Solution For People Who Don't Like Guns

[marke]

Or, a Good wife gets permission?

How can a good wife get permission from God to kill her unborn baby? By praying, "Lord, you know I haven't got time with my busy schedule to take care of a stinking baby so if it is OK with you I'm going to have a democrat doctor abort it for me. Thanks for your permission. I'll try not to bother you again."

 

[danielpalos]

How can a good wife get permission from God to kill her unborn baby? By praying, "Lord, you know I haven't got time with my busy schedule to take care of a stinking baby so if it is OK with you I'm going to have a democrat doctor abort it for me. Thanks for your permission. I'll try not to bother you again."

You miss the point about being a "husbandman on Earth".

 

[zsu2357]

Why do you think so? There are several older designed semi-autos of all calibers which would "bite" a person who wasn't holding it correctly. It's learning process.

What is your experience with semi-automatic pistols?

Off hand? He probably stayed at a Holiday Inn once.

 

[zsu2357]

=Rich2018;1071514263]If not totally worthless, they are at best a half measure that allows far too many guns into private hands with the resulting gun carnage it causes

One ------new------law------at------a------time.

The only sensible way forward is to ban guns

Even if all the legal owners handed them over (fat chance) how do you get them from criminals? Short version is ...You don't.

 

[mrdeltoid]

Why do you think so? There are several older designed semi-autos of all calibers which would "bite" a person who wasn't holding it correctly. It's learning process.

What is your experience with semi-automatic pistols?

The only handgun that's ever done that to me was a Bersa .380. I don't recommend them. The first Semi-auto handgun I used was a .45 Colt 1911 in the corps. When it comes to Semi-auto's I'm a Glock man. The Model 17 is my favorite to shoot. The Glock 19 Gen.4 for CCW. My favorite gun over all??? My Python. Hands down It's over 40 years old and just keeps getting sweeter. But I digress. To your point, yes I've heard your complaint about semi-auto's many times. Mostly .380's as they are so small. BTW, they're not great for a gunfight. JMHO

 

[mrdeltoid]

A sincere thank you for trying to mediate, but my post was quite clear in responding to Rich's persistent question about whether or not I read Mao's "Little Red Book". Rich is either deliberately misconstruing what I posted or he is simply seeing what he wants to see without actually understanding the truth. I've chosen to believe, based on his other posts, that he only sees what he wants to see. That he's not a liar, just delusional. You know, like Trump.

Fair enough my friend

 

[Divine_Wind]

The only handgun that's ever done that to me was a Bersa .380. I don't recommend them. The first Semi-auto handgun I used was a .45 Colt 1911 in the corps. When it comes to Semi-auto's I'm a Glock man. The Model 17 is my favorite to shoot. The Glock 19 Gen.4 for CCW. My favorite gun over all??? My Python. Hands down It's over 40 years old and just keeps getting sweeter. But I digress. To your point, yes I've heard your complaint about semi-auto's many times. Mostly .380's as they are so small. BTW, they're not great for a gunfight. JMHO

Bersa .380s are basically copies of Walther PPKs. Jame Bond's gun. A decent and reliable handgun but, yes, an old design which can "bite" the shooter.

I love my 1911A1 and also learned to shoot them in the Marine Corps. I have a Glock and used to have a Python. Sorry I had to give up my Python over 25 years ago due to financial reasons.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Even if all the legal owners handed them over (fat chance) how do you get them from criminals? Short version is ...You don't.

A point I and others on this forum have been trying to make with him, but it keeps flying over his head.

 

[mrdeltoid]

Liberal law means a lack of restrictions.

An economic liberal would be somewhat centrist backing both private and public sector

A political liberal would back the equal distribution of political power (as far as practical anyway ) - we call this democracy.

Yes, liberal gun laws does mean less restrictive. We agree there. Economic liberal though, I would disagree. An economic liberal, originally referred to individualism, or "the individual", when it comes to making decisions, and not the government. I am an economic liberal. As it used to be. Actually, as liberal use to be used, I would consider myself a liberal. It is based on liberty, and the government being under the consent of the citizens. The configuration of our 3 co-equal branches of government has nothing to do with liberalism.

 

[Marrybore]

Jews are sentient beings yet Germans saw them as evolutionary rejects, like some people saw slaves, and killed them at will. Abortionistrs want to believe unborn babies don't have human feelings and emotions but that is stupid, just like their insistence that anything could have created the universe but not God.

How can a good wife get permission from God to kill her unborn baby? By praying, "Lord, you know I haven't got time with my busy schedule to take care of a stinking baby so if it is OK with you I'm going to have a democrat doctor abort it for me. Thanks for your permission. I'll try not to bother you again."

