Should Trump Be Impeached?

[radcen]

Wow!!!! If that is the case why didn't Clinton and Obama get impeached for the same discrepancies...wait Clinton did get impeached for lying under oath.

THAT could very well end up being Trump's impeachment downfall. If he gets called to testify over something. The man believes he is way too smart to get caught in a lie.

 

[Perotista]

Trump was elected as a radical outsider, somebody who was neither partisan nor ideologue, and who had a track record of solving big problems and getting things done. Somebody who didn't just throw up his hands and walk away when Plan A failed but who regrouped and came back with a Plan B.

He was our best shot at breaking the steel grip of the permanent political class in Washington--both Democrats and GOP--who don't WANT to interfere with the status quo because it is how they increase their power, prestige, influence, and personal wealth while throwing the people just enough meager bones to keep themselves in power.

It was our best shot at getting political appointees who would work as public servants and/or actually do their jobs.

It was our best shot at saving the Supreme Court from those who would use it to accomplish radical activism.

It was our best shot at cleaning up the massive bureaucracy in Washington that consumes ever more of our resources while imposing more and more of itself on our daily lives.

It was our best shot at getting the nation back on track with a strong economy, liberty with our language, culture, and borders defended and strengthened.

We didn't count on the depths of pettiness and hatred from the left, however, or how strongly even the GOP in Washington would resist having their gravy train messed with in any way. So Trump has not been allowed a single day of any kind of honeymoon period and is not cut any slack in anything. He is smarter, tougher, and stronger than the average bear when it comes to problem solving, but I am more and more afraid that he will not be allowed to show us what can be done ever.

And it will be back to the status quo and the continued slow decline of America. And those making it so will have theirs and be long gone before the house of cards they have built collapses under its own weight and whoever is unlucky enough to be in power at that time will get all the blame.

Nice speech. It really doesn't matter if you're correct or not. It either has gotten to a point or that point is fast approaching where Trump isn't going to be able to get anything done. Trump in my opinion never really had the support of that many. He won primary after primary with 30-35% of the vote, then the bandwagon effect took hold once it became apparent he was going to win. He ended up with a total of 40% of GOP primary votes cast.

Trump did have the largest support faction within the GOP which started out with 17 candidates. He won. He also won the general with 46% of the vote, even though his opponent received 48%. The quirks of the electoral college. Give the guy credit, he was able to win even though more people wanted someone else in both the primaries and general. Trump entered the presidency without the normal support that would have been given to almost any other candidate. Even his own party was luke warm to him. Like I said, many lifelong and loyal Republicans don't look upon Trump as one of them.

Fact is in Washington, one needs a team and the team needs to perform as a team, to function as a team. If it doesn't, you're seeing the results. Trump entered as anti establishment, pretty much a loner without a team to back him up. Even Tom Brady can't win a super bowl without his team mates and his team backing him up to the hilt.

Trump could still salvage this, if he ditches twitter, watches his mouth, gets his story straight with his staff so we don't get four different stories from them and then have all four contradicted by Trump himself. Either Trump learns the inner workings of Washington real fast and becomes a very savvy politician, if he doesn't he is on the way to irrelevance.

 

[Perotista]

He's like the JV player playing against the pros after he pissed off his teammates.

LOL, you know, I couldn't have come up with a better example.

 

[upsideguy]

Nice speech. It really doesn't matter if you're correct or not. It either has gotten to a point or that point is fast approaching where Trump isn't going to be able to get anything done. Trump in my opinion never really had the support of that many. He won primary after primary with 30-35% of the vote, then the bandwagon effect took hold once it became apparent he was going to win. He ended up with a total of 40% of GOP primary votes cast.

Trump did have the largest support faction within the GOP which started out with 17 candidates. He won. He also won the general with 46% of the vote, even though his opponent received 48%. The quirks of the electoral college. Give the guy credit, he was able to win even though more people wanted someone else in both the primaries and general. Trump entered the presidency without the normal support that would have been given to almost any other candidate. Even his own party was luke warm to him. Like I said, many lifelong and loyal Republicans don't look upon Trump as one of them.

