Slavery Reparations

[calamity]

When it come to Public Assistance, we need to face the real truth:

Most people who like to harp on how bad Black people are totally miss the fact that so many whites are a complete mess. We have all of Appalachia hooked on opiates. We have suburban white teens driving down "Heroin highways" in their rush to buy drugs in the inner city. We have corporate fraudsters like our president and leading candidate running against him getting free passes for themselves and their kids as they break one law after another...

"But, hey! Let's harp on how bad Black People are!"

 

[calamity]

You seem to be confusing economic privilege with race, the only color privilege shows up as in this country is green not white. It should be obvious even in your own post as "bought his way out of several felonies" has absolutely nothing to do with race.

Whites had a 300 year head start on accumulating that Green thing. No?

White privilege is not having a legacy of slavery and Jim Crow holding grandpa back so that they could inherit a nest egg and other advantages, like friends who could get them good jobs right out of school.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Now that congress has held the hearings, what do you think?

Reparations, in the context of compensation or cash benefit of some kind to descendants of slaves, is one of the biggest mistakes this nation can make.

Coleman Hughes speaking that day probably had the most wise take on all of this.

There is no doubt that minorities tend to face unsafe neighborhoods and lesser schools, more likely to end up with harsher punishments under our criminal justice system, lag behind in just about every healthcare stat we can find, and by economic indication are more likely to end up repeating the outcome of prior generations.

For the most part (just an exception or two, perhaps an omission or two) Hughes was right to point out urban conditions being more guided by legislative efforts and regulation faults that allowed for mainly minority neighborhoods to be left behind well into the 1950's and 1960's, was also right to point out that the US leading the planet in incarceration rates targeting minorities did not really start until the 1980's in terms of the raw numbers and disparity by race we see today, and was right to point out that segregation attitudes was prevalent well into the 1960's causing all sorts of economic and social faults still visible today. "White privilege" is still a thing we can view by plenty of stats, a payment does not really address that.

Not a bit of that is fixed with reparations or a payment, and it is both insulting and demeaning to Black Americans specifically to suggest a government funded financial benefit of some sort will elevate all the sins and impact of them from America's past.

Going down this road does precisely what Hughes suggests, directly damaging the nature of what we have to do to move forward. If we are ever going to beat prejudice in any form it means a "coalition" between all Americans trying to deal with the faults of lingering attitudes and avoid the natural pitfall of reparations which changes the entire thing to a "transaction" between parties still suspicious of one another today.

It defines and victimizes one group as a whole, and applies culpability and responsibility to another group as a whole.

The obligation of citizenship and even community is not about a payment from one to the other, but rather dealing with the systemic faults that promote minorities continuing to lag behind both socially and economically by just about every stat we can find.

That is where our focus should be, the last thing we need is a temporary means of additional system dependence via a check which does nothing for the underline attitude still very much alive in this nation that boils down to one is better than another to the point that we guide the means to ensure the ends. That has to stop or we will never defeat prejudice, and as such reparations will amplify the divisions we still struggle with today.

I sincerely hope we do not go down this road, and it has nothing to do with the attitude of Congressional Republicans nor support for their take on this.

No one is really speaking about it this way but those like Hughes, we should listen.

 

[RealityNow]

Whites had a 300 year head start on accumulating that Green thing. No?

White privilege is not having a legacy of slavery and Jim Crow holding grandpa back so that they could inherit a nest egg and other advantages, like friends who could get them good jobs right out of school.

They ("some White People") are well known over a long history of being devoted to "denying the truth".... !!!!

Heck, just look at FBI Stat's -- they deny that too...

~ In 2017, 68.9 percent of all individuals arrested were White, 27.2 percent were Black or African American, and 3.9 percent were of other races.

~ Of all adults arrested in 2017, 69.5 percent were White, 26.6 percent were Black or African American, and 3.9 percent were of other races.

~ White individuals were arrested more often for violent crimes than individuals of any other race and accounted for 58.5 percent of those arrests.

~ Black or African American juveniles comprised 50.9 percent of all juveniles arrested for violent crimes. White juveniles accounted for 56.2 percent of all juveniles arrested for property crimes.

~ Of juveniles arrested for drug abuse violations, 74.3 percent were White.

Denial won't make "FACT" go away..... !!!!!

