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South Africa votes to take all white owned farm land.

South Africa will confiscate all the land in the country and become a socialist state, where private land ownership is not allowed and the state owns all the land in the country. According to Malema, black people will also not own land and the government will allocate land to black farmers who will only work on the land. Hopefully, poor whites in South Africa will be allocated some land to till for the raising of crops, which is a solution to white poverty in South Africa. There are 42,000 white South Africans living in poverty and most of them are living in squatter camps.

Speaking to the media on Wednesday, Malema emphasised that there was no turning back on their call for the state to own all the land in the country.

He claimed that huge portions of land currently under white ownership, were standing fallow and farmers were keeping it just to "brag" about the hectares they own.

According to Malema, black people will also not own land. "We must all be allocated land. You can't sell it. You can't come tomorrow and say, I have sold my piece of land.

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/farming-must-continue-uninterrupted-malema-20180228
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Renae said:
Yes, I find the whole idea stupid, at least in the USA.
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Yep, it seems quite opposite the "dreamer" concept. Can't blame the kids for the sins of their parents.
 
slick said:
Not you again. Make sense please. PLEASE Eloquently elobarate YOUR POSITION!
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I was very explicit. Perhaps you should learn some reading comprehension.
 
celticwar17 said:
I actually don't find that do be true, historically most of the black people that live in South Africa today, are not from South Africa... but from all over Africa immigrating there because of the economic opertunity. The actual South African tribes that historically existed in South Africa are actually heavily discriminated against by the Bantu people.
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I appreciate your contribution, celticwar17, in this discussion where you suggest that black people in South African only moved to South Africa after Apartheid ended in 1991 thereby escaping the consequences of the system.

American said:
Not "would've", but "might've". Owning land doesn't mean **** if you don't work it. Who started the farming in South Africa? Who made them what they are? Who were the leaders of farming? Giving land to people doesn't mean a damn thing without personal initiative.
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I thank you for your contribution, American, in this discussion where you suggest that black people in South Africa lack the personal initiative to farm land.
 
brothern said:
I appreciate your contribution, celticwar17, in this discussion where you suggest that black people in South African only moved to South Africa after Apartheid ended in 1991 thereby escaping the consequences of the system.


I thank you for your contribution, American, in this discussion where you suggest that black people in South Africa lack the personal initiative to farm land.
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No, they moved to South Africa before and after... But the point is, they do not have any inherent ownership of the land over any white person in South Africa. They are just as much immigrants as the white people there. People who have had their farms for multiple generations, are possibly getting them forcibly removed... and they are being killed at a rate of ONE farmer per day. These are people with their grand parents parents owning the farmland...

Do you actually support what is going on in South Africa?
 
Lets invite all the white people who are being thrown of their land to America, it is the least we can do after the damage we have done.
 
brothern said:
I appreciate your contribution, celticwar17, in this discussion where you suggest that black people in South African only moved to South Africa after Apartheid ended in 1991 thereby escaping the consequences of the system.


I thank you for your contribution, American, in this discussion where you suggest that black people in South Africa lack the personal initiative to farm land.
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200 farmers formed a cooperative to manage one piece of land that was given to them ... and failed. One of the expenses they didn't meet was to pay workers. So, what did the 200 farmers do all day?!?

"... The failure of Mokwena's cooperative is common. About 90 percent of the farms distributed to black farmers since the launch of land reform 16 years ago are no longer productive. ..."

https://www.voanews.com/a/black-far...till-struggling-with-land-reform/1535152.html
 
celticwar17 said:
No, they moved to South Africa before and after... But the point is, they do not have any inherent ownership of the land over any white person in South Africa. They are just as much immigrants as the white people there. People who have had their farms for multiple generations, are possibly getting them forcibly removed... and they are being killed at a rate of ONE farmer per day. These are people with their grand parents parents owning the farmland...
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I have no quibble with any of what you've said in the paragraph above. I agree.

Where I'm explicitly criticizing you is your minimization of the Apartheid system. In response to my statement "Historically the black population was undeniably, economically wronged by the white population," you stated "I actually don't find that do be true ..." and justified that opinion by stating,

1. That most blacks in South Africa didn't experience Apartheid, because they're immigrants - which is outlandishly untrue.

(Note: A five second Google search says that 4.5% of the SA population are immigrants, which you can compare to 13% of the US' population. The US is on the very high end of countries with immigrant populations.)

