Statutory Annual leave in 100s of other Nations but not in the United States

[Aristaeus]

That is not what I meant by "entitlement mentality." I would like to see everyone get paid vacations, but that isn't practical everywhere.

Can you explain why you think it's not practical to give every employee in the US paid vacation when every single country in the world has laws giving all employees the right to paid vacation?

Genuinely interested in why you think America can't do what every single country in the world can do.

 

[RetiredUSN]

well if it's socialistic to realize that a nation is the owner of it's own resources, then fine call me a socialist. But I think that rather misguided of you to do so. Since it's a factual observation. However since you've called me a socialist I must say,Thank You.

Individual workers do not belong to the government in the form of a assett.

Can the government dictate where a person will work?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Can you explain why you think it's not practical to give every employee in the US paid vacation when every single country in the world has laws giving all employees the right to paid vacation?

Genuinely interested in why you think America can't do what every single country in the world can do.

Every single contry does?

Really?

Does McDonald's in China give paid vacations?

Why should fast food places give paid vacations. They are not meant as career jobs.

Should people be content flipping burgers all their life?

If people are entitled to have everything from their job, what incentive is there to better one self?

 

[SirGareth]

So if human resources are within the realm of the commons ,then it is within the governments role to determine how those resources are utilized.

I see your point:

So if Zebras fly at 40,000 feet, then its well within the jurisdiction of Air Traffic Control to regulate their movements.

Thanks for your brilliant observation.

 

[SirGareth]

That is not what I meant by "entitlement mentality." I would like to see everyone get paid vacations, but that isn't practical everywhere.


I would disagree. Maybe you aren't, but that's not what it appears like.


Very few corporations get actual subsidies. They get tax breaks of several types, but it is improper to call those "subsidies." If you wish to be unbiased, use the proper words, instead of words incorrectly as hot button words.

Words have meaning, and the best respected people attempt to use them properly.

I believe in the supply and demand economics. Because of our combined free trade agreements and high corporate taxation, very few businesses have to compete for employees. The more competition to get skilled employees, the better benefits they get, and the better pay they receive.

Want to correct this injustice of wages and benefits... Get those damn free trade agreements disassembled and start tariffing the hell out of products we can manufacture.

US corporations trying to compete in the world market have a very difficult time doing so, partially because we tax production and they tax consumption, without protecting trade.

We allow politicians to lie to us all the time because too many Americans are stupid lazy and ignorant: perfect socialist fodder.

When the treasury (taxpayers) gives $10,000 a year to people who paid no taxes at all, we let these A-holes call it a "refund" Don't you have to first "fund" in order to get a "RE-Fund"

When Exxon bids on a oil lease for $100,000,000 that no one bought when offered at $110,000,000 they were said to be given a $10,000,000 "subsidy" Similarly when you have to drop the price on your overpriced house by $10,000 bucks you just "subsidized" the buyer.

When illegals are required to file for back taxes and find they get a $10,000 "refund" for each of the 20 years that paid no taxes at all, this is said to be "paying a penalty"

 

[Aristaeus]

Every single contry does?

Really?

Does McDonald's in China give paid vacations?

Why should fast food places give paid vacations. They are not meant as career jobs.

Should people be content flipping burgers all their life?

If people are entitled to have everything from their job, what incentive is there to better one self?

Yes, McDonalds employees in China get paid leave. America is the only country in the world which doesn't have paid vacation as a legal right for employees.

Rhe incentive is better pay and more job satisfaction. Why do you think low paid workers shouldn't be entitled to paid leave?

Do you think employees in other countries aren't incentivised to get a better job because they get paid leave?

 

[Lord of Planar]

We allow politicians to lie to us all the time because too many Americans are stupid lazy and ignorant: perfect socialist fodder.

When the treasury (taxpayers) gives $10,000 a year to people who paid no taxes at all, we let these A-holes call it a "refund" Don't you have to first "fund" in order to get a "RE-Fund"

When Exxon bids on a oil lease for $100,000,000 that no one bought when offered at $110,000,000 they were said to be given a $10,000,000 "subsidy" Similarly when you have to drop the price on your overpriced house by $10,000 bucks you just "subsidized" the buyer.

When illegals are required to file for back taxes and find they get a $10,000 "refund" for each of the 20 years that paid no taxes at all, this is said to be "paying a penalty"

I guess if you like to use words incorrectly...

I try to be better than that. I'm sorry you don't.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Yes, McDonalds employees in China get paid leave.

Link please. I don't believe you.

America is the only country in the world which doesn't have paid vacation as a legal right for employees.

This is a false statement.

Is this normal for you?

Rhe incentive is better pay and more job satisfaction. Why do you think low paid workers shouldn't be entitled to paid leave?

I don't believe anyone should be simply "entitled." If you don't like the job benefits, find a better job!

Do you think employees in other countries aren't incentivised to get a better job because they get paid leave?

There are several factors. Is this the limitation of your critical thinking?

 

[Aristaeus]

Link please. I don't believe you.

