So, Did the shooter in Santa Fe, Texas use a shotgun?

[Lursa]

Parents should keep their guns in a safe place where only those who know how to use them properly can get to them. I agree that a parent who just leaves their gun sitting around and their crazy child grabs it and kills someone should be held responsible in some way. I think life in prison is too harsh. The parent was negligent, but the parent isn't a murderer.

Agreed. And this is what I wrote a few pages back:

I agree. I see it as much like pools. There are many precautions parents can take...and most do...but accidents happen no matter what sometimes.

Depending on the age of the child, parents sometimes keep them up out of where the kids can reach. Or they hide them so kids dont know where the home self-defense gun is. Some to uses locks of different kids.

To believe that people dont lock up the majority of their guns is silly tho: guns are very expensive. Nobody wants them stolen. But depending on their personal homes/circumstances, people do have legitimate reasons to keep a gun or a few maybe, around for protection. And like I wrote...if you need a gun, you need it immediately or you probably didnt need it.

 

[iguanaman]

automobiles are not a guaranteed right within The Constitution

The right to bear arms however is a guaranteed right within The Constitution

The right to life is also guaranteed in the Constitution too. We have the right to protect our children from death from children who obtain their weapons from adults who should know better.

 

[Josie]

True but he is an accessory to murder if he supplied the murder weapon. I believe it would dawn on parents that they need to be more careful with their weapons if we prosecuted some. The no-fault attitude we have now gives them the impression that the problem is not serious. We jail people for parking tickets for God's sake.

No, the parent wouldn't be an accessory to the murder unless he/she was aware of the murder plan and willfully left the weapon for the murderer to have access to. You can't charge people for crimes they had no knowledge of and didn't participate in.

 

[iguanaman]

No, the parent wouldn't be an accessory to the murder unless he/she was aware of the murder plan and willfully left the weapon for the murderer to have access to. You can't charge people for crimes they had no knowledge of and didn't participate in.

We are talking about parents who do not make any effort to protect their weapons from being used by minors. Right now that is not a crime and is optional. 5 toddlers a week shoot someone with a gun. Do you think we should change the laws to make it mandatory?

 

[jet57]

I wonder what Jimmy would propose? I don't recall him saying what he would do to combat the issue of school shootings.

It's not his job to do it, it's the elected representatives job to do something about it, and they're doing nothing, that's why it keeps happening.

 

[Rucker61]

It's not his job to do it, it's the elected representatives job to do something about it, and they're doing nothing, that's why it keeps happening.

We should ban pump shotguns and .38 caliber revolvers to get a handle on these mass shootings, right?

 

[cuban smokes]

It's not his job to do it, it's the elected representatives job to do something about it, and they're doing nothing, that's why it keeps happening.

I was asking because Kimmel seems to have an opinion on the subject BUT he didn't say what his idea for a solution may be

just curious why he seems to complain about guns but I never hear him offer any ideas to combat the gun violence

I guess he just wants to complain & has no ideas ...........

 

[Josie]

We are talking about parents who do not make any effort to protect their weapons from being used by minors. Right now that is not a crime and is optional. 5 toddlers a week shoot someone with a gun. Do you think we should change the laws to make it mandatory?

I've already said that parents should be charged with a negligence crime. You said they should be charged for being an accessory to murder. You can't charge someone with murder or accessory to murder when they had no knowledge or participation in the murder. What should a parent be charged with in a toddler/weapon situation where their 2 year old kills another 2 year old?

 

[Lursa]

We are talking about parents who do not make any effort to protect their weapons from being used by minors. Right now that is not a crime and is optional. 5 toddlers a week shoot someone with a gun. Do you think we should change the laws to make it mandatory?

Cars then pools.

Way more than 43. Hundreds more.

Children: Children ages 1 to 4 have the highest drowning rates. In 2014, among children 1 to 4 years old who died from an unintentional injury, one-third died from drowning.1,2 Among children ages 1 to 4, most drownings occur in home swimming pools.2 Drowning is responsible for more deaths among children 1-4 than any other cause except congenital anomalies (birth defects).1 Among those 1-14, fatal drowning remains the second-leading cause of unintentional injury-related death behind motor vehicle crashes.1

https://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/water-safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html

 

[iguanaman]

Cars then pools.

