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Shoot Looters

Should police shoot looters?

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Bodhisattva said:
I think people that willingly violate the societies trust during the worst of times, like looting during an emergency, are people that have forfeited their rights and people that should be shot if seen looting.
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What have they done that justifies killing them?
 
Lets apply this to the Cajun Navy response to Harvey. There were some groups of organized looters caught and arrested. Just how, exactly would you righteous dispensers of justice have known who were the hero's and who were the criminals to be shot down in the street, river, whatever. Loading a 50" flat screen into a boat? Maybe, or maybe that guy loading up the TV spent his bonus on that damn thing and didn't want to lose it.
If anyone, at all, tries to enter your residence, hurricane or not, then I highly suggest you use extreme prejudice. If they are trying to steal your generator or other critical support equipment, I suggest the same, and depending on where you live it could get a little dicey later, but hopefully, you'll be OK.
I don't ever want to be in the situation of taking a life, (outside of war), and later wondering if they really deserved it. Yeah, I know, that attitude could cost me my life someday. But it won't cost me my soul.
As others have said, "it is just stuff".
 
Bodhisattva said:
I just said it...
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Ok...

Well, see, here's where I take issue.

As I view the world, human life is more important than anything else, and definitely more important than property.

Thus, I cannot accept the argument that someone stealing property deserves death for doing so.

The only acceptable reason for killing another human is to protect other human lives from them.



I don't give a **** what they're doing, it's not right to shoot them unless they are about to kill someone.
 
The Mark said:
Ok...

Well, see, here's where I take issue.

As I view the world, human life is more important than anything else, and definitely more important than property.

Thus, I cannot accept the argument that someone stealing property deserves death for doing so.

The only acceptable reason for killing another human is to protect other human lives from them.



I don't give a **** what they're doing, it's not right to shoot them unless they are about to kill someone.
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Fair enough and I respect that... I guess I have met too many low class scumbags, drug dealers, gang members, etc to agree that human life is more important than things like property. We need less of these people... not more. I also think there should be forced sterilization of these kinds of people... but that is another debate.
 
The Mark said:
Ok...

Well, see, here's where I take issue.

As I view the world, human life is more important than anything else, and definitely more important than property.

Thus, I cannot accept the argument that someone stealing property deserves death for doing so.

The only acceptable reason for killing another human is to protect other human lives from them.



I don't give a **** what they're doing, it's not right to shoot them unless they are about to kill someone.
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I'm sure these human cockroaches will be glad to hear that. I'll send 'em your way.

They come through my door, they're gonna eat gun. I feel a bit differently than you.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Actually I am talking about cops or the military seeing looters looting and simply shooting them on sight. If they are robbing my neighbor and I had a gun I would confront them hoping to prompt them into a physical conflict so that I could shoot them. Sorry... I have zero respect or empathy for looters and rioters.
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I have no respect for them either, but I still respect the rule of law. And theft is not punishable by death. With or without trial. I will not shoot you for trying to steal my riding mower. (a rather popular item for theft here), I would however do my best to make them reconsider that action. I have already confronted unknown persons on my neighbor's property while they were away under normal circumstances. I had a blackhawk holstered when I did so. Once was the son of the mutual friend who sold them the property and they had permission to use it as a place to launch quads into the WMA. ( Wildlife management area) We are very rural and look out for each other out here. My dogs are the early warning system for us and the neighbors, east and west. I would suggest similar arrangements, superior to shooting people, could work in most circumstances.
 
