Shoah

[truthatallcost]

Luxemburg supported the attempted overthrow of the government and rejected any attempt at a negotiated solution. Friedrich Ebert's majority SPD government crushed the revolt and the Spartakusbund by sending in the Freikorps, government-sponsored paramilitary groups consisting mostly of World War I veterans. Freikorps troops captured and summarily executed Luxemburg and Liebknecht during the rebellion. Luxemburg's body was thrown in the Landwehr Canal in Berlin.

Rosa Luxemburg - Wikipedia

Is this not a violent revolutionary, who was born abroad, came to Germany, and tried to overthrow the government? I keep hearing people tell me I'm wrong, but they don't can't seem to offer any fact which proves me wrong.

Rosa Luxemburg - Wikipedia

 

[Jean-s]

1. I never said 'all Germans hated Jews'.
2. Rosa Luxenburg was a violent revolutionary. You don't dispute this apparently, or at least you didn't in your reply.
3. Who wouldn't mock honoring a violent revolutionary with a postage stamp? Does that not seem inappropriate to you?

1. Yes you did. You generalized. You wrote that "Germans hated foreign Jews". You did not write some Germans.
2. Rosa Luxemburg was an anti-war activist who was murdered by members Freikorps paramilitary and her body was thrown into the Landwehr Canal in Berlin.
3. Lots of violent revolutionaries (is there any other kind?) are appropriately honored on postage stamps.

 

[truthatallcost]

1. Yes you did. You generalized. You wrote that "Germans hated foreign Jews". You did not write some Germans.
2. Rosa Luxemburg was an anti-war activist who was murdered by members Freikorps paramilitary and her body was thrown into the Landwehr Canal in Berlin.
3. Lots of violent revolutionaries (is there any other kind?) are appropriately honored on postage stamps.

1. Untrue. If you're going to distort something, make sure it's not easily accessible, as my comment is. I said, "Many patriotic Germans carried resentment against Luxemburg and her jewish compatriots throughout the 1920s", which of course sounds much different that "Germans hated Jews".
2. Luxemburg staged an attempted revolution against the SPD-led German government of the time. This act constituted treason, which was punishable by death in that era. Her punishment was totally unremarkable considering the laws of that era. The US also executed people who'd committed treason, sometimes without a trial. She wasn't a victim of the SPD, or of the law, or of anything other than her own actions.
3. I'm not a stamp collector, and I'm not an expert on whether there is a violent revolutionary series of stamps in circulation. My reply is simply about Luxemburg. Have you ever thought about what would have befallen Germany, Europe, and the world had Rosa's revolution been a success? Yes, I know it was crushed by the freikorps, but what would have become of Germany had the opposite taken place?

 

[Jean-s]

1. Untrue. If you're going to distort something, make sure it's not easily accessible, as my comment is. I said, "Many patriotic Germans carried resentment against Luxemburg and her jewish compatriots throughout the 1920s", which of course sounds much different that "Germans hated Jews".
2. Luxemburg staged an attempted revolution against the SPD-led German government of the time. This act constituted treason, which was punishable by death in that era. Her punishment was totally unremarkable considering the laws of that era. The US also executed people who'd committed treason, sometimes without a trial. She wasn't a victim of the SPD, or of the law, or of anything other than her own actions.
3. I'm not a stamp collector, and I'm not an expert on whether there is a violent revolutionary series of stamps in circulation. My reply is simply about Luxemburg. Have you ever thought about what would have befallen Germany, Europe, and the world had Rosa's revolution been a success? Yes, I know it was crushed by the freikorps, but what would have become of Germany had the opposite taken place?

1."Rosa Luxemburg is not a hero. She's a big reason why Germans hated foreign jews in the 1920s." This is your entire post #39 and is very different from ""Many patriotic Germans carried resentment against Luxemburg and her jewish compatriots throughout the 1920s" Quit accusing me of misrepresenting you.
2. Rosa Luxemburg was murdered without any trial after being captured by the Freikorps. That the government approved of this is to their eternal shame.
3. You do not need be a stamp collector to know that many postage stamps of the violent revolutionary George Washington have been printed.

File:George Washington2 1861 Issue-10c.jpg - Wikipedia

 

[truthatallcost]

1."Rosa Luxemburg is not a hero. She's a big reason why Germans hated foreign jews in the 1920s." This is your entire post #39 and is very different from ""Many patriotic Germans carried resentment against Luxemburg and her jewish compatriots throughout the 1920s" Quit accusing me of misrepresenting you.
2. Rosa Luxemburg was murdered without any trial after being captured by the Freikorps. That the government approved of this is to their eternal shame.
3. You do not need be a stamp collector to know that many postage stamps of the violent revolutionary George Washington have been printed.

