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Supreme Court backs parents seeking to opt their kids out of LGBTQ books in elementary schools

Loulit01 said:
LGBTQ people exist. They write books. If they're good books, there's no reason to ban them.
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Can you tell me a single LGBTQ book that you'd define as "bad" or at least "not good?"

I have no problem with acknowledging the existence of LGBT people, which is why I said this in the post you responded to:
Hello My Son said:
Citing that LGBT people or religions exist is one thing, but getting up at the podium and telling kids how to think, promoting one ideology over another, or actively shaming kids into saying/thinking certain things is a lot of things, but it's certainly not "education."
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The problem isn't with discussing their existence--the problem is defining what is versus is not appropriate content for a school setting. Content curation in children's libraries =/= banning books.
 
13eastxpharoh said:
I'm simply stating nobody should decide what's best for the children other than the ones who we can generally trust the most to make such decisions for their child, the parents. I believe if parents don't want their kids reading lgbtq books that is their decision.
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If we allow all parents to decide what is best for their kids, then i guess we can get rid of child protective services. After all, if I feel that I need to beat my child (physically) into submission, then the gov should NOt have a say. Is this what you are aiming for?
 
13eastxpharoh said:
I'm simply stating nobody should decide what's best for the children other than the ones who we can generally trust the most to make such decisions for their child, the parents. I believe if parents don't want their kids reading lgbtq books that is their decision.
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I suggest nonignorant, nonracist parents.
 
Hello My Son said:
Education is supposed to inform, not preach about and promote social agendas.

There isn't any reason for schools to be teaching about LGBT issues any more than schools should be teaching about the Bible, Torah, Koran, or any other religious text.

Citing that LGBT people or religions exist is one thing, but getting up at the podium and telling kids how to think, promoting one ideology over another, or actively shaming kids into saying/thinking certain things is a lot of things, but it's certainly not "education."
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It is.

"It seems to me that the regulative idea that we – we wet liberals, we heirs of the Enlightenment, we Socratists – most frequently use to criticize the conduct of various conversational partners is that of ‘needing education in order to outgrow their primitive fear, hatreds, and superstitions’. This is the concept the victorious Allied armies used when they set about re-educating the citizens of occupied Germany and Japan. It is also the one which was used by American schoolteachers who had read Dewey and were concerned to get students to think ‘scientifically’ and ‘rationally’ about such matters as the origin of the species and sexual behavior. It is a concept which I, like most Americans who teach humanities or social science classes in colleges and universities, invoke when we try to arrange things so that students who enter as bigoted, homophobic, religious fundamentalists will leave college with views more like our own...The fundamentalist parents of our fundamentalist students think that the entire “American liberal Establishment” is engaged in a conspiracy.

The parents have a point. Their point is that we liberal teachers no more feel in a symmetrical communication situation when we talk with bigots than do kindergarten teachers talking with their students. […] When we American college teachers encounter religious fundamentalists, we do not consider the possibility of reformulating our own practices of justification so as to give more weight to the authority of the Christian scriptures. Instead, we do our best to convince these students of the benefits of secularization. We assign first-person accounts of growing up homosexual to our homophobic students for the same reasons that German schoolteachers in the postwar period assigned The Diary of Anne Frank. The racist or fundamentalist parents of our students[…] will protest that these books are being jammed down their children’s throats. I cannot see how to reply to their charges without saying something like “There are credentials for admission to our democratic society […]. You have to be educated in order to be … a participant in our conversation … So we are going to go right on trying to discredit you in the eyes of your children, trying to strip your fundamentalist religious community of dignity, trying to make your views seem silly rather than discussable. We are not so inclusivist as to tolerate intolerance such as yours.”
-Richard Rorty, professor emeritus of philosophy and humanities at Stanford University, and former chair of the American Philosophical Association
 
Hello My Son said:
Education is supposed to inform, not preach about and promote social agendas.

There isn't any reason for schools to be teaching about LGBT issues any more than schools should be teaching about the Bible, Torah, Koran, or any other religious text.

Citing that LGBT people or religions exist is one thing, but getting up at the podium and telling kids how to think, promoting one ideology over another, or actively shaming kids into saying/thinking certain things is a lot of things, but it's certainly not "education."
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What are they "teaching" about LGBTQ issues?
 
madman said:
If you need an explanation, then stop being brainwashed by your religion. It's making people hate
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So you don't have an explanation. If you hold strong convictions that you cannot explain how is that any different from religious fanaticism?
 
Loulit01 said:
Education turns empty minds into open minds. That's why education is a libtard plot to make our children gay. And books, well, books are just evil.
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Let's say your kid's school has a lesson scheduled that promotes the beneficence of President Trump and tells kids to pressure parents into voting for Trump and that any anti-Trump beliefs held are wrong... do you want the option to opt your child out of that lesson?
 
Carjosse said:
Can’t wait for them to do the same with books featuring characters of different races citing wokeness and DEI.
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That's been happening too.
 
j brown's body said:
Imagine being a kid with gay family members watching classmates being led out of the classroom because their parents object to it.
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Why should they be concerned with what others think? Maybe they don't care about that like you.
 
j brown's body said:
Imagine being a kid with gay family members watching classmates being led out of the classroom because their parents object to it.
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Imagine being the kid led out, after his classmates’ parents explain to them it’s because his parents are hateful bigots.
 
Loulit01 said:
Education turns empty minds into open minds. That's why education is a libtard plot to make our children gay. And books, well, books are just evil.
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:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
VySky said:
It confirms the Constitution does not support little Johnny and Mary learning the joys of oral and anal sex in grade school.
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You are welcome to provide ANY source, ANY book at the grade school level that teaches such a thing.


And let us remind everyone that straight couples enjoy oral and anal sex also.
 
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