• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Spacey Replaced By Plummer

Hawkeye10 said:
How does cutting Spacey out at this late date, chopping up the movie and almost certainly degrading the quality of the movie, help anyone?
That the overly squeamish dont need to look at Spacey on the screen does not count as a benefit, as I would rather they got over their problem.
Click to expand...
You aren't looking at this from the perspective of the people who actually have skin in the game, you're just armchair quarterbacking.

They cannot risk losing their entire investment by including Kevin Spacey right now, if anyone in the chain pulls the plug if they try to go forward, they are screwed AND they look bad for promoting Kevin Spacey.
It is good for their shareholders, and the others who depend on the success of that movie, and their reputations, for them to be conservative with that investment.

Celebrity magnifies things.
Business is always risk averse.

Combine those two thinks Hawkeye10, and you get a dramatically, high profile, risk adverse response. To you and me, it looks like over-reaction, I get that feeling on some of these things too. But we don't have millions and our corporate future riding on it either.

Also, you can thank Trump for part of this. To a degree, this is a response to Trump's ***** grabbing presidency. It's like a collective rebuke of it...one of our own grabbed a (crotch?) say your good-byes. It's pointing out what they believe Republicans should have done with Trump. Setting a good example and all. Not your cup of tea, but it this is a unique time with Trump's overall deplorable behavior seeming for a moment to resonate with a large part of our population (down to some 30%ish we hope). That's just a guess though and would only be part of it...

Kevin Spacey knew that celebrity, fame and fortune, puts one in the spotlight, he's not net-suffering as a result of his successful career in the industry. That he fizzled out at the end due to what appears to be a pivotal moment in our culture, is tragic on a personal level for him, but it's definitely not tragic for our nation, our culture, or all the other stakeholders that invested in seeing that movie sell tickets.
 
Last edited:
Abbazorkzog said:
I used to be a House of Cards and Spacey fan, but not after this. It really sucks that this is the day and age we live in, when fantasy and our retreat from reality has become usurped by the decadence of our time. What a shame. So pissed.
Click to expand...

Hopefully the whole Spacey/Weinstein/Sheen revelations will clean out some of the sludge of Hollywood.
 
OlNate said:
I'm going to be weird and unpopular for a sec, maybe even controversial. First, I think what Spacey did was deplorable and should be condemned without reservation.

That said, I never think of the actors as themselves when I enjoy them on screen - I mean, if liking actors for who they are in real life were a prerequisite, how many would we have left?

I haven't watched Spacey since this whole thing broke, so I'm not 100% sure how I'll feel the next time I see him in something, but at this point I still like the movie The Usual Suspects, and I'd still watch another season of House of Cards. He is a ****ty person, but a good actor. I'm probably wrong minded, but that's how I appear to be landing at the moment... Weird spot to be in.
Click to expand...

...You know, this post helps a lot more than I thought it would. Still doesn't change the fact that House of Cards is done for, and Spacey can go **** himself.
 
I think Kevin Spacey's career is finished. He's only 58 years old.
 
Last edited:
ecofarm said:
He was a supporting actor. I wonder how many minutes of screen time is being redone. Anyway, good for them.
Click to expand...

No one has established if Spacey did the things he's accused of doing. The assumption of innocence is tantamount to a fair judicial process. By agreeing that he should be punished before it's ever established that he did anything wrong, you are joining the mentality of those, like the old KKK, who lynched blacks just because a white person pointed a finger in their general direction.

Throwback.
 
HowardBThiname said:
No one has established if Spacey did the things he's accused of doing. The assumption of innocence is tantamount to a fair judicial process. By agreeing that he should be punished before it's ever established that he did anything wrong, you are joining the mentality of those, like the old KKK, who lynched blacks just because a white person pointed a finger in their general direction.

Throwback.
Click to expand...

It's not a court. People are free to act in prudence and I applaud it.

Comparing the protecting of one's business and reputation to the KKK is telling.
 
ecofarm said:
It's not a court. People are free to act in prudence and I applaud it.

Comparing the protecting of one's business and reputation to the KKK is telling.
Click to expand...

I wasn't comparing any "protecting of one's business," but rather your cheering for the punishment of someone who was accused, but not convicted. And yes, that's KKK mentality.
 
HowardBThiname said:
I wasn't comparing any "protecting of one's business," but rather your cheering for the punishment of someone who was accused, but not convicted. And yes, that's KKK mentality.
Click to expand...

I'm cheering for a company standing up for its reputation, exercising their right to free speech and disassociating with those damaging their reputation and livelihood.

You're against a business firing someone in the interest of their image, but let me guess... you support a business refusing service (and employment) to black people.

Your constant reference to the KKK, in attempt to minimize and apologize for the organization, is telling.
 
ecofarm said:
I'm cheering for a company standing up for its reputation, exercising their right to free speech and disassociating with those damaging their reputation and livelihood.
Click to expand...

Imagine if we were to apply that to elected government officials as well.
 
ecofarm said:
I'm cheering for a company standing up for its reputation, exercising their right to free speech and disassociating with those damaging their reputation and livelihood.

You're against a business firing someone in the interest of their image, but let me guess... you support a business refusing service (and employment) to black people.

Your constant reference to the KKK, in attempt to minimize and apologize for the organization, is telling.
Click to expand...

You're just digging a deeper hole for yourself. You're also already on record as having labeled Moore a pedophile, although he's denied all charges.

You shy away from the KKK association, but they did the very same thing -- the little white girl pointed out a black man and her uncles lynched him - and then justified their horrific behavior by saying that it seemed as though she was telling the truth.

