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Sexual Harassment In Hollywood

Is This Sexual Harassment?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 22.2%
  • No

    Votes: 4 44.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 3 33.3%

  • Total voters
    9
I only responded because your remark about people being scared to vote in your poll did not make any sense. No dire consequences will ensue by voting.

Just pointing out the fact that you said you didn't have the time to vote but that you have the time to reply to posts in this thread.
 
Well in that particular case it's more about what the role dictates. As I said unless you're talking about pornography....... Well choosing to be a body double is similar to choosing to be in pornography. You know that's what you're getting into when you sign up for it. There's really no way around that. I don't think you can realistically say the same thing about generally being an actress. There are plenty of famous actresses that have never needed to show nudity on camera in any of their roles. There are very few men who have ever had to show anything above and beyond their back side on camera, and even in those cases I think the guys were more than happy to do it. It seems like every movie Kevin Coster was in for awhile there he showed his ass.

But, isn't that what these actresses do when they sign up for a part that includes nudity or sex scenes? They know what they are signing up for so how can they claim after the fact that they felt pressured into doing it in order to get ahead? That's what the poll question is all about. Do actresses have the right to go back in time and claim sexual harassment for signing up to do a nude scene because they felt they had no other choice. I realize that this particular scenario hasn't actually happened yet but I wanted to know DP's opinions on the subject because, realistically, this really could happen. Sharon Stone could come out and say that she was a victim of sexual harassment for accepting the Basic Instinct movie because at the time her "career" was at a crossroads. It was either accept the part or get sucked into a black hole forever.
 
It's actually a very easy question. Is a starving actress who needs work, having that pressure on her, being sexually harassed by being offered a part in a movie with nudity or sex scenes in it? Are you afraid to answer no? Are you afraid to answer yes?

Being offered a part is not sexual harassment if that is all it is and is done professionally.
 
Here's an educational article about sexual harassment for those who are still having difficulty understanding why you can't grope other people's bodies.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/20/sexual-harassment-women-curfew

And for the record, almost every woman of my acquaintance has been sexually harassed.

The first time I was harassed on the job, I was 25 years old, and on a business trip with my 50-something (new) boss. Our first day in Fargo, North Dakota, he invited me to come to his hotel room for a massage. I politely declined and explained that I was MARRIED. He didn't take it well. Almost every day, it was some new request to touch my body or for me to touch him. When I kept declining, he started badmouthing me around the company, and in our interactions, he referred to me as a frigid bitch.

Ironically, this was during the Clarence Thomas hearings. I learned a lot from those hearings. I learned that if I complained publicly, he would still win, and I would lose because I would be labeled a troublemaker and man-hater. Finally, his boss was replaced by a new female boss, and he stopped sexually harassing me, probably because he realized it was no longer an old boys club.

He was not the first, and he wasn't the last, but thankfully I'm now old enough that most of that has stopped.

Did he ever touch you inappropriately?
 
Well, this has been the flavor of the last month so I wanted to ask in a poll if the following is sexual harassment. How far are we going to take this?

OK. Let's first talk about the casting couch. It is fairly easy to argue that if you visit the casting couch and you are asked to do certain things in exchange for being casted in a movie, that that could possibly catapult your career into stardom, fame and money. And, of course, the more slimy people could say that if you became a star as a result then, maybe, it was worth the price you paid. On the other hand, maybe you paid the price but didn't get casted in the movie at all and basically, um, um, got screwed. Or, maybe you did get the part but the movie was a bomb and then I guess you could say that your "investment" did not pay off. Let's say that a slimy person could argue that this was sort of like prostitution, you sell yourself and get something in return for your "time" and that this is not really sexual harassment at all but a "professional business arrangement, agreed to by both parties". OK, I don't want to really start a debate on this so I'll concede that this was sexual harassment.

