Students Confess Their Sins At ‘Masculinity Confession Booth’[W:40:56]

[TheGoverness]

On days like this, I fear Gunny Hathcock was right.

The who?

 

[calamity]

The who?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hathcock

 

[Goshin]

The who?

Mis-attribution, since corrected. It was another Marine, Chesty Puller.


He was a man of his time and so was the quote, not something most people would say in public these days.






On bad days I fear he may be proven correct in some sense.

 

[calamity]

Re: Students Confess Their Sins At ‘Masculinity Confession Booth’

1. So a man expecting sex in a culture where women freely give out sex makes the man an asshole?

2. A man getting drunk and doing dumb stuff like get into a fight makes him an asshole?

3. A man making a sexist joke makes him an asshole?

Seriously? :lol:

1. Yes. Just because she blows Joe doesn't means she wants to blow you. Sorry about your luck.

2. Yes. Does that really need to be explained?

3. See #2.

 

[calamity]

Mis-attribution, since corrected. It was another Marine, Chesty Puller.


He was a man of his time and so was the quote, not something most people would say in public these days.


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On bad days I fear he may be proven correct in some sense.

I actually preferred the sniper, who said: "I like shooting, and I love hunting. But I never did enjoy killing anybody. It's my job. If I don't get those bastards, then they're gonna kill a lot of these kids dressed up like Marines. That's the way I look at it."[37]

 

[Henrin]

Re: Students Confess Their Sins At ‘Masculinity Confession Booth’

1. Yes. Just because she blows Joe doesn't means she wants to blow you. Sorry about your luck.

So if a guy gets sex pretty much every first date it's an unreasonable expectation on his part to expect sex?

2. Yes. Does that really need to be explained?

Actually, yeah. I'm not even sure how a man getting into a fight makes him an asshole to be honest.

3. See #2.

So having some good fun with an inappropriate joke makes you an asshole? It's not like those jokes are intended to hurt anyone. Hell, sometimes guys aren't aware that they're sexist.

 

[calamity]

Re: Students Confess Their Sins At ‘Masculinity Confession Booth’

So if a guy gets sex pretty much every first date it's an unreasonable expectation on his part to expect sex?



Actually, yeah. I'm not even sure how a man getting into a fight makes him an asshole to be honest.



So having some good fun with an inappropriate joke makes you an asshole? It's not like those jokes are intended to hurt anyone. Hell, sometimes guys aren't aware that they're sexist.

Yes**3

 

[Henrin]

Re: Students Confess Their Sins At ‘Masculinity Confession Booth’

Yes**3

How is it unreasonable for guy to expect sex in a situation where he almost always gets sex? It just seems a little weird to me to promote a culture where women give out sex like candy and then get mad at men because they want candy.

How is getting into a fight make you an asshole?

How is telling a sexist joke that you're not aware is sexist make you an asshole?

 

[calamity]

Re: Students Confess Their Sins At ‘Masculinity Confession Booth’

How is it unreasonable for guy to expect sex in a situation where he almost always gets sex? It just seems a little weird to me to promote a culture where women give out sex like candy and then get mad at men because they want candy.

So, if a store occasionally hands out free candy, does that mean someone has a right to just grab some candy and stick it in his pocket?

How is getting into a fight make you an asshole?

How is telling a sexist joke that you're not aware is sexist make you an asshole?

I'll let you try to figure out what's wrong with those rather obvious anti-social behaviors yourself.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hathcock

Thanks for the link! What an interesting man!

 

[Henrin]

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So, if a store occasionally hands out free candy, does that mean someone has a right to just grab some candy and stick it in his pocket?

What now? If enough women give out sex carelessly then it will create a social expectation that will affect all women. This is in fact one of the arguments against slutty behavior that feminists ignored completely.

I'll let you try to figure out what's wrong with those rather obvious anti-social behaviors yourself.

Why not just explain it?

 

[calamity]

Re: Students Confess Their Sins At ‘Masculinity Confession Booth’

What now? If enough women give out sex carelessly then it will create a social expectation that will affect all women. This is in fact one of the arguments against slutty behavior that feminists ignored completely.

