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Some Jewish parents angry and fearful when teachers back Palestinians

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This is clearly a major issue: on an entirely different continent. There is no place in the US for either antisemitism or antiPalestinian bias. Keep that garbage off our shores.
In New York City, Jewish leaders, teachers and parents demanded that the schools do more to address what they see as antisemitism, staging a rally on the steps of the city’s education department. In Montgomery County, Md., a petition supporting the investigation of teachers for sharing pro-Palestinian images and messages garnered 3,500 signatures.


And in California, at least 30 Jewish families have requested transfer out of the Oakland Unified School District because of issues related to the Israel-Gaza war.
Charges of antisemitism that have coursed through college campuses since the Oct. 7 attack in Israel by Hamas are also embroiling some K-12 school districts, as the emotional toll and anger surrounding the resulting war continues to tear at communities. It was unclear how many of these cases have surfaced, but school districts across the country have grappled with how much to allow students and staff to say about the conflict, and what to do when that speech offends or even makes others feel unsafe. The U.S. Department of Education has opened 19 investigations of potential federal civil rights violations into K-12 school systems alleging antisemitism, Islamophobia or other bias related to the conflict.


“Our concern is not so much about Israel and Gaza but about the one-sided viewpoints being pushed into the classrooms and teachers crossing the line when they go beyond teaching the facts,” said Simon Ferber, who is pulling his 6-year-old son out of the Oakland schools at year’s end. He and his wife complain that teachers have emphasized the harm to Palestinians but not harm to Israelis. They plan to move their family to Los Angeles, where they believe the climate for Jews will be more welcoming.
A spokesman for the Oakland school district declined to comment about families leaving the district, but the district superintendent has spoken out against teachers using unauthorized, pro-Palestinian material in their classrooms.
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zincwarrior said:
This is clearly a major issue: on an entirely different continent. There is no place in the US for either antisemitism or antiPalestinian bias. Keep that garbage off our shores.
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Antisemitism is what the Zionists decide it is at any given time, a University Professor in the UK has just won a industrial tribunal case, he was sacked from his post on false antisemitism charges because he was sympathetic to Palestine, these zionists threaten the livelihoods of anyone who gets out of line.
 
ataraxia said:
Are there any Palestinian families which feel alienated or even threatened because of pro-Israeli bias in their children’s schools? I am sure there are.
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Student/protest groups aren't marching around chanting slogans calling for the death of Palestinians and destruction of Gaza, then pretending its ok because they just don't know what the slogans really mean. But as to Israel (and naturally, who makes it up)? That's a different story.

I don't think we need to be automatically/reflexively downplaying a thread about Jewish parents' fears by going "oh yeah but whaddabout Palestinians and pro-Israel bias", as if concerns by Jews are inherently invalid but concerns by Palestinians are valid.
 
Mr Person said:
Student/protest groups aren't marching around chanting slogans calling for the death of Palestinians and destruction of Gaza, then pretending its ok because they just don't know what the slogans really mean. But as to Israel (and naturally, who makes it up)? That's a different story.

I don't think we need to be automatically/reflexively downplaying a thread about Jewish parents' fears by going "oh yeah but whaddabout Palestinians and pro-Israel bias", as if concerns by Jews are inherently invalid but concerns by Palestinians are valid.
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The whole thing is just a gunpowder depot ready to go off. If I was a teacher I would be steering clear of the whole topic if I valued my job. No matter what you say someone is going to be upset- very, VERY upset.
 
Mr Person said:
Student/protest groups aren't marching around chanting slogans calling for the death of Palestinians and destruction of Gaza, then pretending its ok because they just don't know what the slogans really mean. But as to Israel (and naturally, who makes it up)? That's a different story.

I don't think we need to be automatically/reflexively downplaying a thread about Jewish parents' fears by going "oh yeah but whaddabout Palestinians and pro-Israel bias", as if concerns by Jews are inherently invalid but concerns by Palestinians are valid.
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Isn’t that, you know … actually happening?
 
Sword 1944 said:
Antisemitism is what the Zionists decide it is at any given time, a University Professor in the UK has just won a industrial tribunal case, he was sacked from his post on false antisemitism charges because he was sympathetic to Palestine, these zionists threaten the livelihoods of anyone who gets out of line.
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Antisemitism has a definition.

Look it up.
 
Bok Tuklo said:
Isn’t that, you know … actually happening?
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Not if you pretend it isn't.

The comment I responded to did exactly what I described. This thread was about Jewish parents expressing concern about anti-Jewish/anti-Israel bias, which immediately elicited an "oh yeah, whaddabout Palestinians?!" as a challenge.
 
ataraxia said:
The whole thing is just a gunpowder depot ready to go off. If I was a teacher I would be steering clear of the whole topic if I valued my job. No matter what you say someone is going to be upset- very, VERY upset.
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Absent a very few specific classes, I don't see why the issue would ever come up, myself.
 
Mr Person said:
Student/protest groups aren't marching around chanting slogans calling for the death of Palestinians and destruction of Gaza
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Literally a few posts down on this forum a members shared an article discussing CNN's bias in reporting on the war, which included a piece where a Israeli official was allowed to come onto Anderson Cooper's show and argued that the entire Palestinian population could be regarded as combatants. Without any pushback.