 

[RealityNow]

Reparations, in the context of compensation or cash benefit of some kind to descendants of slaves, is one of the biggest mistakes this nation can make.

Coleman Hughes speaking that day probably had the most wise take on all of this.

There is no doubt that minorities tend to face unsafe neighborhoods and lesser schools, more likely to end up with harsher punishments under our criminal justice system, lag behind in just about every healthcare stat we can find, and by economic indication are more likely to end up repeating the outcome of prior generations.

For the most part (just an exception or two, perhaps an omission or two) Hughes was right to point out urban conditions being more guided by legislative efforts and regulation faults that allowed for mainly minority neighborhoods to be left behind well into the 1950's and 1960's, was also right to point out that the US leading the planet in incarceration rates targeting minorities did not really start until the 1980's in terms of the raw numbers and disparity by race we see today, and was right to point out that segregation attitudes was prevalent well into the 1960's causing all sorts of economic and social faults still visible today. "White privilege" is still a thing we can view by plenty of stats, a payment does not really address that.

Not a bit of that is fixed with reparations or a payment, and it is both insulting and demeaning to Black Americans specifically to suggest a government funded financial benefit of some sort will elevate all the sins and impact of them from America's past.

Going down this road does precisely what Hughes suggests, directly damaging the nature of what we have to do to move forward. If we are ever going to beat prejudice in any form it means a "coalition" between all Americans trying to deal with the faults of lingering attitudes and avoid the natural pitfall of reparations which changes the entire thing to a "transaction" between parties still suspicious of one another today.

It defines and victimizes one group as a whole, and applies culpability and responsibility to another group as a whole.

The obligation of citizenship and even community is not about a payment from one to the other, but rather dealing with the systemic faults that promote minorities continuing to lag behind both socially and economically by just about every stat we can find.

That is where our focus should be, the last thing we need is a temporary means of additional system dependence via a check which does nothing for the underline attitude still very much alive in this nation that boils down to one is better than another to the point that we guide the means to ensure the ends. That has to stop or we will never defeat prejudice, and as such reparations will amplify the divisions we still struggle with today.

I sincerely hope we do not go down this road, and it has nothing to do with the attitude of Congressional Republicans nor support for their take on this.

No one is really speaking about it this way but those like Hughes, we should listen.

(No One is Going To Get "A Bag of Money"....) - "money is not the answer to everything"..!!! learn better the ways to repatriate society.

 

[SmartCat]

Most people who like to harp on how bad Black people are totally miss the fact that so many whites are a complete mess. We have all of Appalachia hooked on opiates. We have suburban white teens driving down "Heroin highways" in their rush to buy drugs in the inner city. We have corporate fraudsters like our president and leading candidate running against him getting free passes for themselves and their kids as they break one law after another...

"But, hey! Let's harp on how bad Black People are!"

Blacks have a crime rate that is eight times the white crime rate. Orientals have a lower crime rate than whites. Race matters.

 

[SmartCat]

Reparations, in the context of compensation or cash benefit of some kind to descendants of slaves, is one of the biggest mistakes this nation can make.

Coleman Hughes speaking that day probably had the most wise take on all of this.

There is no doubt that minorities tend to face unsafe neighborhoods and lesser schools, more likely to end up with harsher punishments under our criminal justice system,

Black neighborhoods are unsafe because of the large number of black criminals who live there. Black schools are lesser because of the large number of black juvenile delinquents who attend. Blacks get harsher punishments because they have a crime rate that is eight times the white crime rate.

 

[RealityNow]

Blacks have a crime rate that is eight times the white crime rate. Orientals have a lower crime rate than whites. Race matters.

Learn to research and read.... your bias and denial is showing...

 

[RealityNow]

Black neighborhoods are unsafe because of the large number of black criminals who live there. Black schools are lesser because of the large number of black juvenile delinquents who attend. Blacks get harsher punishments because they have a crime rate that is eight times the white crime rate.

Geez!!!! your "handle" certainly does not reflect your commentary.

 

[OldFatGuy]

Whites had a 300 year head start on accumulating that Green thing. No?

White privilege is not having a legacy of slavery and Jim Crow holding grandpa back so that they could inherit a nest egg and other advantages, like friends who could get them good jobs right out of school.

