Socialist Zohran Mamdani wins NYC primary

[Fletch]

If your rent is frozen in place and cannot be raised year over year, it saves renters money as their pay increases to keep up with inflation.

And if the owner of the property is not allowed to increase the rent, how does he cover costs that may increase year over year?

 

[jaypatriot]

He is like a late 19th century Gilded Age capitalist.
His fault was in treating government workers like they were his "X" employees after he bought Twitter.

Bad move.

Don't make me start liking you because you agree with me.

 

[Felis Leo]

And if the owner of the property is not allowed to increase the rent, how does he cover costs that may increase year over year?

A good question. I will not feign subject matter expertise on this, but I have seen no small number of rent-controlled apartments that look quite nice and not like rotting slum tenements out of the late 1970s. Perhaps one of our resident New Yorkers like @Jezcoe, or @Gaius46 or @TheDoctorWasIn can tell us.

 

[Napoleon]

NYC used rank choice voting so he hasn't won yet. A winner will probably not be declared for a couple of weeks yet, though he is expected to win and the winner of the Democratic primary usually wins the general election.

He had to have a lot more support than just "young nitwits" to get 45% or so of the popular vote.

He only won by plurality. I wouldn’t take to that to mean he’s a shoe-in for the general.

 

[Fletch]

A good question. I will not feign subject matter expertise on this, but I have seen no small number of rent-controlled apartments that look quite nice and not like rotting slum tenements out of the late 1970s. Perhaps one of our resident New Yorkers like @Jezcoe, or @Gaius46 or @TheDoctorWasIn can tell us.

I think we have learned that price controls dont work. So I am not sure why we have to keep learning that lesson over and over and over again.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

He only won by plurality. I wouldn’t take to that to mean he’s a shoe-in for the general.

No, he won by much more than a plurality. It's the nature of ranking choice voting, you'll see as the results keep coming in.

He'll likely get most if not all of Lander's votes, as well as Myrie's, Adams' (Adrienne), and a good chunk of Stringer's.

 

[Felis Leo]

I think we have learned that price controls dont work. So I am not sure why we have to keep learning that lesson over and over and over again.

Well, it is not a lesson everyday New Yorkers have learned since they want more of it.

 

[reinaert]

And those Liberal ankle-biters are ready and eager to demean Trump every chance they get.
That's practically a full time job lately for posters who hate to see Trump have any victories at all.

It's not fascism at all to need Leader to be adored, not criticized.

 

[Slartibartfast]

He is like a late 19th century Gilded Age capitalist.
His fault was in treating government workers like they were his "X" employees after he bought Twitter.

Bad move.

Yeah, we went through that as a society and found those people were evil last time around.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

And if the owner of the property is not allowed to increase the rent, how does he cover costs that may increase year over year?

What costs are you referring to?

I don't think you're completely understanding how high rent is, even in rent stabilized apartments. My current apartment is rent-stabilized, and I still pay almost $2,500 for a 500-square foot one bedroom. My landlord pulls in $175,000 a year in rent from the 6 units in my building.

 

[Felis Leo]

What costs are you referring to?

I don't think you're completely understanding how high rent is, even in rent stabilized apartments. My current apartment is rent-stabilized, and I still pay almost $2,500 for a 500-square foot one bedroom. My landlord pulls in $175,000 a year in rent from the 6 units in my building.

Clearly rent control does not work. That landlord of yours has been reduced to the status of a pauper who can barely afford to feed their children.

 

[Fletch]

What costs are you referring to?

I don't think you're completely understanding how high rent is, even in rent stabilized apartments. My current apartment is rent-stabilized, and I still pay almost $2,500 for a 500-square foot one bedroom. My landlord pulls in $175,000 a year in rent from the 6 units in my building.

Ok and what are his costs? And if rents are already way too high, how does freezing them where they are do much good?

 

[jaypatriot]

Yeah, we went through that as a society and found those people were evil last time around.

There are lots of evil people in our society.
Like the city mayors of sanctuary who think it's just fine that the nihilistic dregs of their city come out and protest against government workers trying to do their jobs.
Who were those "people were evil last time around."?
When was "the last time"? Like in 2020 with the BLM-led rioters?

 

[Slartibartfast]

There are lots of evil people in our society.
Like the city mayors of sanctuary who think it's just fine that the nihilistic dregs of their city come out and protest against government workers trying to do their jobs.

That's not evil. You should see what The Bible tells us about sojourners.

Who were those "people were evil last time around."?
When was "the last time"? Like in 2020 with the BLM-led rioters?

