Senate rejects Trump border emergency as Republicans defect

[tres borrachos]

Yep, you have to respect him for what he is doing for our country. He's working hard to get things done, especially against the Schumer/Pelosi types that only have the interests of big government and power that they fight for. He's the first President in a long time that actually tries to protect our Constitutional rights. Even for those that don't have the ability to think independently from their leftist masters. His glorious veto today is a bulwark against the forces that would do harm to us.

I don't respect him. You're free to. But I don't respect people because my masters tell me to. Respect is earned. Adults learn that long before we become adults.

I can't wait until he tells you to go to Guyana. Just watch what you drink.

Let us know when Mexico pays for the wall. That's what he promised you. He lied to you, and he's laughing at the uneducated who he loves so much. You know, the ones who would continue to support him even if he shot someone in broad daylight. Many of those people post here.

 

[Anthony60]

President Trump has signed the first veto of his presidency, rejecting a measure that would reverse that national emergency he declared on the southern border.

Following the law and it's provisions for proceeding. Congress did not have enough votes to override. I'm wondering, anything in the bill allows Congress, after they didn't have enough votes to override the veto, to just go around the law and have a judge step in and make the decision?

 

[JasperL]

You are conflating Trump with Congress. He's not responsible for their past and current failures to protect the border. It's been an emergency for a while not, but officially since Trump declared it so. No reason he should stop trying, just because Congress is a mess.

His total 'wall' request from March 2018 through January 2019 was for $1.6 billion. He got $1.6B in the compromise deal. He's responsible for requesting $1.6B and getting it, then deciding because it's Trump and he's like a 4 year old, that what he asked for and got wasn't enough! He needed MORE! The only "emergency" is that Trump decided on a whim that he needed an extra $4 billion or so and the meanies in Congress didn't give it to him.

 

[Anthony60]

I don't respect him. You're free to. But I don't respect people because my masters tell me to. Respect is earned. Adults learn that long before we become adults.

I can't wait until he tells you to go to Guyana. Just watch what you drink.

Let us know when Mexico pays for the wall. That's what he promised you. He lied to you, and he's laughing at the uneducated who he loves so much. You know, the ones who would continue to support him even if he shot someone in broad daylight. Many of those people post here.

Well, it depends who he shoots. What are you talking, Pelosi, Schumer, A-oc? Treason can carry a death sentence, you know.

 

[JasperL]

Following the law and it's provisions for proceeding. Congress did not have enough votes to override. I'm wondering, anything in the bill allows Congress, after they didn't have enough votes to override the veto, to just go around the law and have a judge step in and make the decision?

Sure, the Congress and others (e.g. states, landowners on the border whose property will be seized) can turn to the courts when they believe the POTUS is acting unconstitutionally. Congress did the same with Obama more than once, and won their cases.

 

[Anthony60]

His total 'wall' request from March 2018 through January 2019 was for $1.6 billion. He got $1.6B in the compromise deal. He's responsible for requesting $1.6B and getting it, then deciding because it's Trump and he's like a 4 year old, that what he asked for and got wasn't enough! He needed MORE! The only "emergency" is that Trump decided on a whim that he needed an extra $4 billion or so and the meanies in Congress didn't give it to him.

I seem to remember something in the $5b - $25b range. The exact amount is not all that important, as that will always change. They just need to get it built.

 

[tres borrachos]

Well, it depends who he shoots. What are you talking, Pelosi, Schumer, A-oc? Treason can carry a death sentence, you know.

You have to tell us who he was talking about. Thank goodness nobody has ever tasked me with interpreting the man's words. I'd rather not ever want to consider what goes through that brain.

 

[Anthony60]

Sure, the Congress and others (e.g. states, landowners on the border whose property will be seized) can turn to the courts when they believe the POTUS is acting unconstitutionally. Congress did the same with Obama more than once, and won their cases.

Hey, we might get lucky and actually get a judge that wants to follow the Constitution on that day, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[JasperL]

I seem to remember something in the $5b - $25b range. The exact amount is not all that important, as that will always change. They just need to get it built.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/budget-fy2019.pdf

See page 57.

Critical investments include $1.6 billion for construction of the border wall and $782 million to hire and
support 2,750 additional law enforcement officers and agents at U.S. Customs and Border Protection
(CBP) and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). The Budget also requests $2.5 billion for
detaining up to 47,000 illegal aliens on a daily basis.

And the "exact amount" does matter because that's what the White House tells Congress it needs to spend - that exact amount. And, no, it doesn't work for POTUS to wake up in December, months after the new budget year began, and call over to Ryan and McConnell - "Hey guys, I changed my mind! All that work you've done on the budget - change it! I need $4 billion more for the wall by next week or I'm shutting it all down!! Oh, yeah, and I'll have DHS draw up a request telling you why and where I'll spend the money and get it to you next MONTH! So just give me the money blind, Okee dokee?"

 

[JasperL]

Hey, we might get lucky and actually get a judge that wants to follow the Constitution on that day, but I'm not holding my breath.

I try not to predict what the courts will do, but I hope they don't approve of using bogus emergency declarations to get around funding disputes with Congress. I actually think the separation of powers is a good thing, even when POTUS doesn't get what I really, really want POTUS to get from Congress. If Pres. Bernie wants to build 10,000 clinics, Congress needs to approve that. He shouldn't be able to declare an emergency and reallocate spending from other areas to fund his priorities if Congress said NO.