Now that I've laid out my foundation, so to speak, I'm getting into the crux of my poll question. Let's say that there actually was not a casting couch at all in my poll question example but you (let's say you are a female for the sake of argument) read for a part in a movie that involved nudity. Maybe we can even say that you are Sharon Stone reading for the lead in the movie "Basic Instinct". If I remember correctly, Sharon Stone was not really much of a household name before the movie but catapulted to stardom, fame, and money afterwards. Is it sexual harassment if a movie calls for nudity (or a quick flash) and the reason you did it was because you felt pressured with the need to work and wanted to "become a star"? Can it be argued that just the fact that a movie calls for nudity and sex scenes, that this is actually a form of sexual harassment because you feel you have to do this in order to take a chance at being a star (or even just to pay your bills)? If you were to turn down the movie with nudity, flashes, or sex scenes you may wind up falling into the trash heap of aspiring actresses that were sucked into the black hole of nothingness, never to be seen or heard from again (kind of like what might happen if you didn't pay the casting couch price to get ahead). Of course we are going to assume that a majority of male movie goers want to see some skin and sex scenes and, to some extent, women do too.

So, is it sexual harassment just for women to be subjected to reading for a movie that involved, nudity, sex scenes, flashes, and the like? After all, they could make movies with no skin, no sex, no flashes, etc. and women could just be casted as women instead of sex objects.

Sexual Harassment: harassment in a workplace, or other professional or social situation, involving the making of unwanted sexual advances or obscene remarks.

Not exactly a difficult concept. Not sure why you are making it so convoluted.
 
That means your answer is no then. Was that really so difficult?

Not once you asked a clear and concise question as opposed to that convoluted mess you had before...
 
Does it matter if he did, in your mind?

If so, why?

Women do it too... if you watched Horrible Bosses you would see how bad men are abused.
 
Women do it too... if you watched Horrible Bosses you would see how bad men are abused.

I have no doubt. I've never done it to any of the guys who work for me, but sexual harassment/assault is frequently more about power disparity than gender, in my mind.
 
Sexual Harassment: harassment in a workplace, or other professional or social situation, involving the making of unwanted sexual advances or obscene remarks.

Not exactly a difficult concept. Not sure why you are making it so convoluted.

So, how did you vote? That sounds like a no. Did you vote no?
 
Perhaps I'm tired but I'm having trouble getting to what you're asking. Whether or not harassment has occured all comes down to "consent".

If you are interviewing for a job and the employer makes it clear that you will get the job by performing a sex act, that is harassment.

Nudity is just one component of what occurs in movies. Rearging the nudity in "Basic Instinct", Sharon Stone had several options:

1. She could have offered to appear in the movie but have negotiated a body double, or "stunt vagina" for the brief scene without briefs.

2. She could have declined the movie role altogether.

Now, if the casting agent blackballed Stone for refusing to go comando, Stone could make a case and sue the agent for
harassment.

Your argument that Stone was not a household name before Basic Instinct I disagree with. I remember Stone's beauty had quite an impact on me in the movie, "Total Recall" and her resume' was quite extensive before that, by the way :)
 
I have no doubt. I've never done it to any of the guys who work for me, but sexual harassment/assault is frequently more about power disparity than gender, in my mind.

I was kinda joking because the movie is a comedy with Jennifer Aniston.
 
Not once you asked a clear and concise question as opposed to that convoluted mess you had before...

You read too much into the OP. I gave a little background and asked a simple question. Is being offered a part in a movie that requires nudity sexual harassment? You seemed to answer no so you should vote that way. With the current atmosphere of sexual harassment it could be entirely possible that Sharon Stone (one example) could come out and claim she felt pressured to do the Basic Instinct movie or her career might be over if she didn't take the part. Not a threat from a person or the establishment, but her interpretation of where her career might have gone if she didn't take the part.
 
Isn't it great how these creeps get exposed decades later and Hollywood is like, "We all knew -- everyone knew." Whyyyyyyyyyy would anyone continue to work with these people and not expose them for what they are immediately?
 
I was kinda joking because the movie is a comedy with Jennifer Aniston.

Is it even sexual harassment if Jennifer Aniston is sexually harassing you?






















I kid, I kid.
 
Is it even sexual harassment if Jennifer Aniston is sexually harassing you?






















I kid, I kid.

I know... I kid too... but...
 
So, how did you vote? That sounds like a no. Did you vote no?

WTF is wrong with you? You made a poll, and followed up by repeatedly following those who didn't respond the way you want by demanding why they didn't vote in it? I didn't vote in the damned thing either. Move. On.
 
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