Forgive me, but so far I've noticed a number of things you've said make no sense whatsoever and demonstrate the fact that you're out of touch with reality.
You've compared abortions to racist genocides.
You claim unborn babies have "human emotions and feelings". It is highly unlikely, at least at the foetus stage, that they are sentient. And besides, the way you phrased it seems to subtly imply you're uneducated on the subject.
You claim Abortionists believe "anything created the Universe except God", which is incorrect on a number of levels, mainly due to logical fallacy created by your grammatical in-coherency.
You seem to think women abort babies merely because of a "busy schedule". I doubt any woman would do this. Some might, just as some might put down a dog or put elderly relatives in a care-home because of a "busy schedule", but there are very few people who would ever imagine doing this.
It appears that you're using "democrat" as an abusive term for a doctor who carries out abortions, which is never a sign of intelligence.

 

[Digger]

Here is a solution for people who don't like guns on how to deal with their dislike for guns, don't own any, plain and simple, problem solved.

It's not the guns I have a problem with. It's the possibility that their bullets end up in my children that concerns me. Do you have any glib suggestions to prevent that from happening?

 

[mrdeltoid]

Bersa .380s are basically copies of Walther PPKs. Jame Bond's gun. A decent and reliable handgun but, yes, an old design which can "bite" the shooter.

I love my 1911A1 and also learned to shoot them in the Marine Corps. I have a Glock and used to have a Python. Sorry I had to give up my Python over 25 years ago due to financial reasons.

Sounds like we have a lot in common!

 

[mrdeltoid]

It's not the guns I have a problem with. It's the possibility that their bullets end up in my children that concerns me. Do you have any glib suggestions to prevent that from happening?

As far as I know, there is no way to make it possible for a child to be immune to being shot by a criminal. I do know that criminals tend not to respect the law, therefore, passing law after law, will have no effect on criminal behavior. Maryland has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, yet Baltimore, where I live, Have several shooting every day. As a previous poster stated, In Alaska they have very relaxed gun laws, and the murder rate is high. Yet in Vermont, where there are practically no gun laws, the murder rate is lower than most states. Hence, gun laws have no effect on murder rates or violent crime. The term "Gun violence" is a misnomer. There are about 40,000 gun deaths/year(over half are suicides), and 40,000 deaths due to car wrecks/year. Yet you never hear it referred to as "Car Violence".

 

[Digger]

As far as I know, there is no way to make it possible for a child to be immune to being shot by a criminal. I do know that criminals tend not to respect the law, therefore, passing law after law, will have no effect on criminal behavior. Maryland has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, yet Baltimore, where I live, Have several shooting every day. As a previous poster stated, In Alaska they have very relaxed gun laws, and the murder rate is high. Yet in Vermont, where there are practically no gun laws, the murder rate is lower than most states. Hence, gun laws have no effect on murder rates or violent crime. The term "Gun violence" is a misnomer. There are about 40,000 gun deaths/year(over half are suicides), and 40,000 deaths due to car wrecks/year. Yet you never hear it referred to as "Car Violence".

How come guns are the one thing that are immune to laws? For cars we have cops driving around all the time making sure people ate driving safely, car seat laws, etc. It's like a functioning society regulates stuff that kills people.

Clearly what people have tried so far hasn't worked. Sp let's try something else. Where's your can do attitude?

 

[DebateChallenge]

It's not the guns I have a problem with. It's the possibility that their bullets end up in my children that concerns me. Do you have any glib suggestions to prevent that from happening?

Do you work with guns? If you do then I highly recommend you learn basic gun safety, that way you can make sure that none of your bullets end up in your children or yourself.
I first learned to shoot guns when I was a child myself when I was in Boy Scout Camp, they were very safety conscious.
If your children are learning to shoot guns through a program that teaches that make sure the program is very safety conscious, as BSA is.
If you and your children aren't around guns and bullets than there isn't much of a chance that bullets will end up in them, or you. Primary concerns should be teaching your children how to safely cross the street and to be careful around strangers.

 

[DebateChallenge]

How come guns are the one thing that are immune to laws? For cars we have cops driving around all the time making sure people ate driving safely, car seat laws, etc. It's like a functioning society regulates stuff that kills people.

Clearly what people have tried so far hasn't worked. Sp let's try something else. Where's your can do attitude?

Guns are immune to laws? What kinds of laws are guns immune to that cars aren't?

 

[Digger]

Guns are immune to laws? What kinds of laws are guns immune to that cars aren't?

I dunno. According to Mr. Deltoid, gun regulation doesn't work categorically. Take it up with him if you want to argue the point. It seems ridiculously defeatist to me.