“If I was white, I think people would respect me more." Said black businessman Mr. P. last week. As a great grandson of Bumpy Natto, the crime lord of Harlem, and facing accusations for embezzlement, fraud and extortion within the Black community, Mr. P might gain some real cred it he didn't pretend with a rap star fake name to be who he is not. The Natto family, free Blacks from the Ivory Coast, arrived in NY harbor during the late 1730's, working in the then nascent fishing industry of Long Island Sound, and later the great whalers berthed in the coves of the North Shore villages, while maintaining a brisk trade in slaves bought in Caribbean ports. Having established family purchases of significant farm lands along the north shore of Long Island, the family continued its shipping interests in contraband during and after the Civil War through WWII, from running blockades against the Confederacy, bringing in European wines and whiskeys during prohibition, and specializing as a source of tax free luxury goods during WWII, the family started prepping it north shore farms for luxury home development for post WWII markets.

If amalgamated, the fortunes of the Natto family would show them to be among the top ten wealthiest families of the US. Like most of the old money families of the US, it has a history of illegally gained fortunes, lawfully gained greater fortunes, and is among the few to have maintained its continuity of wealth throughout the east coast and the Caribbean. A subject of novels and movies based on family members, often painted white for Hollywood consumption, two of those movies starring Clark Gable, another John Wayne, doesn't tell more than a very small bit of the family's exciting and influential history in US finances. Still holding major residential properties on Long Island's north shore gold coast, the family has carefully maintained its privacy, remaining out of the public eye with a legacy of professionals and business people rarely equaled among great American families. It has had its share of black sheep, but what great successful American has not such a legacy?

 

[SmartCat]

Learn to research and read.... your bias and denial is showing...

American blacks are better off than blacks in any black run country in the world. Do you know that means? It means that American blacks benefit from the fact that their ancestors were brought here as slaves. Are whites better off because of the slave trade and slavery? I don't think so.

If you disagree with me explain to me how I benefit from the slave trade, slavery, and discrimination against blacks.

 

[SmartCat]

Black neighborhoods are unsafe because of the large number of black criminals who live there. Black schools are lesser because of the large number of black juvenile delinquents who attend. Blacks get harsher punishments because they have a crime rate that is eight times the white crime rate.

Geez!!!! your "handle" certainly does not reflect your commentary.

What did I say about blacks that is not true?

By the way, I think race wrecked liberalism. Race is the liberal's weakest issue. It is the issue where liberal hypocrisy is flagrant. White liberals praise school integration. Then, if the local public schools have lots of blacks in attendance they move to white school districts or they send their children to white private schools. White blue collar workers, who cannot afford to do that, resent them for that. Can you blame them? How?

The civil rights legislation and the War on Poverty were well intended. The black response to both substantiate conservative arguments against them and has turned the United States into a Republican country. Because I am a Democrat I regret that.

 

[Nap]

Whites had a 300 year head start on accumulating that Green thing. No?

White privilege is not having a legacy of slavery and Jim Crow holding grandpa back so that they could inherit a nest egg and other advantages, like friends who could get them good jobs right out of school.

As a group, yes. I don't see the relevance that has to do with the individual. I wish I had some of these white privileges you presume people had.

 

[RealityNow]

American blacks are better off than blacks in any black run country in the world. Do you know that means? It means that American blacks benefit from the fact that their ancestors were brought here as slaves. Are whites better off because of the slave trade and slavery? I don't think so.

If you disagree with me explain to me how I benefit from the slave trade, slavery, and discrimination against blacks.

Are you crazy... pushing your white nationalist ignorance and delusions of superiority... Blacks are better off because of their collective and individual efforts !!!!, just as any other people in America that originally came from some foreign country.

People like you need to get over your delusion of white superiority, and the vile madness of thinking that America in some ways belongs to white people.

Maybe you better get out and go look around at the volume of destitute whites across this country, who had 100's of years of ancestry who had 'accessibility" just because of their skin color... but still did not make life better for themselves.

Black people never asked white people for anything, other than to be civilized and respect the humanity of "all people", and to respect this country's Declaration of Independence, its Preamble and its Constitution.... as being for and representative of ALL people in America.

But the "Savage Mentality" of SOME white people... can't seem to digest that simplicity, and still lust for the days of their ancestor's race based savage conduct of the past.