File:George Washington2 1861 Issue-10c.jpg - Wikipedia

1. You're right, I made both of those statements. The jewish communist revolutionaries termed the November Criminals, were in fact one of many reasons that Germans became receptive to national socialism in the 1920s.
2. Germany was still in disarray from WW1 when Luxemburg and the other communists attempted revolution. The communists would try several times to overthrow Germany in the late teens to 1920s period. The penalty for this kind of treason should be death, should it not?
3. George Washington wasn't a foreign-born communist opportunist either. Of course he's not in the same league as Rosa Luxemburg.

 

[Jean-s]

1. You're right, I made both of those statements. The jewish communist revolutionaries termed the November Criminals, were in fact one of many reasons that Germans became receptive to national socialism in the 1920s.
2. Germany was still in disarray from WW1 when Luxemburg and the other communists attempted revolution. The communists would try several times to overthrow Germany in the late teens to 1920s period. The penalty for this kind of treason should be death, should it not?
3. George Washington wasn't a foreign-born communist opportunist either. Of course he's not in the same league as Rosa Luxemburg.

1. You confuse Nazi propaganda with historical fact. Not all Communists were Jewish. Twice as many Germans were receptive to Communism (12.6%) in the 1924 election than to Nazism. (6.5%).
2. The Nazis also attempted to overthrow legitimate government by violence. Try not to be so selective in your choice of historical events. Had this type of treason called for death then Hitler himself would have been guillotined in Munich.
3. Unlike George Washington but in common with Rosa Luxemburg, Adolf Hitler was foreign-born who came to Germany and led a Putsch against the Bavarian government. How about that? Go easy with the foreign-born epithet. Such racism will bite you.

 

[Jean-s]

double post

 

[PoS]

When the GDR was integrated into West Germany after 1989, an immense number of applications came from Jews claiming ownership of GDR territory.
One could ask where these millions of applications came from. We are told, and this is the truth, which must not be doubted in case of punishment: The Jews were exterminated in the genocide!
Well, when the GDR dissolved, millions of applications for the retransfer of property of Jews came.
Amazing, they rose like Jesus to make money... Well, Jews always like to cash in.

Even though the Germans tried real hard to kill all the Jews, a few did survive, so their claims ought to be legitimate since the Nazis took everything from them.

Your remarks are both racist and disgusting.

 

[bomberfox]

Nazis gonna lie, hard to Stop because each one now has a different and often contradictory lie to tell.

 

[ecofarm]

Actually, you're right, the slaughter of native Americans was the worst. I don't know that you can limit how far back you go when considering something like "worst civil rights violation in US history" though... If it happened during US history, it would be included, no?

And I'm most certainly not suggesting that any country turning away Jews at the time were in the right because other countries were doing it as well. The OP stated that countries other than Germany were responsible for the mistreatment of Jews during WW2. I was agreeing with that with examples. Saying again, for the third time: It was not a good time.

Anyway....why are we talking about FDR again? lol This has gotten a little off topic, and we're basically agreeing, in terms of what we're both saying that is relevant to the OP.

But you're not using the facts to apologize for nazis. That's where you guys disagree.

 

[Chagos]

Luxemburg was executed for her role in the November Uprising, the attempt lead primarily by jews of foreign background to overthrow Germany for the Communists. Many patriotic Germans carried resentment against Luxemburg and her jewish compatriots throughout the 1920s, referring to them as the November Criminals. Today, historians call the German reaction to the wannabe revolutionaries, 'The Stabbed in the Back Myth', as if it never occurred at all, or it did occur, but wasn't a significant event.

So now you move, in your usual manner of dishonesty, from Germans in general to "many".

How pathetic.

As to the "Dolchstosslegende", that was the feeble attempt of the German Military High Command (especially Hindenburg) to shift the blame for its failure to win the war onto the Social Democrats and the Centrists that then signed the armistice. Due to the war having been seen as lost for anyone with even half a brain.

Incidentally from the very faction that later put down the communist Spartacus uprising by force.

As always when you make one of your laughable attempts to fit history to your liking, you make yourself look the fool.

And as always when you try to repeat your lies that have been constantly refuted in the past, you show that you're not about truth but your own frenzied agenda of trying to make this crap stick via constant repetition. All in the hope that some here may not have witnessed how your lies have been pulverized time and time again.

