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Stauffenberg was correct in trying to stop Hitler.

BitterPill said:
While it is difficult to know for sure:

[Claus] asked, “Can the church grant absolution to a murderer who has taken the life of a tyrant?” Ultimately, he felt that his conscience was clear, as he stated, “We took this challenge before our Lord and our conscience, and it must be done, because this man, Hitler, he is the ultimate evil.”​
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his devout Catholicism created quite an existential dilemma, and I think he made the right choice.

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Question: Though I wouldn’t have questioned the idea of taking Hitler out, would the evils he was responsible for have ceased, meaning was he solely responsible for them? Would other Nazis have sought peace with and withdrawn from the USSR and elsewhere, ended the Holocaust, etc.? Anyone know if the conspirators reveal their post-Adolf plans at trial or in other contexts?
 
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gman said:
Given the list of attendees I would imagine his body guards didn’t think it was possible.
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Yeah, I mean, he just smuggled in a bomb, after all.


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@Bodi

Keep given that cat an enema.

Lees
 
Bodi said:
Yeah, I mean, he just smuggled in a bomb, after all.


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Using his Briefcase was the most logical thing to use to put the guards at ease. Especially if he was to brief Hitler during the meeting, but I’m not sure he was supposed to.
 
The guy should have played the Sniper Elite games as they show loads of fun ways to kill Hitler.
 
Nickyjo said:
Question: Though I wouldn’t have questioned the idea of taking Hitler out, would the evils he was responsible for have ceased, meaning was he solely responsible for them? Would other Nazis have sought peace with and withdrawn from the USSR and elsewhere, ended the Holocaust, etc.? Anyone know if the conspirators reveal their post-Adolf plans at trial or in other contexts?
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Looked it up. Apparently they planned to negotiate a peace with the Allies to prevent total destruction of Germany.
 
Nickyjo said:
You are confusing one Axis power, Germany, with another, Japan. Kamikaze wasn’t Germans’ style.

Reminds me of an old story about when the idea of Kamikaze first was discussed. Room is full of pilots and the Japanese instructor speaks:
“The war is not going well, so here’s the plan that will turn things around. Your planes will be loaded with explosives, and you will approach the American fleet. You will choose a ship and head straight for it. You will crash into the ship and your plane will explode, sinking the vessel for the glory of the Emperor. Any questions?”

Little guy in the back of the room raises his hand.

“Are you out of your ****ing mind?”
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The way the Hitler youth were used toward the end of the war was basically as a suicide mission and cannon fodder.

“In his last public appearance, just ten days before his death, Adolf Hitler ventured out of his Berlin bunker on his 56th birthday into the Chancellery garden to decorate twelve-year-old Hitler Youths with Iron Crosses for their heroism in the defense of Berlin. The extraordinary event was captured on film and remains one of the most enduring images chronicling the collapse of Hitler's thousand-year Reich, as the tottering, senile-looking Führer is seen congratulating little boys staring at him with worshipful admiration. They were then sent back out into the streets to continue the hopeless fight.”
 
ataraxia said:
The way the Hitler youth were used toward the end of the war was basically as a suicide mission and cannon fodder.

“In his last public appearance, just ten days before his death, Adolf Hitler ventured out of his Berlin bunker on his 56th birthday into the Chancellery garden to decorate twelve-year-old Hitler Youths with Iron Crosses for their heroism in the defense of Berlin. The extraordinary event was captured on film and remains one of the most enduring images chronicling the collapse of Hitler's thousand-year Reich, as the tottering, senile-looking Führer is seen congratulating little boys staring at him with worshipful admiration. They were then sent back out into the streets to continue the hopeless fight.”
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Indeed I remember those scenes, with a sick Hitler’s hands trembling.
 
Lees said:
Sounds like a veiled threat to encourage someone to assassinate Trump. Just like with Comey.

My opinion.

Lees
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Wow

That one came out of no where
 
yankintx said:
Wow

That one came out of no where
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I don't see why. You hear the liberals and democrats constantly referring to Trump as facist or Nazi. Then @Bodi gives approval of the assassination attempt on Hitler citing it as 'justified' and 'morally defenseable'.

As I said, it sounded to me like a veiled threat to encourage others to do the same concerning Trump.

And Comey is not lost in the argument either.

Lees
 
Lees said:
I don't see why. You hear the liberals and democrats constantly referring to Trump as facist or Nazi. Then @Bodi gives approval of the assassination attempt on Hitler citing it as 'justified' and 'morally defenseable'.

As I said, it sounded to me like a veiled threat to encourage others to do the same concerning Trump.

And Comey is not lost in the argument either.

Lees
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Do you have anything of value to add to the thread besides crackpot theories?
 
BitterPill said:
While it is difficult to know for sure:

[Claus] asked, “Can the church grant absolution to a murderer who has taken the life of a tyrant?” Ultimately, he felt that his conscience was clear, as he stated, “We took this challenge before our Lord and our conscience, and it must be done, because this man, Hitler, he is the ultimate evil.”​
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his devout Catholicism created quite an existential dilemma, and I think he made the right choice.

https://www.missiodeicatholic.org/p/valkyrie-history-excluding-catholicism
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Very interesting, some would call it situational ethics, is there a place or time when one is justified in killing another?

My answer is, in this story, yes.
 
yankintx said:
Do you have anything of value to add to the thread besides crackpot theories?
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Not for you, as you add nothing of any value in your last two posts. When you have something, get back with me.

Lees
 
Lees said:
I don't see why. You hear the liberals and democrats constantly referring to Trump as facist or Nazi. Then @Bodi gives approval of the assassination attempt on Hitler citing it as 'justified' and 'morally defenseable'.

As I said, it sounded to me like a veiled threat to encourage others to do the same concerning Trump.

And Comey is not lost in the argument either.

Lees
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It would be ridiculous to refer to Trump as a Nazi, but as I have posted before, his style and rhetoric are clearly and unmistakably fascist.
 
Nickyjo said:
It would be ridiculous to refer to Trump as a Nazi, but as I have posted before, his style and rhetoric are clearly and unmistakably fascist.
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Making @Bodies post a possible veiled threat to encourage others to assassinate Trump. Much like Comey.

Lees
 
Just like Jules in pulp fiction, Hitler believed he was saved by divine intervention. It made him believe that God was on his side.
 
aociswundumho said:
Just like Jules in pulp fiction, Hitler believed he was saved by divine intervention. It made him believe that God was on his side.
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Loved that movie 🍿. Zed’s dead baby.
 
gman said:
Using his Briefcase was the most logical thing to use to put the guards at ease. Especially if he was to brief Hitler during the meeting, but I’m not sure he was supposed to.
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Regardless.... the briefcase would not arouse suspicion.

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aociswundumho said:
Just like Jules in pulp fiction, Hitler believed he was saved by divine intervention. It made him believe that God was on his side.
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If God exists he is on everybody's side...

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Bodi said:
If God exists he is on everybody's side...

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Does Vincent start suggesting that when they're having breakfast at the diner? I don't remember
 
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