2. That historical tribal warfare is a moral equivalent of modern white power structures and institutionalized racism. "Modern" being defined as 1991.

Both those are completely nonsense statements.

celticwar17 said:
Do you actually support what is going on in South Africa?
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Of course not, what am I crazy? Taking land away from landowners without compensation is thoroughly deplorable and criminal. However as I stated in my post on the first page (1) the SA Parliament did not do that and instead voted to propose altering the Constitution to do that, and (2) the ANC is doing this to grandstand distract from their total failure to govern.

I am a happy critic of the ANC and would vote/campaign against them in government.
 
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slick said:
They have common values, language and work ethic with large swaths of America. They should be the ones we are allow to immigrate to the west.
These are true refugees, and should be allowed to front of the queue. These people will assimilate into the farming society and never be a burden to taxpayers…

South Africa has an affirmative action program, in place to protect the majority ! What ?????
"South Africa is the only country in the world where affirmative action is in the favour of the majority who has complete political control.
The fact that the political majority requires affirmative action to protect them against a 9% minority group is testament to a complete
failure on their part to build their own wealth.'

South Africa farm murders: Jacob Zuma calls for white land to be confiscated

“The farmers live in fear, because being a farmer in South Africa is the most dangerous occupation in the world,” Henk van de Graaf,
spokesman for the TAU, told Swedish newspaper Nya Tider last year.

“The average murder ratio per 100,000 or the population in the world is nine, I believe. In South Africa, it is 54. But for the
farming community it is 138, which is the highest for any occupation in the world.”

The rise in farm attacks has been blamed on increasingly anti-white hate speech, particularly from the ruling African National Congress.
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See the bolded part above? It's obvious that you saw that and took the info for face value, and NEVER asked yourself why that is. Travel down to the MS Delta, and you'll see exactly why that is, because where I went to school (at a segregation academy, mind you), the town was 80% black...but it was us whites who had all the money, and all the political power...and so I know doggone well why a majority might need affirmative action to be able to do anything.

But then, I'm getting the definite impression that you don't think Apartheid was that big a deal....
 
brothern said:
I have no quibble with any of what you've said in the paragraph above. I agree.

Where I'm explicitly criticizing you is your minimization of the Apartheid system. In response to my statement "Historically the black population was undeniably, economically wronged by the white population," you stated "I actually don't find that do be true ..." and justified that opinion by stating,

1. That most blacks in South Africa didn't experience Apartheid, because they're immigrants - which is outlandishly untrue.

(Note: A five second Google search says that 4.5% of the SA population are immigrants, which you can compare to 13% of the US' population. The US is on the very high end of countries with immigrant populations.)

2. That historical tribal warfare is a moral equivalent of modern white power structures and institutionalized racism. "Modern" being defined as 1991.

Both those are completely nonsense statements.

Of course not, what am I crazy? Taking land away from landowners without compensation is thoroughly deplorable and criminal. However as I stated in my post on the first page (1) the SA Parliament did not do that and instead voted to propose altering the Constitution to do that, and (2) the ANC is doing this to grandstand distract from their total failure to govern.

I am a happy critic of the ANC and would vote/campaign against them in government.
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Problem is is that I did not say they were immigrants only after apartheid... and I apologize if it seems like I suggested it. I was speaking clearly from the standpoint that it's as if these Africans have a right to the land inherently... when they have no more right than the white people living there.

Apartheid was a bad solution to an impossible problem.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Lets invite all the white people who are being thrown of their land to America, it is the least we can do after the damage we have done.
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"Damage"?

You mean opposing the vicious, oppressive regime which ruled the country?

That's what you fantasize counts as "damage"?
 
slick said:
South Africa is for White Western countries the canary in the racial coal mine.
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Yep, South Africa is a perfect example that if you institute white supremacy as the law of the land, brutally oppress people for decades, get thousands of soldiers killed or maimed and generally act despicably, it will bite you in the ass.
 
Time to liquidate SA then...
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yep, South Africa is a perfect example that if you institute white supremacy as the law of the land, brutally oppress people for decades, get thousands of soldiers killed or maimed and generally act despicably, it will bite you in the ass.
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You'd be wiser if you read post #42.

Blacks were never enslaved under Apartheid, they had the right to leave the country. The whites employed the Blacks then they had jobs. There were flaws
in the system. But now South Africa has more unemployment, more poverty with an out of control Black population in townships . Everyday you hear about
Bottle shops getting robbed or homes in the general area of suburbs getting looted occupants killed of all stripes Colored, Whites, Asians in the suburbs.
Who has commited these crimes? Blacks. Who is killing farmers of South Africa? Blacks.
 
slick said:
South Africa is for White Western countries the canary in the racial coal mine.
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Greetings, slick. :2wave:

If that's true, it's bad news for everyone involved! Where are they going to find people who will instruct them on large scale farming to feed their people, since they don't want whites around? We're going to be reading about starvation there if they don't get their act together soon, IMHO! :thumbdown:
 
Yet again Victim Culture activism has produced a disastrous result.

We really should wise up.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, slick. :2wave:

If that's true, it's bad news for everyone involved! Where are they going to find people who will instruct them on large scale farming to feed their people, since they don't want whites around? We're going to be reading about starvation there if they don't get their act together soon, IMHO! :thumbdown:
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What would happen to the standard of living of America and the world if all the best land were divided up into 1acre parcels to be farmed by people who use no machinery, who plant by poking holes in the ground with a stick, who use no contour ploughing or erosion control, no artificial fertilizer, who quit work for several years every time they get a good harvest, who use no crop rotation, who erode and exhaust the land and then move?

Japanese agronomists visited the Transkei, an independent homeland for the Xhosa. They said it could feed three million Oriental peasants and allow them to export food. It cannot feed one million Africans.

requiem for rhodesia
 
slick said:
You'd be wiser if you read post #42.

Blacks were never enslaved under Apartheid, they had the right to leave the country. The whites employed the Blacks then they had jobs. There were flaws
in the system. But now South Africa has more unemployment, more poverty with an out of control Black population in townships . Everyday you hear about
Bottle shops getting robbed or homes in the general area of suburbs getting looted occupants killed of all stripes Colored, Whites, Asians in the suburbs.
Who has commited these crimes? Blacks. Who is killing farmers of South Africa? Blacks.
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Oh, it wasn't "slavery"; it was just that inter-racial relationships and marriages were illegal, the native South Africans were only allowed to own a minuscule amount of the land, poor, corrupt "reservations" were created in which people lived-in grinding, enforced poverty, the native South Africans had no political representation, every South African was forcibly classified in a "racial hierarchy" with those not at the top routinely abused and oppressed; oh, and you could be detained as a "terrorist" on vague to no charges whatsoever, indefinitely, without having done anything wrong.

Then you have the fact that people were routinely murdered, disappeared, or harassed and beaten by the secret police.

And the only difference in that is that back then it was out of control Afrikaners doing the exact same thing.

Who created the situation? Your beloved apartheid.
 
slick said:
~ The rise in farm attacks has been blamed on increasingly anti-white hate speech, particularly from the ruling African National Congress.
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You really need to read up on Julius Malema, once part of the ANC and expelled in 2012. The ANC is merely doing what other ruling parties in other countries do and moving toward extreme positions when an upstart extreme party threatens to take their vote.

slick said:
You'd be wiser if you read post #42.

Blacks were never enslaved under Apartheid, they had the right to leave the country.
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Pure fantasy.

slick said:
But now South Africa has more unemployment, more poverty ~
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I asked another poster to provide proof of this kind of claim and never heard anything back.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Oh, it wasn't "slavery"; it was just that inter-racial relationships and marriages were illegal, the native South Africans were only allowed to own a minuscule amount of the land, poor, corrupt "reservations" were created in which people lived-in grinding, enforced poverty, the native South Africans had no political representation, every South African was forcibly classified in a "racial hierarchy" with those not at the top routinely abused and oppressed; oh, and you could be detained as a "terrorist" on vague to no charges whatsoever, indefinitely, without having done anything wrong.

Then you have the fact that people were routinely murdered, disappeared, or harassed and beaten by the secret police.

And the only difference in that is that back then it was out of control Afrikaners doing the exact same thing.

Who created the situation? Your beloved apartheid.
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Whites are regularly being robbed of their own land in South Africa and states enforced affirmative action has only served increase incompetence and corruption on business and the government. Apartheid was awful but what has replaced apartheid is arguably worse and is killing South Africa and the few competent and capable people left there.

Free!? What freedom do they really have? They are economically disadvantaged and enslaved! Show me black business in South Africa, I detest people from first world countries claiming pride in the cesspool that they helped to create by sanctions! It’s double speak at the least and very deceiving. The effects of apartheid are grossly exaggerated!... Apartheid didn’t even last 50 years!…
 
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