Among the most dangerous things in America is a "a group of young white right winger confederate groomed to call themselves conservative males" and "a group of adult white right winger confederate groomed to call themselves conservative males"....

They are a danger to liberal white people, a danger to minorities and a danger to immigrants and a danger to women!!!

 

[calamity]

American blacks are better off than blacks in any black run country in the world. Do you know that means? It means that American blacks benefit from the fact that their ancestors were brought here as slaves. Are whites better off because of the slave trade and slavery? I don't think so.

If you disagree with me explain to me how I benefit from the slave trade, slavery, and discrimination against blacks.

Well, for one is seems to give you someone to look down upon.

 

[RealityNow]

What did I say about blacks that is not true?

By the way, I think race wrecked liberalism. Race is the liberal's weakest issue. It is the issue where liberal hypocrisy is flagrant. White liberals praise school integration. Then, if the local public schools have lots of blacks in attendance they move to white school districts or they send their children to white private schools. White blue collar workers, who cannot afford to do that, resent them for that. Can you blame them? How?

The civil rights legislation and the War on Poverty were well intended. The black response to both substantiate conservative arguments against them and has turned the United States into a Republican country. Because I am a Democrat I regret that.

White Fight is done by both Liberal and Conservative Whites..... current day republican like to claim they are not racist... but we see it continually where the white nationalist, white hate groups, and white right winger confederate minded white evangelicals, all flock to the Republican Party...

When it comes to Real Estate, the values decline when white people move out, as if... its only valuable if white people want to live there. That's an Absurdity that should be abolished in how Real Estate Values are Factored. History in America, has seen decades upon decades of "American Tax Monies" spent to build up and maintain with quality standards, "well to do, and wealthy white dominated communities"..... whereas, poor whites and minorities and immigrant communities did not get their own tax resource money invested in building up their communities.
Thins like making balance to how tax monies service "All" American, is the type of thing that should be involved any "reparating process" for America people.

Poor Whites and Poor Minorities- need desperately in this country to learn more about "Civic Principles" and "Civics Responsibility" and the element of "City Based -Property Standards" as well as "Rural Based - Property Standards should be a course taught in Schools.
Americans... All Across This Nations.... should stand up against "Slum Lord's"... and Demand within the system of Rental Properties, that any property that is put up for rent, MUST meet the "standards HUD has established for Rental Properties... because HUD standards is not suppose to give 'one penny" to a Landlord who's property does not meet the "Livable Standards HUD has established for Properties that can be Rented Under Section 8 or Senior Citizens Housing Allowance".

THINGS PEOPLE SHOULD LEARN -
and about: Multi Family Units

Anyone living in a Rental Property that does not meet these standards, should photograph it, and send it as a formal complaint to the Housing and Urban Development Authorities.... HUD.... will certainly take actions or force the city's property standards to take actions against the "slum lord"...!!!

Then... we can deal with white flight and any other ethnic flight, where whites/blacks or any other who move out and let the properties go down and only want to collect rents, but not maintain the properties they want to use for rental income.

People should consider "Real Truths"... and learn from it, how to make society better for "ALL".

 

[Nap]

White Fight is done by both Liberal and Conservative Whites..... current day republican like to claim they are not racist... but we see it continually where the white nationalist, white hate groups, and white right winger confederate minded white evangelicals, all flock to the Republican Party...

When it comes to Real Estate, the values decline when white people move out, as if... its only valuable if white people want to live there. That's an Absurdity that should be abolished in how Real Estate Values are Factored. History in America, has seen decades upon decades of "American Tax Monies" spent to build up and maintain with quality standards, "well to do, and wealthy white dominated communities"..... whereas, poor whites and minorities and immigrant communities did not get their own tax resource money invested in building up their communities.
Thins like making balance to how tax monies service "All" American, is the type of thing that should be involved any "reparating process" for America people.

Poor Whites and Poor Minorities- need desperately in this country to learn more about "Civic Principles" and "Civics Responsibility" and the element of "City Based -Property Standards" as well as "Rural Based - Property Standards should be a course taught in Schools.
Americans... All Across This Nations.... should stand up against "Slum Lord's"... and Demand within the system of Rental Properties, that any property that is put up for rent, MUST meet the "standards HUD has established for Rental Properties... because HUD standards is not suppose to give 'one penny" to a Landlord who's property does not meet the "Livable Standards HUD has established for Properties that can be Rented Under Section 8 or Senior Citizens Housing Allowance".

THINGS PEOPLE SHOULD LEARN -
and about: Multi Family Units

Anyone living in a Rental Property that does not meet these standards, should photograph it, and send it as a formal complaint to the Housing and Urban Development Authorities.... HUD.... will certainly take actions or force the city's property standards to take actions against the "slum lord"...!!!

Then... we can deal with white flight and any other ethnic flight, where whites/blacks or any other who move out and let the properties go down and only want to collect rents, but not maintain the properties they want to use for rental income.

People should consider "Real Truths"... and learn from it, how to make society better for "ALL".

Value is determined by supply and demand, since supply is unchanging in real estate then the value is largely is going to be determined by demand so if a large portion of society does not want to live in a particular area then of course the value is going to drop. If you want to attract people to a certain area you will have to do 1 of 2 things: make the area better to attract potential buyers, or lower the price.

 

[RealityNow]

Value is determined by supply and demand, since supply is unchanging in real estate then the value is largely is going to be determined by demand so if a large portion of society does not want to live in a particular area then of course the value is going to drop. If you want to attract people to a certain area you will have to do 1 of 2 things: make the area better to attract potential buyers, or lower the price.

Multiple Things To Think About

Another thing i think people over-look... is the massive volumes of "cities" across this country, that "no longer have multiple major industries" within them... Resulting in people being led to work at "low wage service level jobs".... that does not pay enough to buy a home, and other who may have a home they previously bought when there was industry, no longer have income that supports the "maintenance cost up keep those homes serviced and up to quality standards".

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I watched even in California, communities fall... not because of white flight, or well to do black flight... but because the AeroSpace Industry Left... I watched in the 1970's the exodus of GoodYear Tire Plant, and Firestone Tire Plant... simply "close"!! and devastated communities that were once "well kept". I watched small "foundry's" close or go out of business.... then we all saw during the 1980's every kind of category of "repair shop" one can think of that went out of business, because of "disposable products".... Even Sears use to have a robust "Repair Service Business".... and then there were auto makers... who once made a standard within their business model, to sell "replacement parts" that was a standard part of all auto manufacture for many decades.

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I've watched "gentrification" come and 'retake communities" and elevate the home pricing beyond the reach of even the people who still live there, who could not afford their home based on what cost were elevated by gentrification.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sad things that hit some "retiree's" was the game of "Reverse Mortgage".... That is a scam that should have been outlawed before it was allowed in place.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Some of did not know how well we had it in our youthful years... when the land and the home was paid for in "many small towns"... and during the 1970's and forward, many people left those small towns and some even abandoned the property and the structure on it.... only to find out 40+ yrs later.. They had what their ancestry worked hard to buy and own... There are people today, leaving big cities... and have to 'repurchase land" because they did not protect and retain the land, their family originally owned.
I think in the coming years... more people are going to move back to the "South"... because of the lower cost of land, and the cost of living... and more people in the south will come to realize the rich and fertile soils of the south, with natural rainfall... as being prime for "farming"....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
There are many black people who's ancestry owned a lot of acreage in various locations in the South... That land will increase in value over the next decade... the same will take place with many whites who left the south, some of whom left because they did not like the racism and prejudice that was common within their family... and they went away to college and wanted nothing to do with anything that reminded them of the race bias system and household some of them grew up in.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
In America... if people are truthful about their history... there are many white families that have black family members, and many black families that have white family members...
these 'DNA" programs that people use today.. are making much known to many, of which they have long been denying and some never wanted to know the real truth of their blood line and its ethnic mixtures...

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So... much is going to change in "every aspect of America"... as the "TRUTH" is being uncovered in ways that people can't deny, and those who try to deny it, will only make themselves consumed with the ignorance that denial invokes within themselves.

 

[gdgyva]

White Fight is done by both Liberal and Conservative Whites..... current day republican like to claim they are not racist... but we see it continually where the white nationalist, white hate groups, and white right winger confederate minded white evangelicals, all flock to the Republican Party...

