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Shoot Looters

Should police shoot looters?

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Jesse Booth said:
With a misdemeanor crime? That's what makes it worth taking their lives?
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No. But having explained it many times would one more really help?
 
Jesse Booth said:
You're right, actually. I don't think explaining why that violates the 8th Amendment and is unjustifiable would help you at all.
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See? It is a hypothetical of what would happen...
 
Bodhisattva said:
I dont want to be nice to looters...
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You don't have to be, but shooting people over misdemeanors is tyrannical, unconstitutional, and will never be an acceptable policy in any just nation. If you have a problem with that, you could move to China or Pakistan. I hear those nations have a very strong policy of being tough on crime.
 
bearpoker said:
Whoa Nellie!!! Necessary to do so? Reality Check!!! Exactly who's life is endangered here when some is running off with a TV or a load of bottled water and hot pockets? We're talking about looters, not carjackers.
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When they pull a gun.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Looters should be shot on sight... shouldn't they?

I think this would be a great deterrent to lawlessness and the destruction of communities...
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It's also a 'deterrent' for democracy, the principle of justice and an insult at critical thinking.

Please explain how you equate the death penalty for petty theft?

Where do you separate "survival looting" from simple petty thievery?

And are you seriously placing life and death decision making on individual police officers?

Go ahead, but then fire all your judges and burn down all your court houses; then you will have the kind of "Frontier Justice" so many of you so badly crave.
 
Fearandloathing said:
It's also a 'deterrent' for democracy, the principle of justice and an insult at critical thinking.

Please explain how you equate the death penalty for petty theft?

Where do you separate "survival looting" from simple petty thievery?

And are you seriously placing life and death decision making on individual police officers?

Go ahead, but then fire all your judges and burn down all your court houses; then you will have the kind of "Frontier Justice" so many of you so badly crave.
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Even on the frontier when they had judges and courts and prisons and sheriffs/mounties available they tended to use them, hold the bad guys till the good guys could be summoned, let's give credit where credit is due.

They wanted to be better than issuing instant death penalties on the spot.

They did what the could to be better within reason.
 
Jesse Booth said:
Come to think of it, I don't believe I've ever seen you upset on here.
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I got upset once for sure before I realized what type of people I was arguing with...
 
Jesse Booth said:
You don't have to be, but shooting people over misdemeanors is tyrannical, unconstitutional, and will never be an acceptable policy in any just nation. If you have a problem with that, you could move to China or Pakistan. I hear those nations have a very strong policy of being tough on crime.
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State of Emergency situations are different.
 
Fearandloathing said:
It's also a 'deterrent' for democracy, the principle of justice and an insult at critical thinking.

Please explain how you equate the death penalty for petty theft?

Where do you separate "survival looting" from simple petty thievery?

And are you seriously placing life and death decision making on individual police officers?

Go ahead, but then fire all your judges and burn down all your court houses; then you will have the kind of "Frontier Justice" so many of you so badly crave.
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This was thought out
 
Jesse Booth said:
States of emergency are not an excuse for the government to intimidate the populace with displays of egregious and unconstitutional violence.
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It is not an excuse. It is a reason.

They are not in intimidating the populace with displays of egregious and unconstitutional violence. Great dramatic imagery there though. They are restoring order.
 
Bodhisattva said:
It is not an excuse. It is a reason.

They are not in intimidating the populace with displays of egregious and unconstitutional violence. Great dramatic imagery there though. They are restoring order.
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Not dramatic imagery, just an accurate description. Killing people for misdemeanors in order to prevent further misdemeanors is absolutely intimidation, it is absolutely unconstitutional, and it is egregious and tyrannical by the norms of every first world nation, save perhaps for China and a handful of others. Singapore has some incredibly harsh laws as well, but I can't say for sure how relevant they are without doing more research on the matter.
 
Jesse Booth said:
Not dramatic imagery, just an accurate description. n, it is absolutely unconstitutional, and it is egregious and tyrannical by the norms of every first world nation, save perhaps for China and a handful of others. Singapore has some incredibly harsh laws as well, but I can't say for sure how relevant they are without doing more research on the matter.
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If it is done during a State of Emergency it shouldn't be a mere misdemeanor.

Killing people for misdemeanors in order to prevent further misdemeanors is absolutely intimidatio
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Then all actions to prevent crime is intimidation. Arrest is. Detaining is. Pursuit is. That guy stole something. Didnt pull over. Ran from cops. On news. Pursuit. Crash. Ten cops beat or shoot suspect. He had stolen shoes.

Ban chases. Inimidation!!
 
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Bodhisattva said:
If it is done during a State of Emergency it shouldn't be a mere misdemeanor.
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Well, it's still a misdemeanor. A state of emergency does not allow the United States government to reclassify certain crimes as being significantly more severe, and I doubt New Zealand has a policy that allows for such behavior either.
 
Jesse Booth said:
Well, it's still a misdemeanor. A state of emergency does not allow the United States government to reclassify certain crimes as being significantly more severe, and I doubt New Zealand has a policy that allows for such behavior either.
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Kiwis dont loot. They respect society.

And a SofE should.
 
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