Sexual attraction vs romantic attraction

[James972]

behaviors, which have nothing to do with genetics.

1) what would be your best example of this?????
2) if some behaviors have nothing to do with genetics what do they have to do with????

 

[James972]

. Worshiping and working are learned behaviors and have no genetics ties.

so what are they tied too??? Isn't learning fun?

 

[davidgarcia]

I think biology and behaviors go hand in hand. You cannot do actions (all of the actions that you mentioned above) if you do not have a motive. If those actions are just biological functions, then we are just like animals who just do whatever they want. For example, if you are hungry, you'll eat immediately without any thoughts of what consequence may happen. Another, how can you walk to one place if you don't know your motives? Genetics is another factor, but this is complex to understand. The reason for this is because human beings are multi factorial individuals. We do not based our actions just because of our genetics, environment, influences, and social factors. All of this are integrated as one, and I think this is what makes us humans.

 

[James972]

I think biology and behaviors go hand in hand.

not sure what hand in hand means. Better to say all behavior is biologically dictated and we have no free will. So, when people engage in queer sexual behavior that behavior goes extinct as we evolve toward ever more efficient procreation.

 

[davidgarcia]

not sure what hand in hand means. Better to say all behavior is biologically dictated and we have no free will. So, when people engage in queer sexual behavior that behavior goes extinct as we evolve toward ever more efficient procreation.

What i meant by there is that biology cannot be alone nor our behaviors. Not all behavior are biologically dictated because biology can be behavior dictated too. These two needed each other for an action to occur. Free will is a choice though, it what complete our decision. For your example, if one engaged with a sexual desire (biology kicks in), our behavior starts to influence our decision, yet our free will finalizes it. I do not know if that makes sense, I sound like a ridiculous psychoanalysts lol.

 

[James972]

. Not all behavior are biologically dictated because biology can be behavior dictated too.

biology dictates all behavior. It dictates for example that you eat and enjoy it or feel tremendous pain if you don't. No other behavior is permitted.

 

[FieldTheorist]

I picked the third one for myself. I have been sexually attracted to many women I wasn't in love with. But I have never been in love with a woman with whom I didn't also want to be intimate. As I fall in love with a woman I become more sexually attracted to them.

Maybe that will change. Is it possible I won't be sexually attracted to my wife but still be in love with her when we are both in our 90s? Perhaps. Certainly not an issue yet.

As a gut reaction, I have the same response to this question. However, I'll add that other cultures have had some notion of romantic attraction (I believe certain African tribes) that didn't involve sexual relations. Personally, I think in American culture we would probably define that as close friendship and companionship, but I guess I don't really care enough to split too many hairs over this issue.

 

[maquiscat]

And now you've back slid. Four post to answer a single post. I guess I should be apologizing for overwhelming you with too much in a single post.

actually evolution often depends on mutations. Greedy queer behavior is a mutation that will lose out to loving, familial, heterosexual Judeo Christian behavior for obvious reasons.

Remember what you think is obvious is not always so. So how about posting these so called "obvious" reasons. You have yet to show how genetics play a part in religious selection or other behaviors....well at least not without trying to falsely conflate them with bodily functions. Agreed that any change in genetic structure is a mutation, and despite common parlance, they are neither positive nor negative since such is subjective value. At best they are measurein successful or unsuccessful, and/or how long such a success lasts.

yes but biology dictates behavior

And yet you still haven't provided any evidence of such. You either try to provide a falsely equivalence with bodily functions, or deflect the question with a de facto fallacy argument of what else could it be. As noted earlier, and ignored by you, the few behaviors that are genetic/biological in origin, instincts, are abllle to,be overwritten by trauma, training and education. Now if you are correct that all behavior is genetically based, then to be able to change any behavior, not just instincts, means being able to rewrite an individual's genetic structure. Please provide the evidence that such is possible.

1) what would be your best example of this?????

You provided one of the best examples, yourself:religious selection and behavior. According to your assertions the actions and behaviors of the members of WBC are sourced in genetics. But again, if that comes from their genetic code how are they able to rewrite their genetic code in order to leave WBC as some have done? It's one thing to try and look at human behavior as an collective, and project the overall changes in behaviors on genetics. While incorrect, it is at least a logical progression from the faulty premise. However, that still doesn't explain how an individual can change behavior since their genetic code does not change over their lifetime.

2) if some behaviors have nothing to do with genetics what do they have to do with????

Learning, experience, other's behaviors. Things that are not part of our genetic code. Once again, what part of our genetic code determines what religion we will follow, and how do people manage to change religions without changing their genetic code?

so what are they tied too??? Isn't learning fun?

You still haven't shown that they are tied to genetics yet alone anything. You're using a false dichotomy to try to claim that behaviors have to be tied to only one thing. Behaviors are learned things and can be changed. Genetics, within an individual, cannot be changed. My eye color is genetically based. I can't change that. Sure I can do cosmetic thing to present a different color to others, but the actual eye color does not change.

 

[maquiscat]

I think biology and behaviors go hand in hand. You cannot do actions (all of the actions that you mentioned above) if you do not have a motive. If those actions are just biological functions, then we are just like animals who just do whatever they want. For example, if you are hungry, you'll eat immediately without any thoughts of what consequence may happen.

If you are starving perhaps, but just hungry? No. People all the time make decisions based on consequences, real or perceived, as to eating. Deciding to wait till they can get to vegetables instead of chocolate because they are on a diet or just want to be overalll healthier. Additionally, while hunger itself is a biological function to tell a person when they need to consume more food, there is nothing genetic that will determine whether a person will choose McD's over BK, or fast food over home cooked, which is James' assertion.