Looters are ****. That being said...shooting them is extreme. Families and business owners should have the right to defend their homes and businesses...but beyond that, theres really no reason for others to be outraged. The looters make themselves look like ****...but thats about as far as it goes.
 
trblmkr said:
I have no respect for them either, but I still respect the rule of law. And theft is not punishable by death. With or without trial. I will not shoot you for trying to steal my riding mower. (a rather popular item for theft here), I would however do my best to make them reconsider that action. I have already confronted unknown persons on my neighbor's property while they were away under normal circumstances. I had a blackhawk holstered when I did so. Once was the son of the mutual friend who sold them the property and they had permission to use it as a place to launch quads into the WMA. ( Wildlife management area) We are very rural and look out for each other out here. My dogs are the early warning system for us and the neighbors, east and west. I would suggest similar arrangements, superior to shooting people, could work in most circumstances.
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During an emergency situation would you still feel the same... looters running around your property stealing things? Not cops. Not military. No phone to call anybody. No power... they are stealing things you need?
 
Rare to see such great lynch mob rhetoric these days. Takes me back.
 
Nickyjo said:
Rare to see such great lynch mob rhetoric these days. Takes me back.
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shooting looters is not stringing up some innocent black person.

Great to see such mindless rhetoric though... :lol:
 
Bodhisattva said:
Anyone? Really? Some rapist/murderer/child molester?
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How am I to know the individual is a rapist, murderer, or child molester when they are in the process of stealing my stuff?

My TV is not worth me shooting someone. Even if the individual is a despicable person, it still would not be worth me having to shoot them and living with the fact I shot someone over a TV.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
How am I to know the individual is a rapist, murderer, or child molester when they are in the process of stealing my stuff?

My TV is not worth me shooting someone. Even if the individual is a despicable person, it still would not be worth me having to shoot them and living with the fact I shot someone over a TV.
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OK. I disagree though... but the argument is really about looting during a crisis where Marital Law exists...
 
Captain America said:
I know, right? Kinda like an old shoe. Like smelling bacon and coffee in the morning.

Those were the days.
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And having your old lady in the kitchen making your lunch for you... great times...
 
OlNate said:
Sure I have, and I believe in it firmly...what's the penalty for stealing a DVD player? I mean, outside of this Rambo wet dream you all seem to be having? Does someone even go to jail, or is it more a probation thing? And how many DVD players must they steal before they get the death sentence?
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You're denying responsibility left and right. If this person doesn't want a penalty, they shouldn't break the law at all. Now I'm not saying they ought to get shot, but the cause of their penalty, whatever it is, is their own action. They have nobody to blame but themselves.
 
Captain America said:
I'm sure these human cockroaches will be glad to hear that. I'll send 'em your way.

They come through my door, they're gonna eat gun. I feel a bit differently than you.
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Bodhisattva said:
Fair enough and I respect that... I guess I have met too many low class scumbags, drug dealers, gang members, etc to agree that human life is more important than things like property. We need less of these people... not more. I also think there should be forced sterilization of these kinds of people... but that is another debate.
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I don't think such issues are genetic, but rather environmental - you could argue that people in the environment they are in should not have children (no idea how you would enforce that constitutionally), but I think a better solution would be to improve that environment.
 
Bodhisattva said:
During an emergency situation would you still feel the same... looters running around your property stealing things? Not cops. Not military. No phone to call anybody. No power... they are stealing things you need?
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Let me be clear. I will not allow you to steal my generator or any of my critical infrastructure during an emergency. I will also try not kill you to accomplish that goal. There is no doubt in my mind that I can deter any such action without loss of life. My belief system insists I do so right up to, but no further than, the risk of my or my families life. Stuff, generally, is irrelevant.
 
Bodhisattva said:
During an emergency situation would you still feel the same... looters running around your property stealing things? Not cops. Not military. No phone to call anybody. No power... they are stealing things you need?
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He is confused-you shoot looters to stop harmful action

its not "punishment"
 
trblmkr said:
Let me be clear. I will not allow you to steal my generator or any of my critical infrastructure during an emergency. I will also try not kill you to accomplish that goal. There is no doubt in my mind that I can deter any such action without loss of life. My belief system insists I do so right up to, but no further than, the risk of my or my families life. Stuff, generally, is irrelevant.
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if you place a limit on what actions you are willing to use to save yourself, when confronted by those who are not so limited, you will generally lose that confrontation.
 
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