The duration of the annual leave entitlement is: (a) 5 days for employees who have accumulatively worked for 1–10 years; (b) 10 days for employees who have accumulatively worked for 10–20 years; and (c) 15 days for employees who have accumulatively worked for more than 20 years. Employers who offer more vacation time are legally obligated to grant it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country

 

[bmr528]

Yes, McDonalds employees in China get paid leave. America is the only country in the world which doesn't have paid vacation as a legal right for employees.

Rhe incentive is better pay and more job satisfaction. Why do you think low paid workers shouldn't be entitled to paid leave?

Do you think employees in other countries aren't incentivised to get a better job because they get paid leave?

Well,, In 2012 the average "McWage" in China was .81$ per hour.. I think I would be more concerned about that than whether I had guaranteed vacation every year.

https://econlife.com/2012/05/mcwages-around-the-world/

Sorry could not find current wages,, Did not feel that motivated to spend any more time on this.

djl

 

[ttwtt78640]

Every single contry does?

Really?

Does McDonald's in China give paid vacations?

Why should fast food places give paid vacations. They are not meant as career jobs.

Should people be content flipping burgers all their life?

If people are entitled to have everything from their job, what incentive is there to better one self?

Paid leave is not the wonderous benefit that many make it out to be. A full time worker, 5 days/week for 52 weeks, works 260 days/year. Granting that worker 10 paid holidays and 10 vacation/sick days (20 days/year) of paid time off is less valuable than an 8% base pay raise.

At $10/hour ($80/day for an 8 hour workday) that 20 paid days off per year is worth about the same as a $0.77/hour raise in base pay (and getting no pay for days not worked). Many $10/hour employees would be jump for joy if granted two weeks of paid vaction/sick leave rather than being given a pay raise to $11/hour. I call these folks mathematically challenged - the $1/hour raise is $320 more per year in your pocket even if you took 20 unpaid days off. At $11/hour you could take 23 days per year off (with no pay) and still have a bit more annual income than one with 20 days of paid leave per year yet works for $10/hour.

 

[jonny5]

The government ,any government has the right to choose statutory guidelines about anything. I America the People have some leverage within the government via our vote. In other nations not so. Yet even in dictatorial nations we see that they value their human resource and have enacted statutory annual time off. The United States have enacted other controls on how corporate employers may interact with their employees, such as OSHA, the 40 hour work week, and the minimum wage. You see it is the right of the government to choose to protect their human resource. Even though in other countries their governments have mandated minimum time off statutorily, corporations don't run away. They still do business there.

No, in the US we have restrictions on govt. They cant choose statutory guidelines about anything unless we allow it. They can only protect their human resource in the way that we allow. All rights and resources belong to the individuals. We only loan govt some power to protect them.

 

[SirGareth]

Yes, McDonalds employees in China get paid leave. America is the only country in the world which doesn't have paid vacation as a legal right for employees.

Rhe incentive is better pay and more job satisfaction. Why do you think low paid workers shouldn't be entitled to paid leave?

Do you think employees in other countries aren't incentivised to get a better job because they get paid leave?

Hey Afghanistan has 35 days of paid time off (how much pay is left unsaid) why don't all the socialists pack up and move to Kabul?

 

[Lord of Planar]

The duration of the annual leave entitlement is: (a) 5 days for employees who have accumulatively worked for 1–10 years; (b) 10 days for employees who have accumulatively worked for 10–20 years; and (c) 15 days for employees who have accumulatively worked for more than 20 years. Employers who offer more vacation time are legally obligated to grant it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country

That is interesting. I wonder if it is real or propaganda...

 

[Aristaeus]

That is interesting. I wonder if it is real or propaganda...

Oh ffs. Of course it's real. Paid vacation is seen as so obvious in the rest of the world that people don't even think about it.

 

[Aristaeus]

Hey Afghanistan has 35 days of paid time off (how much pay is left unsaid) why don't all the socialists pack up and move to Kabul?

Why would they? Most industrialised nations have around 30-35 paid days off including public holidays. Why would I move from the UK to Afghanistan just for an extra 5 days??

 

[jonny5]

Why would they? Most industrialised nations have around 30-35 paid days off including public holidays. Why would I move from the UK to Afghanistan just for an extra 5 days??

Apparently those extra 5 days are when people turn to terrorism. We should probably have less if we care about the children. More work, less terrorists, I say.

 

[joG]

You may have a fair point with that comment. It think it is fair to say that a vast concentration of wealth in the hands of a few can lead to governmental corruption which lessen controls that are needed to advert such a spectacle. There are historic correlations between the vast concentration of wealth and financial collapse. Mind you that there is a difference between a correlation and a cause, although the two can be one in the same. A country's wealth is a measure of it's Gross Domestic Product. Money is a means of exchange it's not the actual wealth. So when hedge fund managers who do not produce anything that resembles wealth in terms of a product, and they end up being rewarded by society in such lavished terms and people who actually produce items that benefit society are marginalized ,then the society is heading in the wrong direction.