Another, how can you walk to one place if you don't know your motives?

People wander all the time, without having a place in mind when they start.

Genetics is another factor, but this is complex to understand. The reason for this is because human beings are multi factorial individuals. We do not based our actions just because of our genetics, environment, influences, and social factors. All of this are integrated as one, and I think this is what makes us humans.

I agree. We have behaviors, biological functions, instincts, etc. Not all are genetically based. Some do overlap, and you have to look at the individual aspects. Eating is a biological function. Where and what you eat is behavior. The former has a genetic base, the later does not.

 

[maquiscat]

not sure what hand in hand means. Better to say all behavior is biologically dictated and we have no free will. So, when people engage in queer sexual behavior that behavior goes extinct as we evolve toward ever more efficient procreation.

Is efficient procreation a good thing? If we get reallly efficient at it, we will overpopulated and exhaust our resources. Logically, evolution will then develop a way to reduce the surplus population.

 

[maquiscat]

What i meant by there is that biology cannot be alone nor our behaviors. Not all behavior are biologically dictated because biology can be behavior dictated too. These two needed each other for an action to occur. Free will is a choice though, it what complete our decision. For your example, if one engaged with a sexual desire (biology kicks in), our behavior starts to influence our decision, yet our free will finalizes it. I do not know if that makes sense, I sound like a ridiculous psychoanalysts lol.

I'm going to disagree with you slightly here. The sexual desire occurs, whether we want it to or not. That is the biology part, and would be genetically based. Now maybe it was the use of the word engaged, but that to me indicates choice, in that context. Our behavior is what we do when confronting with the sexual desire. Behavior is the result of decisions. Granted behavior, such as developing habits, can then influence later decisions, they don't determine them.

 

[maquiscat]

biology dictates all behavior. It dictates for example that you eat and enjoy it or feel tremendous pain if you don't. No other behavior is permitted.

Again you are conflating two different things. Yes, the biological drive for sustenance will eventuallly force a person to consume food. That doesn't mean that they will enjoy what they are consuming. I despise tomatoes and shellfish. Yet if hungry enough, as in starving, I will eat them, but that doesn't mean that I will enjoy them. This is before we look at the fact that the action of eating is not behavior. Behavior would be making more home cooked meals instead of going out in order to eat, or going to McD's when hungry instead of balanced meals. Behaviors are aggregate things, as oppose to individual actions and decisions, and they are learned and developed. They have no basis in genetics.

 

[davidgarcia]

biology dictates all behavior. It dictates for example that you eat and enjoy it or feel tremendous pain if you don't. No other behavior is permitted.

I cannot agree with this because I think this statement is shallow. There are a lot of influences in life that we are unaware of, and they are multi-dimensional.

 

[davidgarcia]

I'm going to disagree with you slightly here. The sexual desire occurs, whether we want it to or not. That is the biology part, and would be genetically based. Now maybe it was the use of the word engaged, but that to me indicates choice, in that context. Our behavior is what we do when confronting with the sexual desire. Behavior is the result of decisions. Granted behavior, such as developing habits, can then influence later decisions, they don't determine them.

You may be right, I maybe right. The truth is I don't know. There are a lot of factors that influence our actions and these examples are just a portion of it. From what I know, There are no laws yet which govern our action, all claims are just theories that are still under criticism.

 

[James972]

Remember what you think is obvious is not always so.

oh?? do you have an example or just BSingG??

 

[James972]

There are a lot of influences in life that we are unaware of, and they are multi-dimensional.

if so why so afraid to identify the best example?

 

[James972]

There are no laws yet which govern our action,.

goofy gibberish!!! govt has millions of laws that govern our action.

 

[James972]

Again you are conflating two different things. Yes, the biological drive for sustenance will eventuallly force a person to consume food. That doesn't mean that they will enjoy what they are consuming.

so??? nature only cares that you consume food not that you enjoy it. Do you have any idea what your subject is?.

 

[James972]

I despise tomatoes and shellfish. Yet if hungry enough, as in starving, I will eat them, but that doesn't mean that I will enjoy them.

and??????did someone disagree??

 

[James972]

Behaviors are aggregate things, as oppose to individual actions and decisions,

feel embarrassed yet?

behavior: "the way in which an animal or person acts in response to a particular situation or stimulus."

plural noun: behaviours; plural noun: behaviors
"the feeding behavior of predators"

 

[James972]

Behavior would be making more home cooked meals instead of going out in order to eat, or going to McD's when hungry instead of balanced meals. Behaviors are aggregate things, as oppose to individual actions and decisions, and they are learned and developed. They have no basis in genetics.

if behaviors have no basis in genetics then it is just coincidence that people learned and developed to eat food rather than dirt??

 

[James972]

James:so what are they[behaviors] tied too[if not genitics]??? Isn't learning fun?

Musquait: You still haven't shown that they are tied to genetics yet alone anything.

James: for 4th time, what are they tied to??????????????????????????

 

[davidgarcia]

goofy gibberish!!! govt has millions of laws that govern our action.

Not the government law. Advance research than "theory". The "laws" like Isaac Newton's law.

 

[James972]

That is so stupid. No disrespect. How does whether or not they claim that they need both impact what you just mentioned?

he admits to being a greedy queer and is looking to normalize his uncivilized liberal behavior, nothing more.

 

[James972]

Not the government law. Advance research than "theory". The "laws" like Isaac Newton's law.

we are talking about biology not physics!!