Shep Smith to Chris Wallace: ‘Why is it lie after lie after lie’

[Fletch]

Sessions, Flyn and Kushner at the very least. Why do you ask?

Sessions did not lie under oath and Flynn and Kushner have not been proven to have done so. You don't get to convict people of crimes just because you imagine yourself to have some divine link to reality

 

[Captain Adverse]

Yet, there was a (C) mark )for confidential) (marked in error) on an insignificant email out of 100,000 Clinton emails regarding a freakin' condolence call -- and the right wing had a major cow fit about it.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

Ummm, the problem with this is:

The various intelligence agencies since have been arguing about what should be disclosed, with at least seven email chains (22 separate emails) — and possibly more — labeled as unfit for any public disclosure....Clinton said, “When you receive information, of course, there has to be some markings, some indication that someone down the chain thought that this was classified and that was not the case.” But that’s only half of the story. Even without markings, officials are supposed to recognize that information passed through an unclassified system might be deemed as classified and should take steps to protect it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...llary-clintons-server/?utm_term=.73dc014abdd4

a. The above quote was from WaPo and slanted in her favor. Other's citables indicate the number could be larger. Even so, this shows it was more than one document, and

Clinton turned over about half of the 60 thousand emails that were on her server, after telling the State Department that the emails she deleted - about 30,000 - were personal.

Report: FBI pulls deleted emails from Hillary Clinton's server - CBS News

b. over 30,000 emails were allowed to be deleted and the disc was "scrubbed" to insure they could not be recovered by Clinton's legal team BEFORE the server was released to the FBI for forensic investigation.

According to the official statement of FBI director, James Comey, agency experts were unable to recover information from Clinton’s wiped-clean server, and Clinton’s legal team claims there are no backups. Thus the contents of the 30,000 deleted “private” emails are not known...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulro...000-wiped-clean-clinton-e-mails/#3a0f0a029a67

Now you may not be aware, but evidence subpoenaed for a criminal investigation is not typically subject to modification. It is supposed to be seized and reviewed without alteration.

So the issue was about actual violations of federal secrecy law by an official of the U.S. Government (Hillary was Secretary of State at the time), and the possible destruction of evidence.

See the difference in the two situations? (Probably not) :coffeepap:

 

[sangha]

Irrelevant. :shrug:



I don't see this as an either/or proposition like you propose. I prefer to look at things in the best light possible. In this case, after the Flynn incident I think all of Trump's staff were told to do a fact check and update their forms to the best of their ability.

As for being expected to remember every meeting that subsequently seems to be important, when it was not considered so at the time?

I think that people meet lots of other people over the course of their lifetimes, typically considering such meetings unimportant.

This meeting with Trump Jr. was probably one of several hundred that were going on during the campaign, and according to all reports, turned out to be a bait and switch. Since nothing came of it there was nothing to remember.

I also believe it is easy to forget meeting with "foreigners" when the meeting is of minor or non-importance.

I would challenge anyone to list ALL the people they have ever met that might be a citizen of a foreign nation.

Your argument is BS. You have invented the fact that the SF-86 disclosure form only requires the listing of foriegn nationals the submitter has met with.

Above is an image of the portion of the SF-86 form under discussion. Please quote for us where the instructions say that Kushner was only supposed to report meetings with foriegners

 

[Captain Adverse]

Your argument is BS. You have invented the fact that the SF-86 disclosure form only requires the listing of foriegn nationals the submitter has met with.

Above is an image of the portion of the SF-86 form under discussion. Please quote for us where the instructions say that Kushner was only supposed to report meetings with foriegners

Try reading for comprehension.

This part of the form is asking for a list of foreign contacts for whom the person seeking clearance has provided "advice or support." That means pro-active aide to THEM, not vice-versa. :roll:

Flynn clearly acted in such capacity. The Trump Jr. meeting? Not so much IMO.

Easy to misunderstand if someone was expecting to get advice or support. :coffeepap:

 

[Paperview]

Ummm, the problem with this is:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...llary-clintons-server/?utm_term=.73dc014abdd4

a. The above quote was from WaPo and slanted in her favor. Other's citables indicate the number could be larger. Even so, this shows it was more than one document, and

Your quote of an early 2016 piece trashing her is hilarious.

So the issue was about actual violations of federal secrecy law by an official of the U.S. Government (Hillary was Secretary of State at the time), and the possible destruction of evidence.

See the difference in the two situations? (Probably not)

Goll (c) damn. That is one of the most magnificent spins I've ever seen. Take a bow.

 

[MTAtech]

If it were one instance, we could give them the benefit of the doubt. This is a series of denials, discovered lies and no government action to stop it in the future. It should be clear to any reasonable person that the Trump campaign was in contact with Russian agents, and was willing, indeed eager, to engage in collusion.