Fact is in Washington, one needs a team and the team needs to perform as a team, to function as a team. If it doesn't, you're seeing the results. Trump entered as anti establishment, pretty much a loner without a team to back him up. Even Tom Brady can't win a super bowl without his team mates and his team backing him up to the hilt.

Trump could still salvage this, if he ditches twitter, watches his mouth, gets his story straight with his staff so we don't get four different stories from them and then have all four contradicted by Trump himself. Either Trump learns the inner workings of Washington real fast and becomes a very savvy politician, if he doesn't he is on the way to irrelevance.

As of right now, we are well beyond the point where Trump can get anything done.

He can change that if he can stabilize the current situation (stop it from getting any worse), develop a clear, consistent and truthful narrative that substantially answers the questions at hand, allows (even endorses) the Mueller investigation to continue without impediment and pivots to real issues, he has a chance to get back to the point where he might be able to get something done. However, the steps to get there are a rather tall order for Trump.

As to Trump and "irrelevance", at this point, he would aspire to "irrelevance" and away from his name being synonymous with being a dark moment in American political history.

BTW... an nice assessment of Trump's election. IMHO, Trump's biggest mistake post-election was failing to recognize that he was elected with a minority. Rather than working to broaden his base post election by going more centrist, he tacked hard to the right. He seemed to want to FU to the voters who did not vote for him (and relish in it). That will be much to his chagrin, as it only narrowed his otherwise narrow support and now he have few friends (and fewer each day).

 

[Glowpun]

Should Trump be impeached? *WARNING*! If you vote yes, you have to say specifically what offense he committed that he should be impeached for.

obstruction of justice based on what has been reported from various sources including the W.H. itself.

Trump has always presented himself as being pro-Russian, antidemocratic by stance, his very close relationship with Flynn who as we know now had been at least compromised by the Russians, and his attempts to undermine the separation of powers among the three branches. Statements quoted by him has made it very obvious that he does have an untoward relationship with the Russians.

It is possible he even could be a traitor in waiting.

It should have become to most Americans, even among some of his supporters, that Trump does have a problem that must be effectively dealt with for the good of the country.

 

[radcen]

Nice speech. It really doesn't matter if you're correct or not. It either has gotten to a point or that point is fast approaching where Trump isn't going to be able to get anything done. Trump in my opinion never really had the support of that many. He won primary after primary with 30-35% of the vote, then the bandwagon effect took hold once it became apparent he was going to win. He ended up with a total of 40% of GOP primary votes cast.

Trump did have the largest support faction within the GOP which started out with 17 candidates. He won. He also won the general with 46% of the vote, even though his opponent received 48%. The quirks of the electoral college. Give the guy credit, he was able to win even though more people wanted someone else in both the primaries and general. Trump entered the presidency without the normal support that would have been given to almost any other candidate. Even his own party was luke warm to him. Like I said, many lifelong and loyal Republicans don't look upon Trump as one of them.

Fact is in Washington, one needs a team and the team needs to perform as a team, to function as a team. If it doesn't, you're seeing the results. Trump entered as anti establishment, pretty much a loner without a team to back him up. Even Tom Brady can't win a super bowl without his team mates and his team backing him up to the hilt.

Trump could still salvage this, if he ditches twitter, watches his mouth, gets his story straight with his staff so we don't get four different stories from them and then have all four contradicted by Trump himself. Either Trump learns the inner workings of Washington real fast and becomes a very savvy politician, if he doesn't he is on the way to irrelevance.

Excellent post. IMO, there are three primary factors that got Trump elected...

1) The Dems had a horrible candidate and ran a horrible campaign. They thought they could phone it in. They were wrong.

2) Trump, for all his boneheadedness, did one thing masterfully... he appealed to the forgotten demographic, the middle-aged white male voter. Dems pretty much openly shunned them. Well, guess what, middle-aged white males vote, too, and they did. I believe the combination of Dems telling them they were now irrelevant and Trump saying they weren't, and that he would address their needs and concerns, is what tipped the balance.