The gilded age, as you have already identified.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

Ok and what are his costs?

I asked you what costs you were referring to, you didn't answer.

And if rents are already way too high, how does freezing them where they are do much good?

...it keeps them from going up even higher?

I figured that would be self-explanatory.

 

[jaypatriot]

Clearly rent control does not work. That landlord of yours has been reduced to the status of a pauper who can barely afford to feed their children.

Let's just say it is un-American and not capitalistic for any government to freeze rents and cripple landlords.
The ignorant voters of NYC only want to hear about the free shit a Socialist mayor can give them.
Just like in Ancient Roman times when the Senate and the elected Consuls had to agree on how much money to spend on free grain, corn, and circus games to distract the rabble population from rioting. Back then slaves had no advocates to fight for their freedoms.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

Let's just say it is un-American and not capitalistic for any government to freeze rents and cripple landlords.

No, let's not. But it's cute that you think "American" and "capitalist" are synonyms.

 

[jaypatriot]

That's not evil. You should see what The Bible tells us about sojourners.

The gilded age.

Oh right, the industrial moguls from the Gilded Age who made America great at the end of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th century. How do you think we were able to help England and France to defeat the nasty Huns in World War I?

 

[Slartibartfast]

Let's just say it is un-American and not capitalistic for any government to freeze rents and cripple landlords.
The ignorant voters of NYC only want to hear about the free shit a Socialist mayor can give them.
Just like in Ancient Roman times when the Senate and the elected Consuls had to agree on how much money to spend on free grain, corn, and circus games to distract the rabble population from rioting. Back then slaves had no advocates to fight for their freedoms.

What is American or unAmerican really depends on which American subculture you are referring to. There is no hard and fast rule on this given the size and varied cultures in different regions.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Oh right, the industrial moguls from the Gilded Age who made America great at the end of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th century. How do you think we were able to help England and France to defeat the nasty Huns in World War I?

They made Americans lose fingers and children die in industrial machine accidents. America was in one of its worst places at that point in history.

 

[jaypatriot]

It's not fascism at all to need Leader to be adored, not criticized.

Oh, you're being sarcastic. Nice subtlety.

 

[jaypatriot]

They made Americans lose fingers and children die in industrial machine accidents. America was in one of its worst places at that point in history.

And who was there to act against such inequalities?
People still needed to work in labor-intensive jobs in order to feed their families.
How is that different from the millions of illegal aliens taking any job to feed their families?
Nothing changes except the illegality of poor people in this country who need work.

 

[Felis Leo]

Let's just say it is un-American and not capitalistic for any government to freeze rents and cripple landlords.

Sorry, when was I and all other Americans expected to pledge our allegiance to capitalism and landlords?

The ignorant voters of NYC only want to hear about the free shit a Socialist mayor can give them.

Free? Do you think NYC voters at every income bracket don't know they already pay massive taxes?

Just like in Ancient Roman times when the Senate and the elected Consuls had to agree on how much money to spend on free grain, corn, and circus games to distract the rabble population from rioting. Back then slaves had no advocates to fight for their freedoms.

Ancient Roman citizens were not slaves, jaypatriot. Roman citizens were given grain, bread and circuses because those were the earned benefits of those who toiled, paid taxes and fought in the Roman Army on behalf of the Patrician/Senatorial class to maintain their Empire. I would wager the average Roman citizen paid more in taxes, worked harder, and put their lives at greater risk when called upon by their city state to arms than any American, even a self-admitted V.A. benefits-drawing veteran such as yourself, ever has.

 

[Slartibartfast]

And who was there to act against such inequalities?
People still needed to work in labor-intensive jobs in order to feed their families.
How is that different from the millions of illegal aliens taking any job to feed their families?
Nothing changes except the illegality of poor people in this country who need work.

The question in bold is the kind of question asked from the perspective of evil. Note the lack of empathy and the attitude of taking what you can get without regard for the well-being of others.

 

[Gaius46]

What costs are you referring to?

I don't think you're completely understanding how high rent is, even in rent stabilized apartments. My current apartment is rent-stabilized, and I still pay almost $2,500 for a 500-square foot one bedroom. My landlord pulls in $175,000 a year in rent from the 6 units in my building.

TBH 2,500 is a bargain.

I live in Huntington in Suffolk County now - we bought a house here in 1994 - and 2BR apartments start around that and go as high as about $4,000 a month. Add on commuting time/costs if you work in the city and frankly $2500 for your NYC apartment is a steal.