So, if 100 stores hand out free ****, you're going to go into the 101st store and start sticking stuff in your pocket? :roll:

Why not just explain it?

I like trying to make people think, often to no avail

 

[Henrin]

Re: Students Confess Their Sins At ‘Masculinity Confession Booth’

So, if 100 stores hand out free ****, you're going to go into the 101st store and start sticking stuff in your pocket? :roll:

No, I'm saying when a large enough percentage of a group of people pick up a certain behavior those groups affected by it will start to expect it. When that happens the people in the group not engaging in the behavior or not wanting to engage in the behavior will be expected to do so. This will in turn put pressure on those people not engaged in the behavior or desiring to engage in the behavior to pick up the behavior, and thus expand the behavior inside the group and grow the expectation for the behavior in those affected by it. One of the reasons slutty behavior in women is bad is because it will negatively impact the lives of women not desiring to engage in the behavior if it becomes to common.

I like trying to make people think, often to no avail

I believe I thought through it. :shrug:

 

[SCitizen]

Re: Students Confess Their Sins At ‘Masculinity Confession Booth’

How is it unreasonable for guy to expect sex in a situation where he almost always gets sex? It just seems a little weird to me to promote a culture where women give out sex like candy and then get mad at men because they want candy.

Generally Queens extend Favors to Knights, but Queens are not under obligation to extend Favors.

For example if a Knight posts 500 Curses against Rebellious MRAs on DP, he has a 90% chance of obtaining a Favor from one of the Queens. But he has no moral or legal right to expect a Favor.

Moreover, if a Queen who has extended a Favor to a Knight feels that the Knight was undeserving of that Favor, the Knight would be imprisoned for 20 years.

 

[calamity]

Re: Students Confess Their Sins At ‘Masculinity Confession Booth’

No, I'm saying when a large enough percentage of a group of people pick up a certain behavior those groups affected by it will start to expect it. When that happens the people in the group not engaging in the behavior or not wanting to engage in the behavior will be expected to do so. This will in turn put pressure on those people not engaged in the behavior or desiring to engage in the behavior to pick up the behavior, and thus expand the behavior inside the group and grow the expectation for the behavior in those affected by it. One of the reasons slutty behavior in women is bad is because it will negatively impact the lives of women not desiring to engage in the behavior if it becomes to common.

If the people in my town leave their doors unlocked, do you think you have a right to just walk into the home of anyone in town?

I believe I thought through it. :shrug:

Hardly

 

[calamity]

Re: Students Confess Their Sins At ‘Masculinity Confession Booth’

Generally Queens extend Favors to Knights, but Queens are not under obligation to extend Favors.

For example if a Knight posts 500 Curses against Rebellious MRAs on DP, he has a 90% chance of obtaining a Favor from one of the Queens. But he has no moral or legal right to expect a Favor.

Moreover, if a Queen who has extended a Favor to a Knight feels that the Knight was undeserving of that Favor, the Knight would be imprisoned for 20 years.

...or cut off their heads.

 

[Henrin]

Re: Students Confess Their Sins At ‘Masculinity Confession Booth’

If the people in my town leave their doors unlocked, do you think you have a right to just walk into the home of anyone in town?

I never said anything like that. Expecting behaviors because of trends is hardly the same thing as believing you have a right to something.

Hardly

You haven't shown otherwise.

 

[calamity]

Re: Students Confess Their Sins At ‘Masculinity Confession Booth’

I never said anything like that. Expecting behaviors because of trends is hardly the same thing as believing you have a right to something.

Think of what you just said, and now translate that to "believing you have a right" to sex just because some chick screws everyone else in town except you.

You haven't shown otherwise.

Oh, I certainly believe I have.

 

[Goshin]

Re: Students Confess Their Sins At ‘Masculinity Confession Booth’

So, if a store occasionally hands out free candy, does that mean someone has a right to just grab some candy and stick it in his pocket?



