA laws? or is it that you dont think there should be no equal or civil rights?
 
Re: Supreme Court rules for Colorado baker in same-sex wedding cake case

You banal insults add nothing, and likely you could offer no education in general, which is why you'll run away.

But you will not "make the world a livable place" by avoid Chick-fil-A, that's just a delusion of grandure.

Oh, but I do make the world a more livable place by keeping my money away from the Christian haters at Chick-fil-A.

Was that me running away?
 
Re: Supreme Court rules for Colorado baker in same-sex wedding cake case

Actually, you're the one with the brain-dead comment. You said most Americans are racist, at least 50+% have to be racist, which equals well over 150 million people. I'd just like to know, how did you determine its over 150 million Americans who are racist?? Did you ask all 150 million personally what their "racist" views are??

Because I said so.
 
Re: Supreme Court rules for Colorado baker in same-sex wedding cake case

Oh, but I do make the world a more livable place by keeping my money away from the Christian haters at Chick-fil-A.

Was that me running away?

There is no noticeable nor statistical difference in the quality of "livability" in the world by you avoiding Chick-fil-A.

Your inability to provide any "education" as to the discriminatory nature of Chick-fil-A is you running away.

But if you wish to continue with your delusions of grandure, then so be it. Pretend you're saving the world, one chicken sandwich at a time.

lol
 
Re: Supreme Court rules for Colorado baker in same-sex wedding cake case

Oh, but I do make the world a more livable place by keeping my money away from the Christian haters at Chick-fil-A.

Was that me running away?

your bigotry is noted.
 
Re: Supreme Court rules for Colorado baker in same-sex wedding cake case

There is no noticeable nor statistical difference in the quality of "livability" in the world by you avoiding Chick-fil-A.

Your inability to provide any "education" as to the discriminatory nature of Chick-fil-A is you running away.

But if you wish to continue with your delusions of grandure, then so be it. Pretend you're saving the world, one chicken sandwich at a time.

lol

it's ok.

Where i am working is not a lot of good places to eat but there is a chick fil a here.
I have probably eaten their almost every day.

their spicy chicken sandwich is amazing
 
Re: Supreme Court rules for Colorado baker in same-sex wedding cake case

Fine, could you point out where it says "this section supersedes Amendment One to the US Constitution" I can't seem to find it.

You must not know about the voluminous case law that exists to address your request.

https://www.cato.org/events/first-a...preview-masterpiece-cakeshop-v-colorado-civil

https://www.natlawreview.com/article/anti-discrimination-laws-and-first-amendment-rights

This one is especially good: Anti-discrimination Laws Don’t Burden Religious Freedom—They Secure It

Anti-discrimination Laws Don?t Burden Religious Freedom?They Secure It | Public Rights Private Conscience Project
 
Re: Supreme Court rules for Colorado baker in same-sex wedding cake case

Because I said so.

which has never been nor will it ever be any kind of argument.
congrats you lost.
 
Re: Supreme Court rules for Colorado baker in same-sex wedding cake case

Because I said so
In other words you pulled it out of your bigoted ass.

You said most Americans, so I have a feeling you meant at least 70 to 80%. If you meant less you probably wouldve said half of America.
This is a ridiculous statement. Yes there are many racists in the US (and Canada), but to say most are racist is beyond absurd
 
Re: Supreme Court rules for Colorado baker in same-sex wedding cake case

we know you don't understand the ruling otherwise you wouldn't be posting this stuff.

actually they can.
he is going to start selling wedding cakes again.

The reason he stopped was to get around CO law.

Now with the SCOTUS support he is going to start selling them again.
only this time the CO commissions can't discriminate against him or his
religious views.

Are you being serious? I really can't tell. It is illegal today, after the SCOTUS ruling for a baker who sells wedding cakes in CO to refuse to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple. Still. Wrap your head around that. If Phillips tries again, he will be sued again and I guarantee you that the CCRC will be more careful with its argument.
 
Re: Supreme Court rules for Colorado baker in same-sex wedding cake case

I hereby dismiss your assertion that operating a business is a waver of rights.

That is the stupidest thing you have posted so far. Liquor laws, noise ordinances, occupancy limits, health regulations, ADA requirements, operator licenses, elevator inspections, fire notifier statutes, and hundreds of other restrictions of rights apply to businesses. Unfortunately for your argument, anti-discrimination laws apply, too, no matter what bigoted excuse people imagine for themselves.

I'm pretty sure there's no constitutional right to have a dirty kitchen. You're trying to conflate public health with constitutional rights.

I'm explaining to you why people who volunteer to operate in the quasi-public realm agree to certain restrictions of their rights and free will. Where in the Constitution does a person have the right to keep a dirty kitchen or the obligation to keep a clean kitchen?