3) The people are becoming ready to start rejecting the status quo, and they did here, and this is why Trump survived the primaries. Unfortunately, it wasn't somebody competent, it was a snake oil salesman.

 

[FieldTheorist]

Should Trump be impeached? *WARNING*! If you vote yes, you have to say specifically what offense he committed that he should be impeached for.

This isn't a yes/no question. If it can be proven up to the standards of our legal system that Trump told Comey to stop investigating Flynn after a complete & thorough investigation by Mueller, then he will be impeached. There's a high probability that Trump committed obstruction of justice, and given how few friends he's made over the last two years, he almost certainly will not survive once/if that process starts. And if it can additionally be determined that the reason Trump obstructed is because he has extra-legal relations with Russia, then Trump will be staring down some very serious accusations.

 

[slick]

That may be true for some but trump has many loyal followers that would likely not vote for anyone involved in impeaching trump.

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Good post! Trump supporters are extremely loyal and if any of the wannabe Presidents on the Republican
side favor impeachment Rubio, Kasich, McCain or Ryan they will never win the presidency because they
will be shunned by Trump loyalists many of whom are not doctinaire Republicans in the first place,
insuring a Democrat president in 2020, I think they know that
and reluctantly stick with Trump. 2/3 of senate 67 would have to vote for impeachment & the 20
republicans needed to bolt will find it impossible to do so.

Remember the only president who would have been impeached was the only 2 term president who
never had his party in the majority in either the house or the senate. Trump does not have that problem

 

[holbritter]

Judging from the mountain of garbage the FBI is currently sifting through, an offense worthy of impeachment is surely just around the corner...

Comey to testify Trump tried to influence him: report | TheHill

How would they know what he's going to say?

 

[Crovax]

A special counsel's job is to be summoned to investigate a specific crime, not "we don't like the president so go find something". Trump is already 100% correct when he says it's a witch hunt.

Yes it is a witch hunt and of course Trump knows exactly what a witch hunt looks like because he led one against both Obama and Hillary.

 

[holbritter]

I voted "other" since there is no proof of anything. Kind of jumping ahead of the investigation.

 

[cpwill]

Should Trump be impeached? *WARNING*! If you vote yes, you have to say specifically what offense he committed that he should be impeached for.

No. Trump should not be impeached. The American people deserve this.

 

[Perotista]

As of right now, we are well beyond the point where Trump can get anything done.

He can change that if he can stabilize the current situation (stop it from getting any worse), develop a clear, consistent and truthful narrative that substantially answers the questions at hand, allows (even endorses) the Mueller investigation to continue without impediment and pivots to real issues, he has a chance to get back to the point where he might be able to get something done. However, the steps to get there are a rather tall order for Trump.

As to Trump and "irrelevance", at this point, he would aspire to "irrelevance" and away from his name being synonymous with being a dark moment in American political history.

BTW... an nice assessment of Trump's election. IMHO, Trump's biggest mistake post-election was failing to recognize that he was elected with a minority. Rather than working to broaden his base post election by going more centrist, he tacked hard to the right. He seemed to want to FU to the voters who did not vote for him (and relish in it). That will be much to his chagrin, as it only narrowed his otherwise narrow support and now he have few friends (and fewer each day).

Yep. I found it interesting that in the last two weeks leading up to the general election, Trump did ditch twitter and stayed on message. According to the exit polling, those who made up their minds during the last two weeks of the campaign went for Trump 49-41 over Clinton with 10% voting third party. In other words, Trump began to act presidential and imparted his message and people listened.

Then after he won, out the window went acting presidential and back came twitter. Back came the name calling like a 5 year old who hadn't been taught any manners and his arrogant blustering. Trump has never tried to unite the Republican Party behind let alone the nation once he won. I really doubt Trump can get his act together, that seems beneath his capability. Yet he did exactly that for 2 weeks. So who knows. Perhaps the biggest question is, if Trump did get someone who knows Washington and the political realities, how to act and how to respond on his staff, would he listen to them? My guess, Trump is going to be Trump even if it ruins his presidency.