I'll let you try to figure out what's wrong with those rather obvious anti-social behaviors yourself.

I occasionally tell sexist jokes. Generally only to close friends (many female) who I know won't be offended and will understand that I don't AGREE with the joke, just that it is funny. Actually it's nice to have female friends you can say "Hey I heard a funny but sexist joke" and they say "Let's hear it". Everybody's too damn serious these days.

Getting into a fight or two used to be considered a normal part of growing up for young men and a learning experience.... not too long ago. Of course that was also when the concepts of 'honor' and 'a fair fight' could be spoken of without everyone laughing and assuming its a joke.


I've spoken with police trainers and military recruiters who tell me most of their incoming young recruits have never once been in a fight of any kind. In the context of our conversation they were shaking their heads at this and noting this lack of any experience with violence was a problem in many ways. For one thing, the police trainer worried that young rookie cops who'd never been in a fistfight would be more prone to go to guns too quick.



It was a learning experience. You learned something about dealing with violence, and you also tended to learn, eventually, that it wasn't worth it for any but the most serious of reasons.


Not saying it was all good, just that it wasn't all bad either.

 

[Goshin]

Re: Students Confess Their Sins At ‘Masculinity Confession Booth’

Generally Queens extend Favors to Knights, but Queens are not under obligation to extend Favors.

For example if a Knight posts 500 Curses against Rebellious MRAs on DP, he has a 90% chance of obtaining a Favor from one of the Queens. But he has no moral or legal right to expect a Favor.

Moreover, if a Queen who has extended a Favor to a Knight feels that the Knight was undeserving of that Favor, the Knight would be imprisoned for 20 years.

Uh....



Gamer reference of some sort?

 

[Hawkeye10]

Re: Students Confess Their Sins At ‘Masculinity Confession Booth’

I occasionally tell sexist jokes. Generally only to close friends (many female) who I know won't be offended and will understand that I don't AGREE with the joke, just that it is funny. Actually it's nice to have female friends you can say "Hey I heard a funny but sexist joke" and they say "Let's hear it". Everybody's too damn serious these days.

Getting into a fight or two used to be considered a normal part of growing up for young men and a learning experience.... not too long ago. Of course that was also when the concepts of 'honor' and 'a fair fight' could be spoken of without everyone laughing and assuming its a joke.


I've spoken with police trainers and military recruiters who tell me most of their incoming young recruits have never once been in a fight of any kind. In the context of our conversation they were shaking their heads at this and noting this lack of any experience with violence was a problem in many ways. For one thing, the police trainer worried that young rookie cops who'd never been in a fistfight would be more prone to go to guns too quick.



It was a learning experience. You learned something about dealing with violence, and you also tended to learn, eventually, that it wasn't worth it for any but the most serious of reasons.


Not saying it was all good, just that it wasn't all bad either.

There is such a thing as living "Too clean".

 

[calamity]

Re: Students Confess Their Sins At ‘Masculinity Confession Booth’

I occasionally tell sexist jokes. Generally only to close friends (many female) who I know won't be offended and will understand that I don't AGREE with the joke, just that it is funny. Actually it's nice to have female friends you can say "Hey I heard a funny but sexist joke" and they say "Let's hear it". Everybody's too damn serious these days.

Getting into a fight or two used to be considered a normal part of growing up for young men and a learning experience.... not too long ago. Of course that was also when the concepts of 'honor' and 'a fair fight' could be spoken of without everyone laughing and assuming its a joke.


I've spoken with police trainers and military recruiters who tell me most of their incoming young recruits have never once been in a fight of any kind. In the context of our conversation they were shaking their heads at this and noting this lack of any experience with violence was a problem in many ways. For one thing, the police trainer worried that young rookie cops who'd never been in a fistfight would be more prone to go to guns too quick.



It was a learning experience. You learned something about dealing with violence, and you also tended to learn, eventually, that it wasn't worth it for any but the most serious of reasons.


Not saying it was all good, just that it wasn't all bad either.

Times change. A fist fight now, probably ends up with someone catching a bullet. And, I would assume, most of us learned that some of those sexist jokes were offensive to those at the butt end of them.