The reaction from Trump apparatchiks have taken two forms: defining collusion down, or celebrating it. Some are arguing that saying "I love it!" when Russian agents offer damaging information about your opponent doesn't count as collusion unless it's sustained (which it might have been, by the way – we just don't know yet), or unless it determined the election outcome. By that standard, of course, Kim Philby did nothing wrong, since the West ended up winning the Cold War.

Others are basically saying that cooperating with a hostile government to win an election is no big deal if it protects us against real threats, like universal health care.

 

[lurchadams]

Shep seemed far more committed to a more complete and honest view of this than Wallace did who even now seems to hold back a bit. But glad to see that even FOX - at least some of them there - are starting to face reality.

I love the line from Sheps grannie with the old adage about the tangled web of deception. Classic. Wallace replied "I don't know what to say."

I am interested to see some polling taken after Friday and see if any of the Trump voters are now having buyers remorse.

Nope, their dodge now is that the evil Democrats lured Trump and his circus of keystone cops into brilliant, but dastardly trap.

You see.. Manafort, Sessions, Kushner, and Jr. were all on their way to church to donate to the poor when Hillary, Obama and George Soros snuck up to them, all disguised as coal miners and asked them to attend meetings they thought were strategy sessions to harvest clean coal. When they showed up at these meetings the attendees were instead all Russian spies, who everyone knows are great friends of the Democrats.

Ya gotta hand it to those evil Democrats. They sure know how to trick those stupid, but well-meaning Trumpies!

 

[Paperview]

Try reading for comprehension.

This part of the form is asking for a list of foreign contacts for whom the person seeking clearance has provided "advice or support." That means pro-active aide to THEM, not vice-versa. :roll:

Flynn clearly acted in such capacity. The Trump Jr. meeting? Not so much IMO.

Easy to misunderstand if someone was getting advice or support. :coffeepap:

:lamo

It like watching someone trying to work out an 8th grade level rubriks cube.

And failing.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Your quote of an early 2016 piece trashing her is hilarious.

Goll (c) damn. That is one of the most magnificent spins I've ever seen. Take a bow.

:lamo

It like watching someone trying to work out an 8th grade level rubriks cube.

And failing.

Point of information. It is your type of replies that typically result in my resorting to my tagline. :coffeepap:

 

[sangha]

Try reading for comprehension.

Try not telling lie after lie in a thread about people who tell lie after lie

This part of the form is asking for a list of foreign contacts for whom the person seeking clearance has provided "advice or support." That means pro-active aide to THEM, not vice-versa. :roll:

I said nothing about what the form does say or whether anyone had to report any meeting. I merely noted that your claim was a completely dishonest work of fiction. Did you forget your forget your lie so quickly? Here it is

As he is an American citizen, there is no obligation to report him as a "foreign contact" on any disclosure form.

Please quote from the form where it says there is no obligation to report contacts with american citizens or admit that there is no such exclusion

 

[yankintx]

It is not necessary for a person to remember each and every meeting ever.

But if someone wants security clearance and such and cannot remember a meeting that was taken with foreign players in order to attempt to throw a monkey wrench into the opponents campaign.....they either have serious memory loss and should see a neurologist ASAP or they purposefully left it off a form. This was not a spontaneous meeting. It was planned and important to him.....even if it did turn out to be a "nothing burger"

I stand by what I said.

I believe he was in danger of being outed during the ongoing investigation and tried to cover his ass.

Waiting a year to disclose, that is transparency in the Trump spin room.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Sessions did not lie under oath and Flynn and Kushner have not been proven to have done so. You don't get to convict people of crimes just because you imagine yourself to have some divine link to reality

Yes, all three have been proven to have done so. That you don't want that to be the case is irrelevant.

 

[Crosscheck]

This reminds me of Watergate with Nixon. The Republicans gained nothing by breaking into the DNC headquarters. Then to make it even worse came the cover up and denial.
It was a very foolish and juvenile mission for god knows what purpose.

Now we basically have the same it appears.

When in doubt , tell the truth. Really, adoption was the topic?


It all reminds me of COPS tv show where a bad guy gets all tangled up in his lies and the officer just looks at the camera and gives that look.

 

[MTAtech]

Nope, their dodge now is that the evil Democrats lured Trump and his circus of keystone cops into brilliant, but dastardly trap.

You see.. Manafort, Sessions, Kushner, and Jr. were all on their way to church to donate to the poor when Hillary, Obama and George Soros snuck up to them, all disguised as coal miners and asked them to attend meetings they thought were strategy sessions to harvest clean coal. When they showed up at these meetings the attendees were instead all Russian spies, who everyone knows are great friends of the Democrats.

Ya gotta hand it to those evil Democrats. They sure know how to trick those stupid, but well-meaning Trumpies!

That's freak'in brilliant. I shared with my family to loads of laughs.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Try not telling lie after lie in a thread about people who tell lie after lie


I said nothing about what the form does say or whether anyone had to report any meeting. I merely noted that your claim was a completely dishonest work of fiction. Did you forget your forget your lie so quickly? Here it is


Please quote from the form where it says there is no obligation to report contacts with american citizens or admit that there is no such exclusion

It's amazing to me; since I started out here, observing different posters and their styles.

