Sondland throws Trump and Guliani under the bus first!

[dixon01767]

What Sondland is writing, is that he was not aware of Trump, and Rudy's efforts to pressure Ukraine specifically to help Trump in the 2020, .

That's because there was no such effort. Strange how all the media says the same thing about the 2020 election but when looking at the transcript there is not even any mention of the 2020 election. And there is a specific mention of the 2016 election. The media is making up that part.

 

[ttwtt78640]

That's because there was no such effort. Strange how all the media says the same thing about the 2020 election but when looking at the transcript there is not even any mention of the 2020 election. And there is a specific mention of the 2016 election. The media is making up that part.

There is no dirt to be found on Joe or Hunter Biden anywhere on the planet, yet that is such a thing of value that Trump must be impeached for asking someone to find it.

 

[Helix]

Im not the one backtracking. And you ought to stick with dreaming up new adolescent nicknames for the president.

sounds good and very presidential. my latest is "the iodine stained imbecile." do you like it? i like it.

as for backtracking, i suppose we'll see if you make it to the "so what" stage of denial / fake reality or not.

 

[dixon01767]

There is no dirt to be found on Joe or Hunter Biden anywhere on the planet, yet that is such a thing of value that Trump must be impeached for asking someone to find it.

If they do come up with some dirt, Trump can pay his lawyers to pay a public relations firm to pay the Ukranians for the dirt and the campaign finance problems disappear.

 

[Master Debator]

If they do come up with some dirt, Trump can pay his lawyers to pay a public relations firm to pay the Ukranians for the dirt and the campaign finance problems disappear.

That's like saying after you rob the bank if you get caught you'll just fill out a withdrawal form. Where did you get your law degree from?

:lamo

 

[ttwtt78640]

If they do come up with some dirt, Trump can pay his lawyers to pay a public relations firm to pay the Ukranians for the dirt and the campaign finance problems disappear.

I think that only works for demorats with past POTUS husbands.

 

[Mach]

There is no dirt to be found on Joe or Hunter Biden anywhere on the planet, yet that is such a thing of value that Trump must be impeached for asking someone to find it.

Please read up on this stuff and not listen to right wing media.

They have been, and continue to, manufacture false stories, that they then push as real, which is picked up by people like Hannity, Rush, etc. The entire point is to manufacture what is not there. If you read up on how Paul Manafort operated in Ukraine for all those years putting the corrupt, Russian-backed Victory Yanukovych into power (who fled to Russia after being run out by the people for corruption), they do this sort of thing all the time. It's not hidden, it's not partisan, it's how he operated.

Read something on this..please. It's corruption, it has to be stopped by people like you. I already know about it, and oppose it.

Ukrainian Oligarch Dmitry Firtash’s Legal Team Gave Documents to Trump Allies, Rudy Giuliani: Report

LInked to:
Ukrainian Oligarch Dmitry Firtash Linked to Trump'''s Circle | Time

The information came from the legal team of Dmitry Firtash, a wealthy industrialist with assets across Europe, who has spent the last five years in Vienna fighting extradition to the U.S. on bribery and racketeering charges. The U.S. Department of Justice said in 2017 he was among the “upper echelon associates of Russian organized crime”—something Firtash vigorously denies, along with all charges against him.

As part of his legal defense, Firtash’s lawyers have gathered documents that make controversial allegations against former special counsel Robert Mueller and former Vice President Joe Biden. Firtash’s lawyers have passed these documents and other information to associates of Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani.

Why would Rudy go to a corrupt, Russian-backed guy fighting extradition to the U.S. on bribery charges? This was the guy Putin had installed in Ukraine as the go-between for Russian energy and Ukraine...he'd get hundreds of millions in middel-man profits, be wealthy and powerful in Ukraine, but be beholden to Putin. He could then use this fortune to push pro-Putin strategies. As he's doing here.

You have to ignore all our state department people, including Republicans, all the credible journalists, etc., including Trumps own people, and instead believe literally corrupt felons working on Putin's behalf were the good guys here.

It's not right.

 

[Chomsky]

The fear angle is the important one.