 

[Master PO]

A university will be hosting a “Masculinity Confession Booth” along with a number of other workshops and screenings to combat “hypermasculinity.”

“We have all reinforced hypermasculinity one way or another regardless of our gender!!” explains the University of Regina event description. “Come and share your sins so we can begin to discuss how to identify and change our ways !!!”

The “Man Up Against Violence” initiative will be hosting these events at the University of Regina in Canada during the present week. Students Share Their Sins At 'Masculinity Confession Booth' | The Daily Caller

I'm not at all sure that I've reinforced "hypermasculinity," but it's said that confession is good for the soul, so maybe this one-off will spark similar "confession booths."

i am glad its not 1941

 

[Goshin]

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Times change. A fist fight now, probably ends up with someone catching a bullet. And, I would assume, most of us learned that some of those sexist jokes were offensive to those at the butt end of them.

As I said, there was a time when honor and giving a rival a fair fight meant something. Used to be rare for anyone to suffer worse than a black eye, split lip, maybe a broken tooth.

You learned things from it. One thing you learned was to watch your mouth, lest it break your nose.


And yeah things have changed. People are more likely to hold a grudge over a fight, get their friends to dogpile you, or resort to weapons. Pity. Sometimes I wonder if the way we've made fistfights between young men into some kind of Cardinal offense has removed a safety valve and made murders MORE likely among them.

One thing you learned was that win or lose, fighting hurts. If you were fighting someone roughly your size and experience, you weren't likely to go home unscathed. Even if you won, you probably hurt for a few days. After a while most people get tired of that and start finding other ways to solve problems.

It's a valuable lesson: don't ever assume you're going to engage in violence and come out whole without consequences, so don't engage in it unless you really have to.

Not something you learn from video games.


Granted, the old school of hard knocks was rough and not everyone survived it. Even in my day, incidents where someone pulled a knife or a gun and maybe used it were on the rise. Some young men were bullies and only picked on someone they knew was scared of them. Maybe things did need to change some.


I can't help but think though that a generation of young men that have largely grown up with zero experience in this regard is a little worrisome. Then there's the ones whose experience was seeing Uncle Germaine get gunned down from a passing car for wearing the wrong colors.... also not good.

 

[calamity]

Re: Students Confess Their Sins At ‘Masculinity Confession Booth’

As I said, there was a time when honor and giving a rival a fair fight meant something. Used to be rare for anyone to suffer worse than a black eye, split lip, maybe a broken tooth.

You learned things from it. One thing you learned was to watch your mouth, lest it break your nose.

Sure. Back in the day, some of my best friends came after one of us gave the other a black eye. Of course, that was when I was in my teens and younger.

And yeah things have changed. People are more likely to hold a grudge over a fight, get their friends to dogpile you, or resort to weapons. Pity. Sometimes I wonder if the way we've made fistfights between young men into some kind of Cardinal offense has removed a safety valve and made murders MORE likely among them.

One thing you learned was that win or lose, fighting hurts. If you were fighting someone roughly your size and experience, you weren't likely to go home unscathed. Even if you won, you probably hurt for a few days. After a while most people get tired of that and start finding other ways to solve problems.

It's a valuable lesson: don't ever assume you're going to engage in violence and come out whole without consequences, so don't engage in it unless you really have to.

Not something you learn from video games.


Granted, the old school of hard knocks was rough and not everyone survived it. Even in my day, incidents where someone pulled a knife or a gun and maybe used it were on the rise. Some young men were bullies and only picked on someone they knew was scared of them. Maybe things did need to change some.


I can't help but think though that a generation of young men that have largely grown up with zero experience in this regard is a little worrisome. Then there's the ones whose experience was seeing Uncle Germaine get gunned down from a passing car for wearing the wrong colors.... also not good.

My last physical confrontation came when I was in my twenties....and, only luck kept it from being a felony. So, there is always that to consider. Cops and judges frown on that stuff a lot more nowadays. Probably because the bodies started piling up.