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39.5 million Californians and 0.6 million Vermonters should have the same representation in the Senate?
Make your case and I will read it.
39.5 million Californians and 0.6 million Vermonters should have the same representation in the Senate?
In the coming decades, the liberals will probably abolish the Electoral College and the Senate.
Presidents will be elected by popular vote, and the House will be the sole legislative branch.
Like it or not, the future belongs to the liberals.
Those Americans who do not like it will have to grin and bear it or emigrate.
39.5 million Californians and 0.6 million Vermonters should have the same representation in the Senate?
You appear to have mis-read. Nowhere did I state that in our current system of government power is equally distributed among all members of the population .
Make your case and I will read it.
Case? What case? I'm asking you whether you are okay with 39.5 million Californians and 0.6 million Vermonters having the same representation in the Senate.
Yes, exactly.
Democratic rule - ie mob rule - had never existed as a form of government. The Founders did NOT want a centralized Federal government and did NOT want direct election mob rule.
The system they designed was based upon the country being a union of states that were largely autonomous. The reason for the Senate and the electoral college is exactly so that Californians can not control the people and government of Vermont.
But it is clear that the Democratic Party and certainly the super rich corporations who want to control all of earth truly HATE diversity. Totally. They demand that everyone in every state, every city and town - you and I - all are required to act and be 100% identical. There can be NO regional differences, no people can decide the rules and laws they want for their community.
Rather, everyone and everywhere must be controlled by an all-powerful federal fascist police state. For this, all individuality and all diversity must be totally crushed. This includes making all state and local government merely subdivisions of the federal government.
Why this won't happen is because state governments will not agree to eliminate themselves, which is what such a constitutional amendment would take. It is unlikely Vermont's legislature would vote that Californian's should control and steal whatever they want from their state.
I will be happy to examine your position that it should not be if you simply provide the case for it.
I myself have given you my position. Do you disagree with it?
I don't have a position regarding the Senate.
What was your position regarding the fairness of the Senate?
Then why would you start a thread if you do not have a position?
Because I asked your opinion and you told me to start a thread.
So what's your position regarding the fairness of the Senate?
And I gave you my opinion.
In the coming decades, the liberals will probably abolish the Electoral College and the Senate.
Presidents will be elected by popular vote, and the House will be the sole legislative branch.
Like it or not, the future belongs to the liberals.
Those Americans who do not like it will have to grin and bear it or emigrate.
Right. But if you consider it fair that 39.5 million Californians and 0.6 million Vermonters both get 2 legislative votes in the Senate, how do you square this with your opinion that it's unfair that Vermont gets more electors per person than California does? That seems inconsistent.
They are two different things.
Obviously. But, in both cases, people of one state have less representation than people in another state. Are you in favor of equal representation or not?
For what purpose?
For the purpose of governing. Are you in favor of equal representation or not?
Electing a President is not part of governing. The Senate is. Those are two very different things.
I want each citizens vote for president to be of the same value and none count any more than any other citizens vote. The EC violates that.
The government is composed of three branches: legislative, executive, and judicial. I find it odd that you have two separate standards for the executive and the legislature. Can you explain why?
I don't. As I explained to you these are two different things. Why are you unable to comprehend that fact?
Return the "United State of America" to being the "United States of America"?
That would require repealing the 17th amendment.
I've suggested that many times, along with repealing the 16th amendment.
Our form of government fundamentally changed in 1913 with dire and growing consequences for each successive generation to contend with.
You mean dire consequences like global ascendancy and dominance? Right wing regression - repeal your way to a former glorious greatness that wasn't.
And yet you're fine with a voter in Vermont having 65 times the legislative power as a voter in California?
So that is the reason you want to abolish the Senate?