Fear is how Trump operates. He is not accustomed to being respected, and he wouldn’t know what to do with respect if he had it. That is abundantly clear just from watching him.

Fear is the only reason that McConnell didn’t dump Trump a long time ago.

McConnell has alway had Trump’s chestnuts in the palm of his hand. I think the Clown Prince is only now realizing that.

There is no upside for continuing to support Trump.

Public opinion is shifting noticeably even now.

Trump just lost a big vote in Congress, and didn’t even try and hold the GOP votes.

I suspect that Trump may be thinking about his exit strategy, and calculating what kind of go away deal he can make.

He’d better not wait too long.

I think we are far away from the bolded, if we are even ever get there. We are a bit closer though, and most importantly Indie voters are turning against Trump for 2020.

 

[Chomsky]

I am confident that is the biggest crock of **** Ive heard in a long time. GOP raised $125 million last quarter. A record in Presidential politics of any party. GOP loves Trump.

That sum doesn't even beat only the top two Dem candidates combined, to say nothing of combing them all.

But this is not about money, but votes. Indies moved 19% against Trump, over the several weeks of impeachment talks. 19 point! think about that. Brag about your big money buying the election, but we will overcome with votes. That's where it's at. Grass-roots energy. The same way we got the House.

 

[dixon01767]

That's like saying after you rob the bank if you get caught you'll just fill out a withdrawal form. Where did you get your law degree from?
:lamo

????? We haven't yet received Ukraines campaign contribution. More like handing the withdraw slip after you ask for the money.

 

[dixon01767]

That sum doesn't even beat only the top two Dem candidates combined, to say nothing of combing them all.

But this is not about money, but votes. Indies moved 19% against Trump, over the several weeks of impeachment talks. 19 point! think about that. Brag about your big money buying the election, but we will overcome with votes. That's where it's at. Grass-roots energy. The same way we got the House.

Trump has the same approval rating as Obama did at this point in his administration before he was re elected the following year

 

[Master Debator]

????? We haven't yet received Ukraines campaign contribution. More like handing the withdraw slip after you ask for the money.

Don't blame me for Trump and his buddies being crappy crooks. I didn't tell Mulvaney to go out and confess to all the crimes.

 

[dixon01767]

Don't blame me for Trump and his buddies being crappy crooks. I didn't tell Mulvaney to go out and confess to all the crimes.

He didn't confess to any crime. Ukraine and the US signed a treaty obligating each other to cooperate in investigations.

 

[snakestretcher]

Because of Ukraine's very recent corruption that involved the USA before their new President was elected.

Don't you remember from the transcript it was Zelensky who brought it up ...

"Well yes, to tell you the truth, we are trying to work hard because we wanted to drain the swamp here in our country. We brought in many many new people. Not the old politicians, not the typical politicians, because we want to have a new format and a new type of government. You are a great teacher for us and in that."

and later he called attention to his experience with US ambassador Yovanovitch ...

"On top of that, I would kindly ask you if you have any additional information that you can provide to us, it would be very helpful for the investigation to make sure that we administer justice in our country with regard to the Ambassador to the United States from Ukraine <sic> as far I as I recall her name was Ivanovich. It was great that you were the first one who told me that she was a bad ambassador because I agree with you 100%. Her attitude towards me was far from the best as she admired the previous President and she was on his side. She would not accept me as a new President well enough.

So ... clearly the topic was corruption.

"You are a great teacher...":lamo "Can we have our military stuff now we've massaged your ego, please?"

 

[snakestretcher]

Trump has the same approval rating as Obama did at this point in his administration before he was re elected the following year

Yes, and? So that guarantees the simpleton's re-election?

 

[dixon01767]

That sum doesn't even beat only the top two Dem candidates combined, to say nothing of combing them all..

Yes it does

 

[Master Debator]

He didn't confess to any crime. Ukraine and the US signed a treaty obligating each other to cooperate in investigations.

Claiming crimes aren't crimes or that a confession wasn't a confession is an interesting legal strategy.