I don't but legislators could. There have been several attempts to do so, most get shouted down by the loony left because they're too reasonable.

Bake it himself. He has no constitution right to a cake. If he was being denied housing it would be a different story.

Now, seriously, how did you arrive there? Please explain your legal reasoning for arbitrarily differentiating between a cake and an apartment.
 
Re: Supreme Court rules for Colorado baker in same-sex wedding cake case

Because I said so.

:lamo
I love this decision. It makes the public responsible for deciding which businesses to use and which to not use.
AS IT SHOULD BE.

Contrary to the ultra-bigoted and ultra-fascist ideas of the quote above...
 
Re: Supreme Court rules for Colorado baker in same-sex wedding cake case

:lamo
I love this decision. It makes the public responsible for deciding which businesses to use and which to not use.
AS IT SHOULD BE.

Contrary to the ultra-bigoted and ultra-fascist ideas of the quote above...

no, it doesn't at all LMAO
nor should peoples equal and civil rights ever be handled that why
discrimination against sexual orientation is still illegal in Colorado and everywhere else in america that its protected by law :shrug:
 
Re: Supreme Court rules for Colorado baker in same-sex wedding cake case

To bake a cake is to support the event at which the cake will be consumed? Yeah, ok.

Your dishonest continue but then we knew that already.

Please provide your source.
Opinion analysis: Court rules (narrowly) for baker in same-sex-wedding-cake case [Updated] - SCOTUSblog

Moreover, Kennedy added, the commission’s treatment of Phillips’ religious objections was at odds with its rulings in the cases of bakers who refused to create cakes “with images that conveyed disapproval of same-sex marriage.”

That's the purpose of the AD laws that require bakers in CO to bake for people of all sexual orientations regardless of the source of the baker's discrimination. The 1A does not protect religious and other bigots from discriminating against protected classes of people.

So then you support punishing bakers that refuse to make religious cakes that they may disagree with?
you support punishing artists and or writers for not writing or singing something they disagree with?

PS the court disagrees with you.

On the one hand, society has recognized that “gay persons and gay couples cannot be treated as social outcasts or as inferior in dignity and worth,” and their rights are protected by the Constitution. On the other hand, “the religious and philosophical objections to gay marriage are protected views and in some instances protected forms of expression.”

Here, Kennedy wrote, Phillips “was entitled to a neutral decisionmaker who would give full and fair consideration to his religious objection as he sought to assert it in all of the circumstances in which this case was presented, considered, and decided.” Because he did not have such a proceeding, the court concluded, the commission’s order – which, among other things, required Phillips to sell same-sex couples wedding cakes or anything else that he would sell to opposite-sex couples and mandated remedial training and compliance reports – “must be set aside.”

hmm interesting you are wrong yet again.

The state wasn't "nailed" on anything. The CCRC discriminated against the baker. The law that the baker doesn't like still stands and still applies to him and his bakery.
Ol yes they were nailed.

Opinion analysis: Court rules (narrowly) for baker in same-sex-wedding-cake case [Updated] - SCOTUSblog

They were nailed on their discriminatory and bigoted view on religion and how they treated him.
The state cannot discriminate against ones religious views and those views must be considered no
matter how offensive the state thinks they might be.

Using strong language, Gorsuch emphasized that, in the United States, “the place of secular officials isn’t to sit in judgment of religious beliefs, but only to protect their free exercise. Just as it is the ‘proudest boast of our free speech jurisprudence’ that we protect speech that we hate, it must be the proudest boast of our free exercise jurisprudence that we protect religious beliefs that we find offensive.”

In Thomas’ view, Phillips’ creation of custom wedding cakes is exactly the kind of “expressive” conduct protected by the First Amendment. Requiring Phillips to make such cakes for same-sex marriage, even when it will convey a message that “he believes his faith forbids,” violates his First Amendment rights.

Thomas’ discussion of Phillips’ free-speech claim seemed to acknowledge this, with his observation that, “in future cases, the freedom of speech could be essential to preventing” the Supreme Court’s 2015 decision in Obergefell v. Hodges, recognizing a constitutional right to same-sex marriage, from being used to “portray everyone who does not” agree with that ruling “as bigoted and unentitled to express a different view.”

this last one is aimed at people with your mentality.
 
Re: Supreme Court rules for Colorado baker in same-sex wedding cake case

There is no noticeable nor statistical difference in the quality of "livability" in the world by you avoiding Chick-fil-A.

Your inability to provide any "education" as to the discriminatory nature of Chick-fil-A is you running away.

But if you wish to continue with your delusions of grandure, then so be it. Pretend you're saving the world, one chicken sandwich at a time.

lol

I am saving the world and will continue to do so. Thanks for all your heartfelt encouragment and positivity.