 

[DebateChallenge]

I dunno. According to Mr. Deltoid, gun regulation doesn't work categorically. Take it up with him if you want to argue the point. It seems ridiculously defeatist to me.

Well I will say this much, guns are not immune to laws. There are over 2000 gun laws on the books.

 

[Digger]

Do you work with guns? If you do then I highly recommend you learn basic gun safety, that way you can make sure that none of your bullets end up in your children or yourself.
I first learned to shoot guns when I was a child myself when I was in Boy Scout Camp, they were very safety conscious.
If your children are learning to shoot guns through a program that teaches that make sure the program is very safety conscious, as BSA is.
If you and your children aren't around guns and bullets than there isn't much of a chance that bullets will end up in them, or you. Primary concerns should be teaching your children how to safely cross the street and to be careful around strangers.

My children know how to cross the street, asshole.

 

[Digger]

Well I will say this much, guns are not immune to laws. There are over 2000 gun laws on the books.

And according to Mr. Deltoid, none of those laws have the slightest impact on public safety. And any new laws would be useless too. Because criminals don't follow laws. I'm trying to figure out why this argument applies only to guns. Why do we have any laws at all? Criminals are just going to break them.

 

[Divine_Wind]

How come guns are the one thing that are immune to laws? For cars we have cops driving around all the time making sure people ate driving safely, car seat laws, etc. It's like a functioning society regulates stuff that kills people.

Clearly what people have tried so far hasn't worked. Sp let's try something else. Where's your can do attitude?

Because there a difference between enumerated and unenumerated rights. How come the police don’t go around into houses checking to make sure people aren’t doing anything illegal on their computers such as child porn and posting stupid crap on the Internet? My guess is it’s the same reason: the First Amendment is an enumerated right along with the Fourth and Fifth Amendments.

 

[DebateChallenge]

And according to Mr. Deltoid, none of those laws have the slightest impact on public safety. And any new laws would be useless too. Because criminals don't follow laws. I'm trying to figure out why this argument applies only to guns. Why do we have any laws at all? Criminals are just going to break them.

By having laws we're at least able to stop some people from doing stuff we consider undesirable. We have laws that prohibit rape and murder and yes there still are people who rape and murder but by having laws that prohibit such stuff we're at least able to stop some of it. We certainly have less rape and murder than we would if we didn't have laws prohibiting such stuff.

 

[mrdeltoid]

How come guns are the one thing that are immune to laws? For cars we have cops driving around all the time making sure people ate driving safely, car seat laws, etc. It's like a functioning society regulates stuff that kills people.

Clearly what people have tried so far hasn't worked. Sp let's try something else. Where's your can do attitude?

I'm with you, believe me. The problem is we can't legislate good behavior. What I mean is, guns aren't immune to laws, here we must even apply to get a license before you can even buy a gun. Then after that, you do the paperwork to buy a gun, wait while a background check (we are already fingerprinted for the HQL, (Handgun Qualification License), then we can finally pick up our gun. Here's the thing, if your life is threatened, or you are a female being stalked, the criminal that threatened you, can come to your house, kick the door in, and shoot you dead. No waiting period. The issue with enforcing gun laws before a criminal can use it, you run into 4th amendment issues. In NYC, "stop and frisk" cut murders from over 1000 per year, to a couple hundred.
But, there are other ways. Take school shootings for instance. Arming and training teachers on a volunteer basis has been successful. One school even has a sign proclaiming "This School has armed teachers". Criminals prefer unarmed victims. "Shall issue" laws gives one the option of carrying a concealed gun if you are law abiding. In these states, you can apply for a CCW, and if you are law abiding, they shall issue you a CCW permit. Some states, like Maine, if you are a state resident, you don't need a permit. You can carry if you want. This has never been tried here in Maryland. I would have to prove I need a CCW permit, like I carry large sums of money or something. The fact that I live in a city of roughly half a million people, that has several shootings every day, and over 300 murders a year isn't proof enough you say? Nope. Not in the people's republic of Maryland.

 

[Digger]

Because there a difference between enumerated and unenumerated rights. How come the police don’t go around into houses checking to make sure people aren’t doing anything illegal on their computers such as child porn and posting stupid crap on the Internet? My guess is it’s the same reason: the First Amendment is an enumerated right along with the Fourth and Fifth Amendments.

"A well regulated militia"..... do you see my point?

 

[Digger]

By having laws we're at least able to stop some people from doing stuff we consider undesirable. We have laws that prohibit rape and murder and yes there still are people who rape and murder but by having laws that prohibit such stuff we're at least able to stop some of it. We certainly have less rape and murder than we would if we didn't have laws prohibiting such stuff.

Yeah, I know. And the same applies to gun violence, which is my point. You should be arguing with deltoid.