:lamo

 

[Chomsky]

Trump has the same approval rating as Obama did at this point in his administration before he was re elected the following year

But his disapproval is stratospherically higher. That's the Dem motivator.

 

[Chomsky]

Yes it does

Supply a reference, and I'll be happy to examine it.

Here's what I used, in response your Q3 $125M claim:

(538.com) TOTAL RAISED THROUGH THE THIRD QUARTER

However, I believe we are arguing a somewhat moot point. You seem to be claiming Trump's & the GOP billionaire donors can buy the election, when my claim is that it's not money but votes that will prevail. There's a grass-roots movement of highly motivated voters & candidates taking place in the Dem party. This can be seen by the Dem's huge mid-term elections success flipping the House. Many of those races were from new and no-name candidates that rose from obscurity in response to Trump. And the Dem voters are even more outraged today, along with our seeing a recent 19% shift in the Indies.

I maintain it's about the citizens' votes cast, not simply who has the most moneyed donors to try to buy the election.

 

[GDViking]

That the cronies that support this president don't see what has happened here as corrupt is a homage to the power of the right wing noise machine, which began with the inglorious bastard, Reagan, ending the fairness doctrine. Everyone pisses and moans about the media, but without the fairness doctrine, what the **** do they expect?

The media right now, and its insane bias, is an EXAMPLE of republican policy NOT WORKING, and deregulation NOT working. This is the most direct evidence their ideology is a complete and total fraud, a hoax perpetrated by cruel, sneering oligarchs.

They have become nothing but a rubber stamp for corruption.

Perfectly stated!!!

:applaud:applaud:applaud

 

[dixon01767]

Claiming crimes aren't crimes or that a confession wasn't a confession is an interesting legal strategy.
:lamo

A Ukranian criminal investigation simply is not a thing "of value" in the context of campaign finance law. This isnt a crime. The DNC before the 2016 election solicited AND received information on Trump and Manafort from Ukraine. It wasnt a campaign contribution then and it isnt one now just because its a Republican this time.

 

[dixon01767]

Supply a reference, and I'll be happy to examine it.

Here's what I used, in response your Q3 $125M claim:

(538.com) TOTAL RAISED THROUGH THE THIRD QUARTER

Good god man, DIG DEEP for some remaining shred of integrity. I'll use your source.

Tom Steyer led the Democrats this quarter, raising $49.6 million total, of which 4.1 percent was raised from individual donors and 95.9 percent came from his own wallet. That total is $21.6 million more than Bernie Sanders, who came in second with $28.0 million.

$49.6 million plus $28 million IS NOT greater than $125 million.

 

[dixon01767]

There is no dirt to be found on Joe or Hunter Biden anywhere on the planet, yet that is such a thing of value that Trump must be impeached for asking someone to find it.

Well, we have Biden on tape bragging about having the Ukranian Prosecutor fired, we have that Ukranian prosecutor who says he was investigating Burisma and says he was told he was fired because he wouldnt drop the Burisma investigation. I suspect there are some Ukranian emails confirming all of this. But of course, Biden will still be a Democrat so all of this is irrelevant to them.

 

[Master Debator]

A Ukranian criminal investigation simply is not a thing "of value" in the context of campaign finance law. This isnt a crime. The DNC before the 2016 election solicited AND received information on Trump and Manafort from Ukraine. It wasnt a campaign contribution then and it isnt one now just because its a Republican this time.

No the DNC didn't. The official position of the United States government is that Russia was responsible for meddling in our elections and hacking the DNC server. There is no credible source saying otherwise, you have no evidence whatsoever and launching a political investigation with the help of a foreign government and calling it an anti-corruption campaign isnt going to fly. If Trump launched an anti-human trafficking investigation on Clinton, asking China for help and using Pizzagate as the premise of that investigation that wouldn't fool anyone and no one would consider it legitimate. This is the international equivalent of pizzagate taken to ridiculously criminal proportions.

 

[dixon01767]

But his disapproval is stratospherically higher. That's the Dem motivator.

I suspect you just made that up but feel free to show us the stratospherically lower disapproval rate for Obama and I suspect we can have a good laugh about your 2 or 3% stratosphere.