Way more than 43. Hundreds more.

All you can do is deflect. Why are guns immune from all forms of safety regulations?

https://www.poolsafely.gov/about-us/

 

[Rucker61]

All you can do is deflect. Why are guns immune from all forms of safety regulations?

https://www.poolsafely.gov/about-us/

Safety regulations are intended to prevent objects from causing unintentional death or injury. How would you do that with a gun? Or a knife, or bat?

 

[jet57]

We should ban pump shotguns and .38 caliber revolvers to get a handle on these mass shootings, right?

What if he;d had an AR15 there Rucker? ...'bout 20 banana clips, 200 rounds... 45 or 50 dead instead of 10, and asshole politicians doing zip about it.

So, what are you going to say next time there Rucker?

 

[jet57]

I was asking because Kimmel seems to have an opinion on the subject BUT he didn't say what his idea for a solution may be

just curious why he seems to complain about guns but I never hear him offer any ideas to combat the gun violence

I guess he just wants to complain & has no ideas ...........

We have people who are responsible for our country and our problems; where have they been all this time? Why does a parent have to come up with ideas to save his own children form the general public. Why don;t you email him and ask him what he thinks we all should do? You think maybe he wants to send that kid's father to prison as a beginning for solving this particular school thing? I'll bet he does.

 

[Lursa]

All you can do is deflect. Why are guns immune from all forms of safety regulations?

https://www.poolsafely.gov/about-us/

That's a disturbingly uninformed presumption.

And even more ludicrous, to imagine that gun owners, who often have firearms to protect their lives and families...wouldnt want guns to be safe to use :doh ANd the same goes for those that hunt or shoot for recreation. Like we wouldnt want our guns to be safe to use??? :roll:

There are loads of safety mechanisms manufactured into (by law and optional) and also those that can be added.

A few:

--manual safeties
--internal drop-safeties (mandatory)
--grip safeties
--standards for caliber loads and gun ratings
--chamber ejection clearance
--magazine feed standards
--double-action triggers
--trigger spring tension standards

--someone else already mentioned that trigger locks are mandatory and incuded with every new firearm

just a handful off the top of my head.

 

[Lursa]

All you can do is deflect. Why are guns immune from all forms of safety regulations?

https://www.poolsafely.gov/about-us/

And btw, I'm not deflecting...I answer directly.

You keep avoiding my questions...like this one:

Here's a suggestion, what do you think: to protect so many more lives, let's make the national speed limits no higher than 35 MPH. Not higher anywhere. What's a little inconvenience if it saves lives? So people have to plan better, leave earlier, take a little longer to get somewhere...arent all the lives worth it?

 

[Rucker61]

What if he;d had an AR15 there Rucker? ...'bout 20 banana clips, 200 rounds... 45 or 50 dead instead of 10, and asshole politicians doing zip about it.

So, what are you going to say next time there Rucker?

Or an M1 Carbine. Imagine the carnage. Over half of the mass shootings with AR-15s had fewer deaths than the Iowa shooting with a single .38 revolver. How is that?

Columbine had two shooters; maybe we shouldn't allow two weirdo boys to associate anymore.

 

[Lursa]

Or an M1 Carbine. Imagine the carnage. Over half of the mass shootings with AR-15s had fewer deaths than the Iowa shooting with a single .38 revolver. How is that?

Columbine had two shooters; maybe we shouldn't allow two weirdo boys to associate anymore.

The VT shooter...2 handguns. 30+ killed.

 

[iguanaman]

And btw, I'm not deflecting...I answer directly.

You keep avoiding my questions...like this one:

LOL 35MPH is not practical and would severely disrupt our economy. The slower the speed the less cars a highway can handle. Cars are an integral part of our economy, most of us could not get to work without tham. We have made great progress in reducing deaths from car accidents. The deaths per mile traveled are Not so with gun safety regulations, they can only serve to reduce gun deaths. Why are you against reducing gun deaths which keep rising?