As I said, attempting to educate you will be a waste of time. Do it yourself. I'll give you a head start.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chick-fil-a/

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1683538

https://thinkprogress.org/chick-fil-a-still-anti-gay-970f079bf85/
 
Re: Supreme Court rules for Colorado baker in same-sex wedding cake case

Are you being serious? I really can't tell. It is illegal today, after the SCOTUS ruling for a baker who sells wedding cakes in CO to refuse to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple. Still. Wrap your head around that. If Phillips tries again, he will be sued again and I guarantee you that the CCRC will be more careful with its argument.

not really as they will be forced to take his religious views into place.
any targeting of him could be considered religious harassment as well which would invalidate their case.

again you should actually read the ruling not what you want to read.
 
Re: Supreme Court rules for Colorado baker in same-sex wedding cake case

Your dishonest continue but then we knew that already.


Opinion analysis: Court rules (narrowly) for baker in same-sex-wedding-cake case [Updated] - SCOTUSblog

Moreover, Kennedy added, the commission’s treatment of Phillips’ religious objections was at odds with its rulings in the cases of bakers who refused to create cakes “with images that conveyed disapproval of same-sex marriage.”



So then you support punishing bakers that refuse to make religious cakes that they may disagree with?
you support punishing artists and or writers for not writing or singing something they disagree with?

PS the court disagrees with you.

On the one hand, society has recognized that “gay persons and gay couples cannot be treated as social outcasts or as inferior in dignity and worth,” and their rights are protected by the Constitution. On the other hand, “the religious and philosophical objections to gay marriage are protected views and in some instances protected forms of expression.”

Here, Kennedy wrote, Phillips “was entitled to a neutral decisionmaker who would give full and fair consideration to his religious objection as he sought to assert it in all of the circumstances in which this case was presented, considered, and decided.” Because he did not have such a proceeding, the court concluded, the commission’s order – which, among other things, required Phillips to sell same-sex couples wedding cakes or anything else that he would sell to opposite-sex couples and mandated remedial training and compliance reports – “must be set aside.”

hmm interesting you are wrong yet again.


Ol yes they were nailed.

Opinion analysis: Court rules (narrowly) for baker in same-sex-wedding-cake case [Updated] - SCOTUSblog

They were nailed on their discriminatory and bigoted view on religion and how they treated him.
The state cannot discriminate against ones religious views and those views must be considered no
matter how offensive the state thinks they might be.

Using strong language, Gorsuch emphasized that, in the United States, “the place of secular officials isn’t to sit in judgment of religious beliefs, but only to protect their free exercise. Just as it is the ‘proudest boast of our free speech jurisprudence’ that we protect speech that we hate, it must be the proudest boast of our free exercise jurisprudence that we protect religious beliefs that we find offensive.”

In Thomas’ view, Phillips’ creation of custom wedding cakes is exactly the kind of “expressive” conduct protected by the First Amendment. Requiring Phillips to make such cakes for same-sex marriage, even when it will convey a message that “he believes his faith forbids,” violates his First Amendment rights.

Thomas’ discussion of Phillips’ free-speech claim seemed to acknowledge this, with his observation that, “in future cases, the freedom of speech could be essential to preventing” the Supreme Court’s 2015 decision in Obergefell v. Hodges, recognizing a constitutional right to same-sex marriage, from being used to “portray everyone who does not” agree with that ruling “as bigoted and unentitled to express a different view.”

this last one is aimed at people with your mentality.

Kennedy goes on to say that there are ways that the Commission could have ruled against Phillips, and for those other bakers, without the hostility towards Phillips' religious beliefs, and he would have agreed with them, and most likely not supported Phillips.
 
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which has never been nor will it ever be any kind of argument.
congrats you lost.

I don't recall asking you, but thanks for your perpetually worthless opinion.
 
Re: Supreme Court rules for Colorado baker in same-sex wedding cake case

In other words you pulled it out of your bigoted ass.

You said most Americans, so I have a feeling you meant at least 70 to 80%. If you meant less you probably wouldve said half of America.
This is a ridiculous statement. Yes there are many racists in the US (and Canada), but to say most are racist is beyond absurd

Well, they are.
 
Re: Supreme Court rules for Colorado baker in same-sex wedding cake case

its interesting how many people think a reference to a narrow ruling is number based and not scope based and how many people think the laws changed in Colorado.

they have not.

Its still illegal to discriminate against sexual orientation there.:shrug:

SCOTUS ruled on the states conduct not the law the law is still intact. SCOTUS felt the states conduct was improper when exacting the law/decision process

again a simple general example that was used earlier was if the baker was guiltily of theft but the state didnt follow legal procedure or coerced a confession out of him, so he gets off but theft is still illegal.
 
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