 

[Chagos]

1. Untrue. If you're going to distort something, make sure it's not easily accessible, as my comment is. I said, "Many patriotic Germans carried resentment against Luxemburg and her jewish compatriots throughout the 1920s", which of course sounds much different that "Germans hated Jews".

to lie successfully requires a good memory....

Rosa Luxemburg is not a hero. She's a big reason why Germans hated foreign jews in the 1920s.

..........something you are clearly devoid of in this respect.

Which, considering the vast amount of lies you tell, is no flipping wonder and explains your constant failure,.

2. Luxemburg staged an attempted revolution against the SPD-led German government of the time. This act constituted treason, which was punishable by death in that era. Her punishment was totally unremarkable considering the laws of that era. The US also executed people who'd committed treason, sometimes without a trial. She wasn't a victim of the SPD, or of the law, or of anything other than her own actions.

She was murdered.

No court, no trial, she was clubbed unconscious by a thug, thrown into a car and there shot dead by another thug, her body then thrown into the "Landwehrkanal" (a barge canal in Berlin) and all of it in line with the commanding officers cited intention to make the murder look as having been committed by "unknown".

The official narrative that was released by these thugs stating that she " was killed by an angry mob when leaving the hotel" and that "her body was abducted by the same mob". The corpse was not found until 10 days later, floating at a lock.

Lies and more lies and nothing else from you here.

3. I'm not a stamp collector, I'm not an expert on whether there is a violent revolutionary series of stamps in circulation. My reply is simply about Luxemburg. Have you ever thought about what would have befallen Germany, Europe, and the world had Rosa's revolution been a success? Yes, I know it was crushed by the freikorps, but what would have become of Germany had the opposite taken place?

Everyone knows what became of Germany. Your brothers in spirit ruined it completely, taking the lion's share of Europe along in the process.

 

[bomberfox]

Its pretty well known that the various modern offshoots of the nazi party follow the stormfront playbook of blame the jews for everything and even they specifically say even if it isnt true. This is why you get one nazi blaming the jews for the legalization of same sex marriage which they claim is the equivalent of genocide to another nazi denying gravity exists and blaming the jews for the trans atlantic slave trade and christianity.

 

[Novalis]

Oh look, another Holocaust denier. Somehow I’m not surprised :roll:

But then again, given that Holocaust Denial is a crime in Germany, what “annoys” you is totally irrelevant.

I’m sure the German taxpayers are annoyed at the amount of money that’s been wasted on you.

I don't cost much. Already in ancient Rome there were hundreds of thousands of unemployed citizens who were fed.
If I did not use the tax money sensibly for my purposes, the state would come up with even more stupid ideas to distribute the money abroad. For example pension for some Jews in Russia or something. No, I'd rather use the tax money for my unemployment benefits.

 

[Novalis]

Even though the Germans tried real hard to kill all the Jews, a few did survive, so their claims ought to be legitimate since the Nazis took everything from them.

Your remarks are both racist and disgusting.

Until the war the Jews could leave the German Reich. Not only that, it was desired and they were annoyed to go abroad.

The problem, the foreign countries didn't want poor Jews. Those who today stand up and moan about crimes against the Jews. Their states refused to rescue or rehabilitate Jews. Only the educated and rich Jews were accepted. More out of self-interest than out of human love. So it's all hypocrisy!

Anyway, according to my information, more than half of the Jews who lived in the German Reich survived National Socialism. Through emigration, or many other reasons

 

[Chagos]

Its pretty well known that the various modern offshoots of the nazi party follow the stormfront playbook of blame the jews for everything and even they specifically say even if it isnt true. This is why you get one nazi blaming the jews for the legalization of same sex marriage which they claim is the equivalent of genocide to another nazi denying gravity exists and blaming the jews for the trans atlantic slave trade and christianity.

Yeah, being a liar is clearly a prerequisite for membership, ever since Goebbels and before him.

 

[bomberfox]

Until the war the Jews could leave the German Reich. Not only that, it was desired and they were annoyed to go abroad.

The problem, the foreign countries didn't want poor Jews. Those who today stand up and moan about crimes against the Jews. Their states refused to rescue or rehabilitate Jews. Only the educated and rich Jews were accepted. More out of self-interest than out of human love. So it's all hypocrisy!

Anyway, according to my information, more than half of the Jews who lived in the German Reich survived National Socialism. Through emigration, or many other reasons

According to your information.... uh huh... sure...