Firearms – Data Details – Injury Facts

 

[jet57]

Or an M1 Carbine. Imagine the carnage. Over half of the mass shootings with AR-15s had fewer deaths than the Iowa shooting with a single .38 revolver. How is that?

Columbine had two shooters; maybe we shouldn't allow two weirdo boys to associate anymore.

So - you having nothing particularly intelligent to say again eh Rucker? So you're once again just going to dodge because you can't answer simple direct questions about a gun issue aren't you....

(chuckle)

dude

 

[Lursa]

LOL 35MPH is not practical and would severely disrupt our economy. The slower the speed the less cars a highway can handle. Cars are an integral part of our economy, most of us could not get to work without tham. Not so with gun safety regulations, they can only serve to reduce gun deaths. Why are you against reducing gun deaths?

WHo says? Who says people cant get up earlier? Leave earlier? Plan differently? Ship more by train? That's BS.

Slavery and illegal immigrant labor are integral to our economy too...doesnt make them right or something to enable or retain.

You are just making excuses. It would be very workable...but yup, less convenient...so I guess all those extra lives saved arent worth it to you.

Now be specific: where did I post I was against reducing gun deaths?

I've been asking how...for your solutions.

Now I realize you are very uninformed on the subject, period.

 

[iguanaman]

WHo says? Who says people cant get up earlier? Leave earlier? Plan differently? Ship more by train? That's BS.

Slavery and illegal immigrant labor are integral to our economy too...doesnt make them right or something to enable or retain.

You are just making excuses. It would be very workable...but yup, less convenient...so I guess all those extra lives saved arent worth it to you.

Now be specific: where did I post I was against reducing gun deaths?

I've been asking how...for your solutions.

Now I realize you are very uninformed on the subject, period.

All I know is that gun deaths keep rising while automobile accident deaths keep falling. Why doesn't that concern you? Which problem are we ignoring?

 

[Lursa]

All I know is that gun deaths keep rising while automobile accident deaths keep falling. Why doesn't that concern you? Which problem are we ignoring?

Why are you lying? Gun-related deaths are not rising. (f you remove suicides, gun-related deaths are not anywhere near those from vehicles. And suicides are more that 12,000/yr). Also, car/pedestrian & bike deaths are on the rise.

I am concerned.

We are ignoring WHY males choose to kill other people. Actually, 'we' arent...you are.

Car/pedestrian deaths on the rise:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...main-at-25-year-high-for-second-year-in-a-row

https://www.consumerreports.org/transportation/nhtsa-2016-highway-fatalities/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tanyam...ly-in-2016-second-year-in-a-row/#61f85a834c8b

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2018/02/28/pedestrian-fatalities/376802002/

 

[iguanaman]

Why are you lying? Gun-related deaths are not rising. (f you remove suicides, gun-related deaths are not anywhere near those from vehicles. And suicides are more that 12,000/yr). Also, car/pedestrian & bike deaths are on the rise.

I am concerned.

We are ignoring WHY males choose to kill other people. Actually, 'we' arent...you are.

Car/pedestrian deaths on the rise:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...main-at-25-year-high-for-second-year-in-a-row

https://www.consumerreports.org/transportation/nhtsa-2016-highway-fatalities/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tanyam...ly-in-2016-second-year-in-a-row/#61f85a834c8b

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2018/02/28/pedestrian-fatalities/376802002/

Auto deaths per mile traveled have been falling for decades. That is the only accurate way to judge auto safety. Gun deaths keep rising, the more guns the more gun deaths we have. Surely we can stop that trend.

 

[Lursa]

Auto deaths per mile traveled have been falling for decades. That is the only accurate way to judge auto safety. Gun deaths keep rising, the more guns the more gun deaths we have. Surely we can stop that trend.

Why does it matter? Do the pedestrians and cyclists count less? Their lives dont count as much????

And by far, cars still slaughter way more Americans than guns.

And again: gun deaths are not rising. You seem unfortunately susceptible, on an emotion level perhaps, to what's shown in the media. That doesnt mean it's prevalent. Horrible does not = common.

 

[haymarket]

The guy stole weapons from his father. How would any of your proposals stopped that?

Why does it have to? Why is that the standard for a proposed law?