When it comes to Real Estate, the values decline when white people move out, as if... its only valuable if white people want to live there. That's an Absurdity that should be abolished in how Real Estate Values are Factored. History in America, has seen decades upon decades of "American Tax Monies" spent to build up and maintain with quality standards, "well to do, and wealthy white dominated communities"..... whereas, poor whites and minorities and immigrant communities did not get their own tax resource money invested in building up their communities.
Thins like making balance to how tax monies service "All" American, is the type of thing that should be involved any "reparating process" for America people.

Poor Whites and Poor Minorities- need desperately in this country to learn more about "Civic Principles" and "Civics Responsibility" and the element of "City Based -Property Standards" as well as "Rural Based - Property Standards should be a course taught in Schools.
Americans... All Across This Nations.... should stand up against "Slum Lord's"... and Demand within the system of Rental Properties, that any property that is put up for rent, MUST meet the "standards HUD has established for Rental Properties... because HUD standards is not suppose to give 'one penny" to a Landlord who's property does not meet the "Livable Standards HUD has established for Properties that can be Rented Under Section 8 or Senior Citizens Housing Allowance".

THINGS PEOPLE SHOULD LEARN -
and about: Multi Family Units

Anyone living in a Rental Property that does not meet these standards, should photograph it, and send it as a formal complaint to the Housing and Urban Development Authorities.... HUD.... will certainly take actions or force the city's property standards to take actions against the "slum lord"...!!!

Then... we can deal with white flight and any other ethnic flight, where whites/blacks or any other who move out and let the properties go down and only want to collect rents, but not maintain the properties they want to use for rental income.

People should consider "Real Truths"... and learn from it, how to make society better for "ALL".

When it comes to Real Estate, the values decline when white people move out, as if... its only valuable if white people want to live there. That's an Absurdity that should be abolished in how Real Estate Values are Factored. History in America, has seen decades upon decades of "American Tax Monies" spent to build up and maintain with quality standards, "well to do, and wealthy white dominated communities"..... whereas, poor whites and minorities and immigrant communities did not get their own tax resource money invested in building up their communities.


tax money comes from the millage rate which is set by the property values

how do want to change this?

what is your proposal? a piece of crap property that no one wants to live in can only collect x tax....

while a nice neighborhood with good schools will have good property values and higher tax rates....and lead to better communities

i have paid 100k more for a house because i knew my kids would go to better schools....and i bet i am far from the only parents who think that way

prices go up because more people WANT to live there....and prices go down in the bad neighborhoods because NO ONE wants to live there

this isnt rocket science....this is supply and demand....happens with nearly everything in our economy

 

[jaeger19]

Not sure what you refer to. If you mean that slavery is what lead to the disintegration of the black family, it's not true. The black family and black community was quite healthy right up until the 60s. Most black children were in two parent households from reconstruction until the War on Poverty.

If LBJ weren't so intent on "helping" blacks by buying their votes they'd be much better off now. If reparations are due for that then Democrats should be the ones to pay it.

Just so you know.. the war on poverty did no such thing. Its a common myth.

 

[RealityNow]

When it comes to Real Estate, the values decline when white people move out, as if... its only valuable if white people want to live there. That's an Absurdity that should be abolished in how Real Estate Values are Factored. History in America, has seen decades upon decades of "American Tax Monies" spent to build up and maintain with quality standards, "well to do, and wealthy white dominated communities"..... whereas, poor whites and minorities and immigrant communities did not get their own tax resource money invested in building up their communities.


tax money comes from the millage rate which is set by the property values

how do want to change this?

what is your proposal? a piece of crap property that no one wants to live in can only collect x tax....

while a nice neighborhood with good schools will have good property values and higher tax rates....and lead to better communities

i have paid 100k more for a house because i knew my kids would go to better schools....and i bet i am far from the only parents who think that way

prices go up because more people WANT to live there....and prices go down in the bad neighborhoods because NO ONE wants to live there

this isnt rocket science....this is supply and demand....happens with nearly everything in our economy

I understand it and its true..... My concern is "how do we fix it"... where regardless of skin color... that communities can remain with value.

an idea that can help all American's for the Future Generations...

 

[jaeger19]

It entirely explains the problem they wish to address by claiming reparations are due. They claim that the reason black people struggle in modern society is because of slavery, which causes them to have all of their children out of wedlock, or something.