I use this analogy to demonstrate that point : If your car was very old and you found yourself in the wilderness of the Alaskan Artic, who would you want to be with you, a Hedge Fund Manager or a Mechanic? You see, it is us who produce the wealth of a nation. Not the Bankers or Hedge Fund managers or even the politicians. They are all like Tits on a Bull. Who needs them?

You are right. Facing a grizzly in the Alaskan Arctic out back it is definitely the indigenous warrior you want or a Great White Hunter of a past age at your side and not the hedge fund manager.

That is not to say that the function of that manager is less important in the complex drudgery of economic allocation of limited, rare and precious resources and reallotment of risk. That is, after all, what hedge funds and banks are about, economically speaking. Their speculation fulfills a definitively essential function that makes the economy much more efficient. They accept and rearrange risks that other participants in the economy do not want to hold. The other main function they hold is arbitrage. By speculating commodities like Euros, oil or interest rates they nudge the prices to conform with the market and reduce spreads. This has slashed the risks and transaction costs for producers that buy or sell goods for production or trade and hedge against price change or default risk.

 

[joG]

i don't see a good reason that workers in the US should have less benefits than the rest of the first world.

Which benefits do you mean? Time off? Health insurance?

 

[Helix]

Which benefits do you mean? Time off? Health insurance?

yes, though i don't think that health insurance should be tied to specific employment. that should be a public service paid for by taxes.

 

[Thumper39]

I honestly dont know what I would do with that much time off. My wife has to convince me to take the full 3 weeks I have. Last year I sold two weeks back.

 

[Lord of Planar]

yes, though i don't think that health insurance should be tied to specific employment. that should be a public service paid for by taxes.

I'm OK with basic health care, but not the expenses caused by ones own disregard for their body.

Should we pay for heart surgeries for those who have been instrumental in their own heart disease?

Have basic care, plus insurance for beyond basic needs.

 

[Helix]

I'm OK with basic health care, but not the expenses caused by ones own disregard for their body.

i support guaranteed basic care, but the condition that you put on your support could be used to deny anyone care, so i don't agree with that. either way, the way it stands now, we have universal health care being delivered at emergency rooms, which is extremely inefficient and expensive. we can do better.

Should we pay for heart surgeries for those who have been instrumental in their own heart disease?

of course. for example, eating meat causes heart disease. i don't support denying lifesaving surgery to meat eaters.

Have basic care, plus insurance for beyond basic needs.

my guess is that our eventual solution will look something like what you're describing. it's not exactly what i prefer, but it will at least be a step in the right direction, IMO.

 

[Lord of Planar]

i support guaranteed basic care, but the condition that you put on your support could be used to deny anyone care, so i don't agree with that. either way, the way it stands now, we have universal health care being delivered at emergency rooms, which is extremely inefficient and expensive. we can do better.

Why should we pay for other people's disregard for the costs?

of course. for example, eating meat causes heart disease. i don't support denying lifesaving surgery to meat eaters.

This is where blood samples come into play for triglycerides, and other indicators of how someone treats their body.

my guess is that our eventual solution will look something like what you're describing. it's not exactly what i prefer, but it will at least be a step in the right direction, IMO.

There is no perfect solution. To maintain the level of care available here is too costly without changing tort laws and removing many regulations.

Have to sacrifice some things for universal care, else pay so much more than we do now.

 

[Rich123]

That is not what I meant by "entitlement mentality." I would like to see everyone get paid vacations, but that isn't practical everywhere.


I would disagree. Maybe you aren't, but that's not what it appears like.


Very few corporations get actual subsidies. They get tax breaks of several types, but it is improper to call those "subsidies." If you wish to be unbiased, use the proper words, instead of words incorrectly as hot button words.

Words have meaning, and the best respected people attempt to use them properly.

I believe in the supply and demand economics. Because of our combined free trade agreements and high corporate taxation, very few businesses have to compete for employees. The more competition to get skilled employees, the better benefits they get, and the better pay they receive.

Want to correct this injustice of wages and benefits... Get those damn free trade agreements disassembled and start tariffing the hell out of products we can manufacture.

US corporations trying to compete in the world market have a very difficult time doing so, partially because we tax production and they tax consumption, without protecting trade.

Well sir acording to the Kato Institute a libertarian think tank, in 2006 there were 92 billion in subsidies to corporation. I don't know exactly how we can be in a global economy and not have some type of trade agreements. I therefore think these trade agreements might be necessary but some of the items might need to be renegotiated. For instance I am aware that if a foreign corporation was doing a business in the United States and they poluted a river. As a result our environmental laws required them to clean up their mess but perhaps the trade agreement might have a different position on that subject, I think the trade agreement would prevail. That is a ficticous scenario but I think there are times where the trade agreements rules over rule our sovereign laws. I don't think I'm wrong in that assumption but I could be. Never really studied the subject but what comes to mind is a story like dateline that highlighted that once some time ago. If I am right I would like to see our sovereign laws in our own country rule the day.