 

[Tigerace117]

I don't cost much. Already in ancient Rome there were hundreds of thousands of unemployed citizens who were fed.
If I did not use the tax money sensibly for my purposes, the state would come up with even more stupid ideas to distribute the money abroad. For example pension for some Jews in Russia or something. No, I'd rather use the tax money for my unemployment benefits.

Even a single Euro or Deutschmark would far, far too much. I’m sure you would rather money be continued to funnel into your pocket while you sit around and do nothing.

 

[PoS]

Until the war the Jews could leave the German Reich. Not only that, it was desired and they were annoyed to go abroad.

The problem, the foreign countries didn't want poor Jews. Those who today stand up and moan about crimes against the Jews. Their states refused to rescue or rehabilitate Jews. Only the educated and rich Jews were accepted. More out of self-interest than out of human love. So it's all hypocrisy!

Anyway, according to my information, more than half of the Jews who lived in the German Reich survived National Socialism. Through emigration, or many other reasons

What your flippant, antisemitic statements do not even mention is that the Jews were forced out of Germany because their rights as citizens were stripped away. Synagogues were burned, their stores were looted, and they were forced to sell their possessions and property at less than market value by your idols, the Nazis. Not to mention their jewelry and artworks being stolen right in front of them. Let's not even talk about what the Germans did to the Jews in the occupied territories or in camps when the war started, yes?

To proclaim that all the other countries didnt want the Jews either is ridiculous, because they wouldnt have left Europe in the first place, if the Nazis that you so love didnt persecute and kill them to begin with. You cant hide the truth.

 

[Novalis]

What your flippant, antisemitic statements do not even mention is that the Jews were forced out of Germany because their rights as citizens were stripped away. Synagogues were burned, their stores were looted, and they were forced to sell their possessions and property at less than market value by your idols, the Nazis. Not to mention their jewelry and artworks being stolen right in front of them. Let's not even talk about what the Germans did to the Jews in the occupied territories or in camps when the war started, yes?

To proclaim that all the other countries didnt want the Jews either is ridiculous, because they wouldnt have left Europe in the first place, if the Nazis that you so love didnt persecute and kill them to begin with. You cant hide the truth.

Your contribution is interspersed with insinuations concerning my person. By the way, many more Germans were expelled than Jews. So much for the morals of moralists. The United States made the deal with Stalin. It is clear that the ordinary Germans who were expelled had only in the rarest cases before been guilty of what happened to the Jews.

The USA made a criminal expulsion deal with Stalin. The US is no better than Hitler. You didn't treat the Africans any better than the Germans treated the Jews. In that time.

Your imperialist wars of aggression are endless. Please stop this bull**** hypocrisy you want to serve me as the truth.

 

[Tigerace117]

Your contribution is interspersed with insinuations concerning my person. By the way, many more Germans were expelled than Jews. So much for the morals of moralists. The United States made the deal with Stalin. It is clear that the ordinary Germans who were expelled had only in the rarest cases before been guilty of what happened to the Jews.

After what the Nazis had done to the Poles and Czechs they didn’t want the local Germans, many of whom had collaborated with their countrymen in the invasion, around any more.

Gee, who would have thunk? :roll:

 

[Novalis]

Even a single Euro or Deutschmark would far, far too much. I’m sure you would rather money be continued to funnel into your pocket while you sit around and do nothing.

Very interesting, the Jew lover wants to exterminate the unemployed by starvation?

 

[Tigerace117]

Very interesting, the Jew lover wants to exterminate the unemployed by starvation?

Very interesting, the holocaust denier is trying to play the victim card. That is particularly laughable.

Why should anyone pay for you to sit around on your ass because you don’t want to be employed? Other than your political beliefs, there’s nothing “wrong” with you.

 

[PoS]

Your contribution is interspersed with insinuations concerning my person.

Where I come from there is a saying: if it quacks like a duck, if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, its a duck.

There is only one type of person who would defend what the Nazis did.

By the way, many more Germans were expelled than Jews. So much for the morals of moralists.

You mean the German expulsions after the war? Guess who started that war in the first place?

The United States made the deal with Stalin.

Bull****.

The US is no better than Hitler.

Really? America's government never systematically attempted to wipe out millions of people using industrial scale mass murder like what the Germans did. So youre wrong.

Your imperialist wars of aggression are endless. Please stop this bull**** hypocrisy you want to serve me as the truth.

I am not a fan of American foreign policy, but what the Germans did was far far worse. The fact that you are moving the goalposts away from the Holocaust discussion is pathetic and just a silly excuse, because you know damn well what the Nazis did.

 

[Fledermaus]

Jokes don't have citations Fled. At least not original ones.

So, no citation for the claim.