No..they are right that slavery and the resultant and continued racism.. has caused them to struggle more than other people. Which is true.

 

[Nap]

Multiple Things To Think About

Another thing i think people over-look... is the massive volumes of "cities" across this country, that "no longer have multiple major industries" within them... Resulting in people being led to work at "low wage service level jobs".... that does not pay enough to buy a home, and other who may have a home they previously bought when there was industry, no longer have income that supports the "maintenance cost up keep those homes serviced and up to quality standards".

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I watched even in California, communities fall... not because of white flight, or well to do black flight... but because the AeroSpace Industry Left... I watched in the 1970's the exodus of GoodYear Tire Plant, and Firestone Tire Plant... simply "close"!! and devastated communities that were once "well kept". I watched small "foundry's" close or go out of business.... then we all saw during the 1980's every kind of category of "repair shop" one can think of that went out of business, because of "disposable products".... Even Sears use to have a robust "Repair Service Business".... and then there were auto makers... who once made a standard within their business model, to sell "replacement parts" that was a standard part of all auto manufacture for many decades.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I've watched "gentrification" come and 'retake communities" and elevate the home pricing beyond the reach of even the people who still live there, who could not afford their home based on what cost were elevated by gentrification.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sad things that hit some "retiree's" was the game of "Reverse Mortgage".... That is a scam that should have been outlawed before it was allowed in place.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Some of did not know how well we had it in our youthful years... when the land and the home was paid for in "many small towns"... and during the 1970's and forward, many people left those small towns and some even abandoned the property and the structure on it.... only to find out 40+ yrs later.. They had what their ancestry worked hard to buy and own... There are people today, leaving big cities... and have to 'repurchase land" because they did not protect and retain the land, their family originally owned.
I think in the coming years... more people are going to move back to the "South"... because of the lower cost of land, and the cost of living... and more people in the south will come to realize the rich and fertile soils of the south, with natural rainfall... as being prime for "farming"....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
There are many black people who's ancestry owned a lot of acreage in various locations in the South... That land will increase in value over the next decade... the same will take place with many whites who left the south, some of whom left because they did not like the racism and prejudice that was common within their family... and they went away to college and wanted nothing to do with anything that reminded them of the race bias system and household some of them grew up in.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
In America... if people are truthful about their history... there are many white families that have black family members, and many black families that have white family members...
these 'DNA" programs that people use today.. are making much known to many, of which they have long been denying and some never wanted to know the real truth of their blood line and its ethnic mixtures...

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So... much is going to change in "every aspect of America"... as the "TRUTH" is being uncovered in ways that people can't deny, and those who try to deny it, will only make themselves consumed with the ignorance that denial invokes within themselves.

The whole "gentrification" thing puzzles me. So if white people leave an area that has a population of black people it is white flight and is racist (something I agree with), but yet if white people move into an area with a substantial black population it is also racist. At some point people need to choose one way or the other because as it stands no matter what white people choose to do they are racist (which is likely the point for many that make those kinds of arguments).

 

[RealityNow]

The whole "gentrification" thing puzzles me. So if white people leave an area that has a population of black people it is white flight and is racist (something I agree with), but yet if white people move into an area with a substantial black population it is also racist. At some point people need to choose one way or the other because as it stands no matter what white people choose to do they are racist (which is likely the point for many that make those kinds of arguments).

I don't think its racist... that white people move into an areas that is substantial black population... I think the matter for black people is the difference in the 'economic capabilities" of the white people who move in; and the fact that banks will lend to white people far quicker and with a high loan limit than they will for black people; thus so..the black people know... if the young urban professional white people move in, generally the cost of things in the community will go up, and they don't have the same capital or access to capital to meet the higher cost that will result over time.

It's a very challenging scenario... but its "a monetary thing" more than a race bias thing.

 

[Glitch]

After the Civil War they were promised 40acres and a mule.I think section 8 housing and an Obama phone have been more than enough.

After the Civil War Congress passed a reparations bill, sponsored by Republican House Representative Thaddeus Stevens of Pennsylvania, that gave freed slaves 40 acres and a mule in 1867. However, the impeached Democrat President Andrew Johnson vetoed the bill and returned the confiscated land back to their Democrat Confederate owners.

There can never be a reparation bill for slavery now, since the US Constitution specifically prohibits retroactive laws.