And nobody cared.

Can you imagine if CNN had let a Hamas official on and they argued the entire population of Israel could be regarded as combatants since they are all settlers and that statement wasn't argued against at all in an interview?

Statements normalizing and justifying the mass death and destruction taking place in Gaza are so common place you don't even register them. It isn't students marching around calling for the mass death and destruction of Gaza. It is our news agencies, Israel political leader, politicians, etc.

You know, people will real power.

But a teacher shares a post lamenting the death of Palestinians in Gaza and we need to launch an investigation into them because Jewish students feel unsafe somehow because of that. Ok. Should we investigate teachers for making statements critical of Russia because it might make Russian students feel unsafe too?
 
Nomad4Ever said:
Literally a few posts down on this forum a members shared an article discussing CNN's bias in reporting on the war, which included a piece where a Israeli official was allowed to come onto Anderson Cooper's show and argued that the entire Palestinian population could be regarded as combatants. Without any pushback.

And nobody cared.

Can you imagine if CNN had let a Hamas official on and they argued the entire population of Israel could be regarded as combatants since they are all settlers and that statement wasn't argued against at all in an interview?

Statements normalizing and justifying the mass death and destruction taking place in Gaza are so common place you don't even register them. It isn't students marching around calling for the mass death and destruction of Gaza. It is our news agencies, Israel political leader, politicians, etc.

You know, people will real power.

But a teacher shares a post lamenting the death of Palestinians in Gaza and we need to launch an investigation into them because Jewish students feel unsafe somehow because of that. Ok. Should we investigate teachers for making statements critical of Russia because it might make Russian students feel unsafe too?
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Whataboutism doesn't work here. A does not equal B.

CNN is a private entity with minor ratings. No one is required to watch it. Given their commercials not that many are...
School is something else entirely. There should be no antiSemetic or antiPalestianian bias in schools.
 
zincwarrior said:
Whataboutism doesn't work here. A does not equal B.

CNN is a private entity with minor ratings. No one is required to watch it. Given their commercials not that many are...
School is something else entirely. There should be no antiSemetic or antiPalestianian bias in schools.
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He said student groups aren't marching around calling for the death and destruction of Gaza. I said what is actually happening is much worse than student groups because it is the people with power and our institutions that argue for the death and destruction of Gaza. I don't think you know what a whataboutism is.
 
Nomad4Ever said:
He said student groups aren't marching around calling for the death and destruction of Gaza. I said what is actually happening is much worse than student groups because it is the people with power and our institutions that argue for the death and destruction of Gaza. I don't think you know what a whataboutism is.
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So your argument has nothing to do with schools, you know the topic of the thread. Got it.
 
zincwarrior said:
Whataboutism doesn't work here. A does not equal B.

CNN is a private entity with minor ratings. No one is required to watch it. Given their commercials not that many are...
School is something else entirely. There should be no antiSemetic or antiPalestianian bias in schools.
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And for the record, IMO your OP is underselling the article. You didn't even quote some of the worst bits.
A faction of the union encouraged members to teach this point of view in the classroom, providing materials for a pro-Palestinian “teach-in” in December, which was unauthorized by the district. Material included, for instance, an alphabet book for elementary students called “P is for Palestine,” that includes, “I is for Intifada, Intifada is Arabic for rising up for what is right, if you are a kid or a grown-up!”
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Christ, lol. Wtf.

I think we can agree stuff like this is pretty far over the line.
 
zincwarrior said:
So your argument has nothing to do with schools, you know the topic of the thread. Got it.
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That's right.

I was arguing against the poster I directly quoted and my argument was against what he said. That's why I quoted him and not your OP in that reply.
 
Seems when one is the global hegemon problems very far away come home to roost.
 
Calling for Palestinian liberation isn't anti-semitism.

There is no "BOWF SIDES" to this issue, Jewish =/= Zionist, and Zionists need to stop with the intellectually and morally bankrupt gaslighting.

I guess by this ****ing logic anti-Zionist Jewish organizations like Jewish Voice for Peace and Btselem are "anti Jewish" 🙄🙄🙄

Everyone with a soul or a brain should be backing the Palestinians.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Calling for Palestinian liberation isn't anti-semitism.

There is no "BOWF SIDES" to this issue, Jewish =/= Zionist, and Zionists need to stop with the intellectually and morally bankrupt gaslighting.

I guess by this ****ing logic anti-Zionist Jewish organizations like Jewish Voice for Peace and Btselem are "anti Jewish" 🙄🙄🙄

Everyone with a soul or a brain should be backing the Palestinians.
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How about keeping all that foreign crap out of schools?
 
StillBallin75 said:
Calling for Palestinian liberation isn't anti-semitism.

There is no "BOWF SIDES" to this issue, Jewish =/= Zionist, and Zionists need to stop with the intellectually and morally bankrupt gaslighting.

I guess by this ****ing logic anti-Zionist Jewish organizations like Jewish Voice for Peace and Btselem are "anti Jewish" 🙄🙄🙄

Everyone with a soul or a brain should be backing the Palestinians.
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Backing Palestinian statehood is a noble goal.

Unfortunately giving them Gaza resulted in a terrorist camp resulting in tens of thousands of attacks on Israeli citizens.
 
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