There's this odd, yet identifialbe core of, well, just pathologically dishonest posters.

Rationalization has been taken to an art form.

Sad.

 

[lurchadams]

This reminds me of Watergate with Nixon. The Republicans gained nothing by breaking into the DNC headquarters. Then to make it even worse came the cover up and denial.
It was a very foolish and juvenile mission for god knows what purpose.

Now we basically have the same it appears.

When in doubt , tell the truth. Really, adoption was the topic?


It all reminds me of COPS tv show where a bad guy gets all tangled up in his lies and the officer just looks at the camera and gives that look.

An interesting side note regarding Nixon is that his loyal base stuck with him pretty much right up until he was forced to resign. Just like Trump supporters are sticking with Trump right now. History does repeat itself. The difference is, Nixon was a true statesman before he lost his mind. Trump has never contributed anything of value to anyone but himself and his own family. Trump is a symbol of the idiocracy that is threatening to take over this nation. I hear Kid Rock might run for the senate in Michigan. And so it continues....

 

[lurchadams]

That's freak'in brilliant. I shared with my family to loads of laughs.

They say laughter is the best medicine.

 

[Fletch]

Yes, all three have been proven to have done so. That you don't want that to be the case is irrelevant.

None have been proven to have done so. That you wish they were is irrelevant.

 

[apdst]

Junior's email chain -- which he forwarded to Manafort and Kushner long before its release -- has exposed the lie in pretty much every single thing the Trump administration has said about Russia in the last year.

At the very least, there's a few people guilty of perjury here.

NOW...you're going to nut up about politicians lying? The past 8 years, you were mute.

 

[apdst]

Disclosure forms can be amended retroactively. It is done all the time.

In fact, the meeting in question was "discovered" as the result of Jared Kushner's amending his disclosure form.

Of note; according to the news reports there were three other people present at the Trump Jr. meeting.

This included: Rinat Akhmetshin a Russian-American lobbyist; a translator; and a representative of the Russian family who had asked Goldstone to set up the meeting.

The "Russian Agent" Trump Jr. is supposed to have failed to mention is Rinat Akhmetshin...who happens to be a naturalized AMERICAN citizen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rinat_Akhmetshin#cite_note-Eckel-7

Nor is he registered as a foreign agent under the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), although some believe that he should be.

He is a lobbyist for hire and has been working with Veselnitskaya's organization to overturn the Magnitsky adoption ban sanctions.

As he is an American citizen, there is no obligation to report him as a "foreign contact" on any disclosure form.

You might as well be talking to yourself on that score.

 

[JamesBY]

Junior's email chain -- which he forwarded to Manafort and Kushner long before its release -- has exposed the lie in pretty much every single thing the Trump administration has said about Russia in the last year.

At the very least, there's a few people guilty of perjury here.

They are guilty of lying, and the very act of taking the meeting with people whom they believed to be representing the Russians and the Russian government's interest is the overt act in proving the conspiracy. They are and were members of the Trump Crime Family.

 

[Captain America]

Yet, there was a (C) mark )for confidential) (marked in error) on an insignificant email out of 100,000 Clinton emails regarding a freakin' condolence call -- and the right wing had a major cow fit about it.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

I was kinda thinking the same thing. Here we have all these Trump apologists making excuses and saying things like, "But no charges have been filed! No laws have been proven to be broken with intent," "Nothing burgers," "nothing to see here," yada, yada, yada.....

Well the same could be said for Keg-leg Clinton what with all the investigations, Benghazi, emails, servers, yada, yada, yada....

Yet, these same Trumpster's, who defend him tooth and nail, were the FIRST people to chant "Lock her up!"

The hypocrisy IS astounding. Of course, a Trumptard is incapable of realizing that. So, what ya gonna do? :shrug: Can't cure stupid.

 

[year2late]

Try reading for comprehension.

This part of the form is asking for a list of foreign contacts for whom the person seeking clearance has provided "advice or support." That means pro-active aide to THEM, not vice-versa. :roll:

Flynn clearly acted in such capacity. The Trump Jr. meeting? Not so much IMO.

Easy to misunderstand if someone was expecting to get advice or support. :coffeepap:

Did Junior amend the form to indicate "yes" ?

According to your interpretation -Donald Jrs comprehension is substandard.

 

[Parrish]

None have been proven to have done so. That you wish they were is irrelevant.

Then-Sen. Sessions lied to Sen. Franken during his confirmation hearing to be AG.

 

[DA60]

I wonder if and/or when Donald Trump will ask Fox to fire Shep Smith and/or Chris Wallace?

And I wonder if Trump thinks this conversation on Fox was/is 'Fake News'?


My guesses are a) he would if he thought he could get away with it, and b) I think he thinks any news against him is 'fake'...no matter the source.


Up until last year, I used to think Nixon was the most emotionally disturbed POTUS in my lifetime. I no longer feel that way.