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So Apparently Merkel Screw-Up BREXIT Too...

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We went through this with David Cameron’s renegotiation in February. He wanted an emergency brake; Merkel made it clear privately she wouldn’t give it to him; so he didn’t ask for it. In the closing stages of the referendum campaign, as he panicked about losing, he thought of asking for it again as a last-minute concession that would keep Britain in the EU. But he decided not to – for the same reason that May won’t ask for it now. He thought Merkel would still say no; his request would be leaked; he would be humiliated. That, he calculated, would be more damaging than failing to try. And he was right. Merkel confirmed to him afterwards that she wouldn’t have given him the brake. Maybe she was just trying to make him feel better about losing the referendum, but I don’t think so.
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This is just too perfect.

I better soon see on West End the play "Merkel, a tragedy in three acts.
 
Define "good".

Merkel will not accept access to the common market without freedom of movement of people.
 
We'll know hat Brexit deal May and cohorts will get, once negotiations on that are finalized.

What it will not be is what the illusionists are whistling in the dark about right now, both to themselves and to the general UK public.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Merkel isn't screwing up Brexit, she's simply clear on the rules that we all know the EU operates under.
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She could have stopped the vote once the elite realized that it was in danger of going bad for them, but she refused.

From a pro EU perspective she made a mistake.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
She could have stopped the vote once the elite realized that it was in danger of going bad for them, but she refused.

From a pro EU perspective she made a mistake.
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A German Chancellor stop the British vote? You realise what you're saying?

Let me put it this way, an American leader (not sure who declares your national referendums) sets out a referendum which all Americans will have a vote on and you suggest the Mexican Leader can stop an American referendum (once the elite realise that it is in danger of going bad for them)
 
Infinite Chaos said:
A German Chancellor stop the British vote? You realise what you're saying?

Let me put it this way, an American leader (not sure who declares your national referendums) sets out a referendum which all Americans will have a vote on and you suggest the Mexican Leader can stop an American referendum (once the elite realise that it is in danger of going bad for them)
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fact or no:

The Brits would have pulled the referendum if they had gotten a special deal on accepting the horde of Muslims.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
fact or no:

The Brits would have pulled the referendum if they had gotten a special deal on accepting the horde of Muslims.
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No.. had nothing to do with the referendum.. yes it was used as part of the fear mongering by the Brexit people, but it had absolutely nothing to do with the referendum or EU.
 
Chagos said:
We'll know hat Brexit deal May and cohorts will get, once negotiations on that are finalized.

What it will not be is what the illusionists are whistling in the dark about right now, both to themselves and to the general UK public.
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Sad thing, I don't think a big percentage of the public would know a good deal, if it smacked them in the face!
 
Only EU citizens have freedom of movement under Schengen, to which Britain has an opt out anyway, and only half or Britain's migrants are European, a lot of them Polish Roman Catholic. "Da Moozlum hordes" are in the other half, nothing to do with Europe, in or out.
 
gunner said:
Sad thing, I don't think a big percentage of the public would know a good deal, if it smacked them in the face!
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That is one of the pitfalls of democracy. The public is often not rational. If you look at the various EU referendums over the years.. almost all of them for the electorate had nothing to do with the EU, but with something domestic. Even the Brexit vote, had more to do with fear of Muslims and outsiders than actual issues with the EU. I remember the 92 Danish referendum, the no there had more to do with not being able to have the Danish Queens face on the coin... a lie told by the anti-EU crowd. Or the classic referendum in Holland in 2005 on the EU constitution... was domestic issues that dominated that referendum, not the EU constitution.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Only EU citizens have freedom of movement under Schengen, to which Britain has an opt out anyway, and only half or Britain's migrants are European, a lot of them Polish Roman Catholic. "Da Moozlum hordes" are in the other half, nothing to do with Europe, in or out.
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Funny how that never came up during the referendum eh?
 
PeteEU said:
That is one of the pitfalls of democracy. The public is often not rational. If you look at the various EU referendums over the years.. almost all of them for the electorate had nothing to do with the EU, but with something domestic. Even the Brexit vote, had more to do with fear of Muslims and outsiders than actual issues with the EU. I remember the 92 Danish referendum, the no there had more to do with not being able to have the Danish Queens face on the coin... a lie told by the anti-EU crowd. Or the classic referendum in Holland in 2005 on the EU constitution... was domestic issues that dominated that referendum, not the EU constitution.
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I don't care what anyone says, the vote was over immigration and freedom of movement. Unfortunately, people could not differentiate between the issues.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Only EU citizens have freedom of movement under Schengen, to which Britain has an opt out anyway, and only half or Britain's migrants are European, a lot of them Polish Roman Catholic. "Da Moozlum hordes" are in the other half, nothing to do with Europe, in or out.
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That's it in a nutshell. Muslim pedophiles from Rotherham have a lot to answer for.
 
gunner said:
That's it in a nutshell. Muslim pedophiles from Rotherham have a lot to answer for.
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You mean those British citizens who abused children in Rotherham are to blame for Brexit?
 
PeteEU said:
You mean those British citizens who abused children in Rotherham are to blame for Brexit?
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Read Mancs post again, then tongue in cheek. But the Muslim rape gangs had a part to play. You probably wouldn't understand how this reverberated through the UK.
 
PeteEU said:
You mean those British citizens who abused children in Rotherham are to blame for Brexit?
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They didn't "abuse children" -- they systematically raped more than 1,000 teenage girls, over a span of years.

Why on Earth would you be motivated to minimize what they did?
 
Harshaw said:
They didn't "abuse children" -- they systematically raped more than 1,000 teenage girls, over a span of years.

Why on Earth would you be motivated to minimize what they did?
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And you got that from my comment? Come on.... The key part was the British part.
 
PeteEU said:
And you got that from my comment? Come on.... The key part was the British part.
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Why, yes, I did, when you call the systematic rape of over 1,000 teenage girls over a period of years "abusing children."
 
PeteEU said:
I never heard it.. but yea there was so many lies and bull**** flying around that I might have missed it.
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Ironically the first reference I fell on was in the Daily Mail! Of course, thye were emphasising doom and disaster because "nearly half" of migrants were from the EU, ignoring the fact that most must therefore come from outside the EU. Brexit couldn't stop the "Muslim hordes", who don't come from Europe anyway.
 
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