No one "cheers" for a business firing someone who hasn't been proved guilty of anything unless that someone has a lot of hatred in their heart.

Don't talk to me about making KKK associations - - they're are very strong and clear in this instance.
 
HowardBThiname said:
You're just digging a deeper hole for yourself. You're also already on record as having labeled Moore a pedophile, although he's denied all charges.
Click to expand...

Lie.

You shy away from the KKK association, but they did the very same thing -- the little white girl pointed out a black man and her uncles lynched him - and then justified their horrific behavior by saying that it seemed as though she was telling the truth.
Click to expand...

No one is being killed. Why are you minimizing the KKK?

No one "cheers" for a business firing someone who hasn't been proved guilty of anything unless that someone has a lot of hatred in their heart.
Click to expand...

What crybaby snowflake tears. Companies fire people for arrest and other events detrimental to their image all the time. Why are you selectively deflecting and defending?

Don't talk to me about making KKK associations - - they're are very strong and clear in this instance.
Click to expand...

Not at all, no one is being killed. You're just obsessed with the KKK. I wonder why.


So, are you gonna explain why a business should be able to refuse service and employment to black people (your position), but should not be allowed to fire someone to protect their image? Explain to us why businesses should only have freedom of association when it comes to black people.
 
ecofarm said:
Lie.
Click to expand...

My bad. I thought I was responding to you in this post:

https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...enies-sexual-misconduct-2.html#post1067835919


No one is being killed. Why are you minimizing the KKK?



What crybaby snowflake tears. Companies fire people for arrest and other events detrimental to their image all the time. Why are you selectively deflecting and defending?



Not at all, no one is being killed. You're just obsessed with the KKK. I wonder why.


So, are you gonna explain why a business should be able to refuse service and employment to black people (your position), but should not be allowed to fire someone to protect their image? Explain to us why businesses should only have freedom of association when it comes to black people.
Click to expand...

You can always tell when a poster becomes desperate because he attempts to deflect with nearly every sentence.

As you just did.

Killing isn't the only thing the KKK did that was wrong. Killing was just an extension of their rush to judgement.

The movie producers may have thought the rumors surrounding Spacey were too strong to overcome, and they have the right to defend themselves against a financial loss, but the action they took is nothing to cheer about. They took the easy way out.

Suppose the DNC had done the same thing when all the "Obama is a Muslim" rumors started -- that would have also been wrong. But, they didn't. They stuck to their guns and said they'd stand behind their candidate because no one offered real proof that he wasn't eligible. The birthers didn't like that -- they wanted to get rid of Obama, but (in that case) the DNC did the right thing.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Killing isn't the only thing the KKK did that was wrong. Killing was just an extension of their rush to judgement.
Click to expand...

Oh, I see... any rush to judgement is like the KKK. haha

Are you going to explain how freedom of association applies to serving and hiring black people but not firing people to protect one's image?
 
ecofarm said:
Oh, I see... any rush to judgement is like the KKK. haha

Are you going to explain how freedom of association applies to serving and hiring black people but not firing people to protect one's image?
Click to expand...

What are you talking about? This conversation is about people who judge others on hearsay and accusations.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with claiming freedom of association to not serve or hire blacks, which is also abominable behavior.

This is about believing that rumors are fact and punishing the target of the rumors even without evidence. That's where the clear association to the KKK comes in. They lived by that rule.
 
HowardBThiname said:
What are you talking about? This conversation is about people who judge others on hearsay and accusations.
Click to expand...

That's not what the KKK did. If that were they case, they would have lynched far more whites than blacks, because there were far more accusations of rape against whites as a matter of population.

The KKK killed black people in homicidal racist hate, not as an unfortunate rush to judgement.

You're cheerleading for the KKK by misrepresenting the problem with the organization.
 
ecofarm said:
That's not what the KKK did. If that were they case, they would have lynched far more whites than blacks, because there were far more accusations of rape against whites as a matter of population.

The KKK killed black people in homicidal racist hate, not as an unfortunate rush to judgement.

You're cheerleading for the KKK by misrepresenting the problem with the organization.
Click to expand...

I'm denouncing KKK-like mentality -- you're emulating it.

Big difference.
 
HowardBThiname said:
I'm denouncing KKK-like mentality -- you're emulating it.

Big difference.
Click to expand...

You're apologizing for the KKK, and racism, and trying to make them look good by false equivalence.
 
HowardBThiname said:
What are you talking about? This conversation is about people who judge others on hearsay and accusations.
Click to expand...

It is a scary thing how people are accused - and they're automatically presumed guilty since the reprisal is swift - they are immediately dropped from projects, they lose integrity, and money! Their reputation is tarnished!

Furthermore, what's really an assault? or, Harrassment? Was there really any damage done?
Don't get me wrong - I'm not condoning any harassments or assaults - but we have to take these accusations within the right context.

If we don't get a non-hysterical handle on this - this might become the norm, even among us "ordinary" people.
 
Last edited:
Well last count Spacey and Weinstein, Antony Weiner and the rest have paid the price. Time to see what Roy Moore pays....I love hearing he is raising money off of this.....wow how moronic would one have to be to donate to him now. LOL:lamo
 
Fraggle Rock said:
Well last count Spacey and Weinstein, Antony Weiner and the rest have paid the price. Time to see what Roy Moore pays....I love hearing he is raising money off of this.....wow how moronic would one have to be to donate to him now. LOL:lamo
Click to expand...

I don't get something here. The news says he pursued teenage girls DECADES ago.
How old was he then?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom