Should schools have dress codes?

[Lursa]

Would probably be better for the school, get rid of distractions, controversy, and also level the playing field, for example, everybody has the same clothes on, poor kids won't be ostracized for not affording nice fashionable clothes. But I don't really have much of an opinion one way or another about making it happen

But for most jobs, the dress codes have been relaxed. My office allows (university) allows jeans. Business casual is the usual attire. People don't wear suits and ties anymore.

It was interesting watching a video of NYC 1912 where everybody was dressed up nicely walking about the city

I agree, almost completely.

Just re: my post, to me it's not that they must submit to specific dress codes elsewhere, because yes, that's becoming more informal in alot of workplaces, but that they need to accept what their employer sets forth...or not take the job or get fired, etc. That they need to learn to stand up for what's important, respect authority, question and/or accept, and then make good choices later.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

As much as I agree with your concluding statement, as another user already stated: it is about preperation for the real world. A 2nd grader is one thing. But once kids get to middle school? They need to start learning that “you can’t always get what you want.” And that includes wearing Sandles and face piercings to office jobs. It also depends on the schools. Areas with gang problems should enforce uniforms. It has been proven effective in dealing with certain problems like “colors” and concealing of weapons.

But again, this is totally different than a 2nd grade girl. Life is tough. Life doesn’t give tolerance and latitude. It would be nice if it did. We need to stop shielding kids from that concept.

With such good committed parenting, I'm sure your daughter would have turned out just as well either way.

I do believe that respect for authority and following structure they dont necessarily like is good preparation for adulthood. Kids need to learn discipline, as it will shape their life.

Open debates and discussion over an issue like this...*in the school* are a good idea too. Even if the students dont win, they learn in the process. As a matter of fact, 'they learn the process.' That this is how adults examine things critically, weigh them, and sometimes do not have the final say on the decision.

With regard to mandatory school uniforms in public schools in the United States, Federal and State Court Case precedents already provide a very strong legal basis for tolerance and latitude.

My 2nd grade daughter could not have mounted much of a challenge without help from at least one adult in a guardian capacity. If I did not have the weight of the Law on my side or if my daughter had wanted to wear the uniform, I would have readily complied with the uniform policy.

I respect authority and champion due process.

 

[Helix]

Should schools have dress codes?

kind of have to, because kids, like adults, can be idiots. i remember when i was in elementary school, a little girl showed up to school in a bikini. i'm still a bit WTF about that thirty years later, because i don't think that she walked to school. also, i used to see this shirt occasionally in HS :



doesn't offend me, but those dudes were usually wearing gym shirts well before lunch, lol.

 

[Lursa]

With regard to mandatory school uniforms in public schools in the United States, Federal and State Court Case precedents already provide a very strong legal basis for tolerance and latitude.

My 2nd grade daughter could not have mounted much of a challenge without help from at least one adult in a guardian capacity. If I did not have the weight of the Law on my side or if my daughter had wanted to wear the uniform, I would have readily complied with the uniform policy.

I respect authority and champion due process.

I know. And if she lost, so what? She would have learned a different, but also valuable lesson.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

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[tac138777]

With regard to mandatory school uniforms in public schools in the United States, Federal and State Court Case precedents already provide a very strong legal basis for tolerance and latitude.

My 2nd grade daughter could not have mounted much of a challenge without help from at least one adult in a guardian capacity. If I did not have the weight of the Law on my side or if my daughter had wanted to wear the uniform, I would have readily complied with the uniform policy.

I respect authority and champion due process.

You can do that all you want. But don’t blame us if your kid doesn’t learn how to follow arbitrary rules set forth by her employers. It is hot as hell and I have to wear pants to work. Sometimes you gotsta do **** you don’t want to do. Good luck arguing SCOTUS points for your kid for the rest of your life. I am sure that will have no long term consequences.

 

[tac138777]

kind of have to, because kids, like adults, can be idiots. lol.

This is the truth. And really sums up the thread. Sadly, some idiot kids have idiot parents. And that is usually why the kid is an idiot. Just ask a teacher.

If we wanted to solve our problems in America, you wouldn’t need a license to get a gun. You would need a license to reproduce. Sadly biology is tough to overcome with SCOTUS.

 

[Helix]

This is the truth. And really sums up the thread. Sadly, some idiot kids have idiot parents. And that is usually why the kid is an idiot. Just ask a teacher.

If we wanted to solve our problems in America, you wouldn’t need a license to get a gun. You would need a license to reproduce. Sadly biology is tough to overcome with SCOTUS.

while i don't agree with you about kid licenses, your post reminded me of this great scene.



lol

 

[HowardBThiname]

State and Federal Courts have provided ample case precedents on the limits of School Dress Codes in public schools. Private Schools and Public Charter Schools can and tend to set far stricter codes.

In the late 1960s entering junior high school in the Orlando Florida area, male students who grew long hair became an issue. I wanted my parents to support my quest for long hair.... even if that meant a lawsuit. By the mid 1970s, most public schools no longer attempted to restrict long hair.

In the fall of 2000, one of my daughters entered a brand new Manatee County Florida pubic school as a 2nd grader. By the end of the school year, the School Advisory Council created a new mandatory uniform policy for the following year. My daughter told me she did not want to wear the uniform. That Council did not take kindly to me for letting my daughter opt out. The School Board knew I had Federal Case Law on my side.

That following school year I joined the School Advisory Council... only for the one school year. As a group, they did not welcome me. They tolerated me. No one ostracized my daughter. A few other parents opted out of the uniform policy. My daughter, very social and athletic, made many friends, liked the school and stayed there until transitioning to middle school.

I believe in showing students as much tolerance and giving them as much latitude as possible.

In my opinion, your attitude is one that leads to intolerance and bullying in the schools. Not all children can afford the newest brand-name clothing and athletic shoes. The poor children are singled out and teased by the wealthy children who wear the newest styles.

It creates a castes system of sorts, and the students learn early on that if they don't have the clothes the others have that they're not good enough.

To keep students on an even keel, all students should be required to wear school uniforms. Period.

I've seen the asshole attitude you described -- some brat wants to grow his hair long and mommy and daddy - instead of being thinking adults - allowed the brat to get his way. What his father should have done was taken the brat to the local barber and have his hair cut. What an awful example those parents set for that child. Those kinds of kids typically grow into adults that have a difficult time getting along with others because their parents didn't know how to parent.

School uniforms.

Everyone.

Even the brats.

 

[HowardBThiname]

You can do that all you want. But don’t blame us if your kid doesn’t learn how to follow arbitrary rules set forth by her employers. It is hot as hell and I have to wear pants to work. Sometimes you gotsta do **** you don’t want to do. Good luck arguing SCOTUS points for your kid for the rest of your life. I am sure that will have no long term consequences.

That's exactly right. Failing to teach a child to get along is a major parenting failure. It ensures that the child grows into a self-entitled adult that can't hold down a job or get along in relationships.

 

[Lursa]

Not addressed to anyone in particular, but even tho I see mostly positives in school uniforms for kids, I do know that when I was a kid/teen, I would have hated it. And been a PIA about it at least for awhile.

In a time when alot of parents seem to not even be able to get their kids to put their phones down at the dinner table, IMO a good part of this issue would be convincing parents that it would be worth dealing with the transition period to uniforms.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

You can do that all you want. But don’t blame us if your kid doesn’t learn how to follow arbitrary rules set forth by her employers. It is hot as hell and I have to wear pants to work. Sometimes you gotsta do **** you don’t want to do. Good luck arguing SCOTUS points for your kid for the rest of your life. I am sure that will have no long term consequences.

Freedom means a lot more to some people than others.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

In my opinion, your attitude is one that leads to intolerance and bullying in the schools. Not all children can afford the newest brand-name clothing and athletic shoes. The poor children are singled out and teased by the wealthy children who wear the newest styles.

It creates a castes system of sorts, and the students learn early on that if they don't have the clothes the others have that they're not good enough.

To keep students on an even keel, all students should be required to wear school uniforms. Period.

I've seen the asshole attitude you described -- some brat wants to grow his hair long and mommy and daddy - instead of being thinking adults - allowed the brat to get his way. What his father should have done was taken the brat to the local barber and have his hair cut. What an awful example those parents set for that child. Those kinds of kids typically grow into adults that have a difficult time getting along with others because their parents didn't know how to parent.

School uniforms.

Everyone.

Even the brats.

Your way or the highway huh? Tough beans. I had the Law on my side.... and I champion due process.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

Not addressed to anyone in particular, but even tho I see mostly positives in school uniforms for kids, I do know that when I was a kid/teen, I would have hated it. And been a PIA about it at least for awhile.

In a time when alot of parents seem to not even be able to get their kids to put their phones down at the dinner table, IMO a good part of this issue would be convincing parents that it would be worth dealing with the transition period to uniforms.

In Florida, the option already exists via Charter Schools. The Charter School Movement has become extremely successful at collecting public funds and running their schools with minimal outside influence as long as the students meet state mandated academic metrics.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

That's exactly right. Failing to teach a child to get along is a major parenting failure. It ensures that the child grows into a self-entitled adult that can't hold down a job or get along in relationships.

What kind of metrics do you use to determine whether your children grew into successful adults? I feel for kids who grow up with a knuckle-head parent!

My oldest daughter, age 28, completed undergraduate and graduate Civil Engineering programs at GA Tech with Highest Honors. She has already paid back all of her college debt pretty much on her own. Her husband, age 29, Princeton undergrad, GA Tech grad, works as a biologist for the EPA. A few months ago, they closed on a condo in Alexandria VA, 610K. My daughter turned down the 15K my dad offered her as a housewarming gift.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

This is the truth. And really sums up the thread. Sadly, some idiot kids have idiot parents. And that is usually why the kid is an idiot. Just ask a teacher.

If we wanted to solve our problems in America, you wouldn’t need a license to get a gun. You would need a license to reproduce. Sadly biology is tough to overcome with SCOTUS.

I take it you don't have kids? If so, thank you!

 

[tac138777]

I take it you don't have kids? If so, thank you!

Tampa area. Doesn’t understand that bad parents tend to make bad kids. Progressive makes sense.

What’s next? You are going to tell me that giving them alcohol in your home is better than letting them go out? lol

 

[tac138777]

Freedom means a lot more to some people than others.

Lmao! School uniforms are infringing on your kids “freedom.” Lmao! So is gym class killing their right to be fat? Woodworking getting in the way of the hippie bong water drinking class? If the government says your kid to have no dress code, fine. I’m fine with the law. But when your kid is crying because they can’t get a job with the facial piercings...can you do is a favor and keep them off the government tit?

So tell me. Are you ok with kids going to school in bikinis?

 

[Trippy Trekker]

Tampa area. Doesn’t understand that bad parents tend to make bad kids. Progressive makes sense.

What’s next? You are going to tell me that giving them alcohol in your home is better than letting them go out? lol

No. I wonder about your self-awareness. Have you made certain you do not have kids? I assume you kinda know how the kid making process works.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

Lmao! School uniforms are infringing on your kids “freedom.” Lmao! So is gym class killing their right to be fat? Woodworking getting in the way of the hippie bong water drinking class? If the government says your kid to have no dress code, fine. I’m fine with the law. But when your kid is crying because they can’t get a job with the facial piercings...can you do is a favor and keep them off the government tit?

So tell me. Are you ok with kids going to school in bikinis?

No.

I understand intellectual limitations. As long as you try your best I consider you successful. You conflated two separate issues. One involves the merits of an enforceable dress code while the other involves the legality of a mandatory uniform policy. I don't expect you to discern a difference.

Though I don't quite understand your point, I concede that it certainly makes sense to you. Cheers!

 

[tac138777]

No.

I understand intellectual limitations. As long as you try your best I consider you successful. You conflated two separate issues. One involves the merits of an enforceable dress code while the other involves the legality of a mandatory uniform policy. I don't expect you to discern a difference.

Though I don't quite understand your point, I concede that it certainly makes sense to you. Cheers!

So no Bikinis? Really? That isn’t ok? What about shorts that show your ass? Or shirts with confederate flags? Or guns? Or cursing?

If you can enforce one dress code, you can can enforce them all. And it is school dependent. Some kids don’t need uniforms. But some schools do. I always found it funny that private schools use them because they are really the ones that probably don’t need them.

 

[tac138777]

No. I wonder about your self-awareness. Have you made certain you do not have kids? I assume you kinda know how the kid making process works.

Fully aware. I also understand that modern “parenting” has lead to a lot of emotionally stunted victim mentality idiots out there.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

So no Bikinis? Really? That isn’t ok? What about shorts that show your ass? Or shirts with confederate flags? Or guns? Or cursing?

If you can enforce one dress code, you can can enforce them all. And it is school dependent. Some kids don’t need uniforms. But some schools do. I always found it funny that private schools use them because they are really the ones that probably don’t need them.

Fully aware. I also understand that modern “parenting” has lead to a lot of emotionally stunted victim mentality idiots out there.

If you go back and muddle through Post #15 by Xelor, you might learn something. Xelor, a Policy Wonk (as in long winded with a high aptitude for technical writing) really covers the bases in that post.

Chew on this too - would a Communist or Fascist Government tolerate my attitude?

From my perspective as a 60+ year old American man, I have successful children. I truly doubt at this point in life you have adult children of your own that you can point to.

Peace to you and yours! May our Best Times lie ahead!

 

[nota bene]

Many of the schools that have a uniform dress code have parents buy a specific type and color of shirt that can be bought at any walmart and possibly thrift store.

And they also have--not sure what you call these--swap-meet days during which parents can trade outgrown shirts, pants, sweaters, etc. for the next size up.

 

[HowardBThiname]

Your way or the highway huh? Tough beans. I had the Law on my side.... and I champion due process.

You champion bullying and a social caste system.

Way to go. :roll: