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So, Did the shooter in Santa Fe, Texas use a shotgun?

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zsu2357 said:
Bet that "assault" M1 carbine is a great skeet gun.:confused:
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I just can't imagine being that stubborn and ignorant that he can't look up the difference and keeps repeating it.
 
jet57 said:
With banana clips and 200 rounds? He would have shot a lot more dude.
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you're telling more lies. You have no idea. You don't even understand that the larger the magazine, the more likely it is to jam. You have no idea how fast someone not taking return fire can reload. In other words, you just make stuff up and hope a few people are as ignorant of firearms and their uses as you are, and thus believes the BS you are purveying
 
jet57 said:
Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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gee Jet-a rifle means a LONG ARM with a rifled barrel/ are you trying to set a record for the most blatantly stupid comments on guns ever accomplished on DP?
 
Maccabee said:
A shotgun is not a rifle because a shotgun doesn't have RIFLING.
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plus under federal regulations-the idiotic 1934 NFA, a rifle may have a barrel as short as 16 inches before you run afoul of the law while a shotgun must have at least an 18 inch barrel or else you need the tax stamp. BTW given I was an all-American skeet shooter, I suspect I know a bit about shotguns. These bald faced lies are just hilarious. Rifles and shotguns are classified as LONG ARMS-under federal law, 18 is the minimum age to buy a LONG ARM or ammo for it.
 
zsu2357 said:
Of course the school don't give the police a list of armed teachers or try to contact them first. Of course the police just charge the doors. You know it helps to think it through before posting.
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What the what?
 
haymarket said:
But in the scenario I provided the teacher killed an innocent kid. There was no killing armed shooter and saving ten to twenty kids.

The answer to the problem of guns is not more problems with more guns. That is not an answer - it is insanity.
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My scenario is the shooter trying to enter the classroom or already has. Armed teacher equals good chance of dead shooter and saving lives.
 
Rucker61 said:
I just can't imagine being that stubborn and ignorant that he can't look up the difference and keeps repeating it.
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I think all they really know is is what they see on TV and what the MSM tells them. It's frustrating as hell isn't it?
 
Rucker61 said:
What is the solution when an active shooter shows up?
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I have long supported the NRA idea that we have professional armed police persons in every school in the nation and have them in numbers proportional to the school population.
 
zsu2357 said:
My scenario is the shooter trying to enter the classroom or already has. Armed teacher equals good chance of dead shooter and saving lives.
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As a teacher who spent 34 years in the classroom, I can tell you from practical experience that such a wet dream of the far right is not at all realistic nor practical and only serves to distract us from real protections and real solutions.
 
haymarket said:
The accident refers to the teacher aiming at a hostile shooter and killing a student by accident. I thought that was easy to understand.

Tell me again what you are going to do for the teacher who shoots a kid accidently resulting in the childs death.
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As I said, counseling. It's how anyone who can't deal with a traumatic event on their own find help.
 
haymarket said:
There is a Grand Canyon of difference between a mentally disturbed teacher wrongly smuggling weapon into a school building, snapping and using it versus a situation where you are teachers as a matter of legal practice and encourage it and then something accidentally goes wrong with that.

If you cannot see that difference - I really don't know how to deal with you.

Liability laws??????:shock::doh:roll: How do they make that teacher sleep at night after accidentally killing the wrong person? Explain how the liability laws remedy that mental burden?
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Teachers in some states can already carry in the classroom.

The hidden, thumbprint gun safes that have been posted as suggestions here several times give a frustrated teacher the time to think before acting.

Good lord, as others pointed out, if teachers snapped and attacked kids, it would certainly be in the news. Where are those stories (even non-gun ones)?

IMO teachers having guns in the classroom would never be mandatory, only voluntary.
 
haymarket said:
The accident refers to the teacher aiming at a hostile shooter and killing a student by accident. I thought that was easy to understand.

Tell me again what you are going to do for the teacher who shoots a kid accidently resulting in the childs death.
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THere are already practices in place in schools for kids to shelter in place.

All they need to do is all hide in a far corner, and then the teacher targets the classroom door no more than 20 feet away. No kids are near that.

The teacher doesnt even need to hit the shooter as he enters...with shots fired at them, it's likely they'll abandon that class and go elsewhere (God forbid, as horrible as that sounds).
 
Lursa said:
THere are already practices in place in schools for kids to shelter in place.

All they need to do is all hide in a far corner, and then the teacher targets the classroom door no more than 20 feet away. No kids are near that.

The teacher doesnt even need to hit the shooter as he enters...with shots fired at them, it's likely they'll abandon that class and go elsewhere (God forbid, as horrible as that sounds).
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My God the rest of the developed world laughs at these ideas
 
haymarket said:
As a teacher who spent 34 years in the classroom, I can tell you from practical experience that such a wet dream of the far right is not at all realistic nor practical and only serves to distract us from real protections and real solutions.
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It's absolutely a real protection.

No other way would stop a shooter IMMEDIATELY upon entering a classroom. The school resource officer(s) cant be there instantaneously. No cop can ever be.

The schools wouldnt force teachers to have a gun in the classroom. The teachers that want to could, using their own (school policy-approved) guns. The kids/parents would NOT be informed which teachers, if any, carried.

We're talking about people that shelter their students with their bodies to protect them...and you would deny them the means to protect themselves and ALL their kids?

They only need very basic training, altho most gun carriers have more...to shoot to cover a doorway 20 feet or less away. Shoot at the doorway. That would likely get the shooter to take off. Teacher could use desk for cover (it would be an added expense for schools to actually make them bullet-proof but that would be great) and only fire towards the door. The kids would all be huddled together in a far corner, far away from the door. NOT anywhere where teacher could accidentally hit them.

We're talking an all or nothing scenario here: shooter enters an undefended classroom and shoots kids/teacher like ducks in a barrel. OR teacher is able to scare shooter away or shoot them.

OR...there's never any need for that teacher to use their gun...most likely scenario.

But of the previous 2...which would you prefer if your kid was in the classroom?
 
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