 

[JamesBY]

Trump can be impeached for bring disrepute and disrespect on the Office of t he Presidency.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Yet that's all he's done, so far, is run away at the slightest opposition.

And how do we know he always fights for Plan B? He's never had this level of scrutiny in his business dealings. He is a master self-promoter, I'll grant that. How do we know his non-political image isn't carefully crafted so that all we ever saw were the successes? The only reason we know about his BKs are because they're high-profile and public record.

It's very likely that he cut-and-ran from a lot of deals before when they got difficult, but we never saw them because he didn't show them to us, and no one then cared enough to pay attention. Difference between then and now, is that now there are outsiders, people he can't control, paying attention and reporting what he does without his personal filter. Sure, he attempts to head it off, and his "fake news" mantra does reel in the Suckers, but everyone else is watching this and saying, "Are you serious?"

Spoken like a true Trump hater. Congratulations. You got the talking points memo down pretty much word for word while pretending you posted anything of substance to back up your diatribe.

 

[Verax]

How would they know what he's going to say?

I dunno, maybe they're all making stuff up. Maybe people have talked to people and the message has made it's way from Comey to TheHill through a series of intermediaries.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Nice speech. It really doesn't matter if you're correct or not. It either has gotten to a point or that point is fast approaching where Trump isn't going to be able to get anything done. Trump in my opinion never really had the support of that many. He won primary after primary with 30-35% of the vote, then the bandwagon effect took hold once it became apparent he was going to win. He ended up with a total of 40% of GOP primary votes cast.

Trump did have the largest support faction within the GOP which started out with 17 candidates. He won. He also won the general with 46% of the vote, even though his opponent received 48%. The quirks of the electoral college. Give the guy credit, he was able to win even though more people wanted someone else in both the primaries and general. Trump entered the presidency without the normal support that would have been given to almost any other candidate. Even his own party was luke warm to him. Like I said, many lifelong and loyal Republicans don't look upon Trump as one of them.

Fact is in Washington, one needs a team and the team needs to perform as a team, to function as a team. If it doesn't, you're seeing the results. Trump entered as anti establishment, pretty much a loner without a team to back him up. Even Tom Brady can't win a super bowl without his team mates and his team backing him up to the hilt.

Trump could still salvage this, if he ditches twitter, watches his mouth, gets his story straight with his staff so we don't get four different stories from them and then have all four contradicted by Trump himself. Either Trump learns the inner workings of Washington real fast and becomes a very savvy politician, if he doesn't he is on the way to irrelevance.

I'm pretty sure that there are still more than 60 million of us who want President Trump to succeed.

 

[Perotista]

Excellent post. IMO, there are three primary factors that got Trump elected...

1) The Dems had a horrible candidate and ran a horrible campaign. They thought they could phone it in. They were wrong.

2) Trump, for all his boneheadedness, did one thing masterfully... he appealed to the forgotten demographic, the middle-aged white male voter. Dems pretty much openly shunned them. Well, guess what, middle-aged white males vote, too, and they did. I believe the combination of Dems telling them they were now irrelevant and Trump saying they weren't, and that he would address their needs and concerns, is what tipped the balance.

3) The people are becoming ready to start rejecting the status quo, and they did here, and this is why Trump survived the primaries. Unfortunately, it wasn't somebody competent, it was a snake oil salesman.

I agree, the Democrats nominated about the only candidate, Democrat even, alive or dead that could possibly lose to Trump. That was their problem as I see it, although the result was a Trump victory. Perhaps Clinton thought there were super electors like there was super delegates. Hillary sure didn't work at getting elected. 116 campaign appearances for Trump from 1 Sept to 8 Nov vs. 71 for Hillary and some of those were fund raisers in deep blue California and New York. Trump never took a day off, Hillary several. This lack of hard work probably caused her the election among other things.

Speaking of white middle class voters, Obama won the union house hold vote by 18 points in 2012, Clinton by 9. But middle class voters went to Romney by 6, Trump won them only by 3. That brings me to Sanders supporters who thought the Democratic primaries rigged in Hillary's favor. Two things there about them, the democratic base went for Clinton 89-8 over Trump, Sanders supporters went for Clinton 65-22 with 13% voting third party. Obama won the 18-29 year olds by 23 points over Romney. This young group which included quite a lot of Sanders supporters went to Clinton by 16 points. Perhaps the rigged primaries did come back to haunt the Democrats?

 

[Moderate Right]

Not by a Republican majority senate. That would be political suicide and they know it.

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However, it would be political suicide if Trump actually did something impeachable and the Senate did nothing about it.

 

[Moderate Right]

Don't get me wrong - I suspect there will be ample legal basis for impeachment with Obstruction of Justice on that list.

My personal opinion however is that Trump must be removed today and barring that, ASAP before he ruins this country and harms the American people more than he already has and I really don't care what the reason is or the exact methodology used to achieve that goal as long as its legal.

That's just your rabid liberalness saying that.

 

[Moderate Right]

That remains to be seen. Many would likely see Pence as an improvement.

I think just about everyone on the right would take Pence as an improvement.

 

[Moderate Right]

The problem there is that Pence was elected along with Trump as a product of the same illegitimate Russian interference in the election and with the aid of the same people who used that interference get the ticket elected. If Trump has to go as a result of the Russian scandal - Pence if part and parcel of that same ticket.

What Russian interference? Their is zero proof that anything Russia did changed the election results. Until someone can prove that Russia's meddling actually changed the election results, both Trump and Pence were legitimately elected. If Trump goes then Pence is president.

 

[reinoe]

Donald Trump looks like someone with a lot to hide - Chicago Tribune

You obviously either haven't been following the news.

Trump, as president, has every right to fire the FBI director for any reason at all. I've heard of and have seen people getting fired for stealing company resources. McCabe is on record as saying that the FBI was already well resourced.. If Trump felt the Russian investigation was a waste of time and resources then he's fine to fire him, but Trump could fire Comey for literally any reason, up to and including because Comey wanted to expand the investigation. The Russian investigation was neither a civil nor criminal investigation. It was an intelligence investigation and therefore there was no "justice" to obstruct.

I could not possibly care less about the opinions of the MSM and I'm not surprised that Trump haters are now embracing "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about". After pretending to be champions of civil rights, they are now comfortable with police getting unlimited investigative power even without probable cause. The hypocrisy is not even surprising anymore. There are only about 4-5 defenders of civil liberties left in the government.

 

[JamesBY]

I agree, the Democrats nominated about the only candidate, Democrat even, alive or dead that could possibly lose to Trump. That was their problem as I see it, although the result was a Trump victory. Perhaps Clinton thought there were super electors like there was super delegates. Hillary sure didn't work at getting elected. 116 campaign appearances for Trump from 1 Sept to 8 Nov vs. 71 for Hillary and some of those were fund raisers in deep blue California and New York. Trump never took a day off, Hillary several. This lack of hard work probably caused her the election among other things.

Speaking of white middle class voters, Obama won the union house hold vote by 18 points in 2012, Clinton by 9. But middle class voters went to Romney by 6, Trump won them only by 3. That brings me to Sanders supporters who thought the Democratic primaries rigged in Hillary's favor. Two things there about them, the democratic base went for Clinton 89-8 over Trump, Sanders supporters went for Clinton 65-22 with 13% voting third party. Obama won the 18-29 year olds by 23 points over Romney. This young group which included quite a lot of Sanders supporters went to Clinton by 16 points. Perhaps the rigged primaries did come back to haunt the Democrats?

Good analysis. Your conclusion seems reasonable.

 

[Moderate Right]

You are still very very embarrassed that your party lost the 2016 race, huh.

Wouldn't you be if you were in their shoes? I mean Hillary ran up against the most unpopular nominee in the entire history of the country and lost. Life doesn't get any more humiliating than that.