Here what you are really doing is saying you don't want Trump to be bound by spending decisions made by Congress, and your defense of that is it might be legal to go around them in this case. That's fine, but don't be surprised when the next POTUS abuses the privilege, and I'm afraid they will because why not do it?

 

[Deuce]

So, all you have left is rhetoric? Thanks for the white flag.

I could post polls about the wall, vote results, etc. Do you want those numbers? Will they change your mind? The people don't want this wall. You can twist and spin and squirm all you want, that fact will not change.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

LOL, of course Dear Leader can do no wrong. :roll:

It sure looks that way according to your assessment. I am just going by your word that he has stopped using illegals.

 

[Anthony60]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/budget-fy2019.pdf

See page 57.



And the "exact amount" does matter because that's what the White House tells Congress it needs to spend - that exact amount. And, no, it doesn't work for POTUS to wake up in December, months after the new budget year began, and call over to Ryan and McConnell - "Hey guys, I changed my mind! All that work you've done on the budget - change it! I need $4 billion more for the wall by next week or I'm shutting it all down!! Oh, yeah, and I'll have DHS draw up a request telling you why and where I'll spend the money and get it to you next MONTH! So just give me the money blind, Okee dokee?"

They can request whatever they need. Are you saying that it is now capped at $1.6b and they can never ask for more money? Have you seen how things work in Washington?

 

[Anthony60]

I could post polls about the wall, vote results, etc. Do you want those numbers? Will they change your mind? The people don't want this wall. You can twist and spin and squirm all you want, that fact will not change.

What? CNN? Thinkprogress? Motherjones? MSNBC? Don't waste the bandwidth.

 

[Deuce]

What? CNN? Thinkprogress? Motherjones? MSNBC? Don't waste the bandwidth.

You contest the election vote totals? That's cute.

 

[Anthony60]

You contest the election vote totals? That's cute.

Are you responding to the wrong post? You make no sense. Well, I mean even less than usual.

 

[trixare4kids]

Good for Trump. Not only does he want to put a stop to exploiting immigrants but has set an example by no longer doing it himself. Now if we could get all the bought and paid for puppets in congress to stop supporting criminal activity and to start doing something about it we could solve this problem. Oh wait we still have all the people in this country who think exploiting immigrants is a good idea along with not securing our border. Oh well 1 man struggling against many is probably not going to get anything done. I guess that is why we have 10 million people in our country illegally.
Criminals support criminal behavior.

They do....Though a misdemeanor, it's still supporting criminal behavior. Some of the people who came through the fence in Imperial Beach, CA. yesterday might have criminal records in their countries of origin. They get in, unchecked. Those who do not support the president's effort to secure our borders are complicit with helping criminals evade our porous borders. And I know this because I used to live in Imperial Beach for 10 years. We all know that ALL the Republicans will rally around Trump once the SC rules. The Dems. will still resist because Oh, Trump; ssdd.

Video shows dozens slip through hole in border wall, run into US

 

[Deuce]

Are you responding to the wrong post? You make no sense. Well, I mean even less than usual.

People voted in Democrats to stop Trump's wall. Hell, more people voted against Trump than for him.

And yes, the polls how a majority of Americans are against the emergency declaration. Pretend all you want, it's a fact.

 

[sjmay]

People voted in Democrats to stop Trump's wall. Hell, more people voted against Trump than for him.

And yes, the polls how a majority of Americans are against the emergency declaration. Pretend all you want, it's a fact.

Same polls projected a Clinton win,

Polls heavily depend on the actual questions asked, and where they are asked.

I can poll a million people in LA and NY and you would think the country has a leftish lean, that the MAJORITY leans left, and that wouldn't be the exact truth.

 

[Anthony60]

People voted in Democrats to stop Trump's wall. Hell, more people voted against Trump than for him.

And yes, the polls how a majority of Americans are against the emergency declaration. Pretend all you want, it's a fact.

That’s why they voted for Democrats? More likely due to the 2 year smear campaign since he took power.

Did you know that laws aren’t changed every time some Marxist website takes a poll skewed to get the results they want. That’s a fact.

 

[Deuce]

Same polls projected a Clinton win,

The night before the election they projected a ~75% chance she would win.

Polls heavily depend on the actual questions asked, and where they are asked.

None of them show a majority favoring the emergency declaration.

I can poll a million people in LA and NY and you would think the country has a leftish lean, that the MAJORITY leans left, and that wouldn't be the exact truth.

Stop the presses. A non-random sample doesn't yield the same results as a random sample. This guy just revolutionized statistics and polling. Better tell every pollster on the planet, because you're the first person to figure this out! :lamo

 

[Deuce]

That’s why they voted for Democrats? More likely due to the 2 year smear campaign since he took power.

Did you know that laws aren’t changed every time some Marxist website takes a poll skewed to get the results they want. That’s a fact.

Then people didn't vote for Trump because of a wall, it was due to the smear campaign against Muslims and latinos. This is fun, deciding why people voted.

 

[JasperL]

Same polls projected a Clinton win,

Polls heavily depend on the actual questions asked, and where they are asked.

I can poll a million people in LA and NY and you would think the country has a leftish lean, that the MAJORITY leans left, and that wouldn't be the exact truth.

So you also reject the monthly unemployment reports I assume. "The same polls also projected a Clinton win" after all.... :roll:

 

[Nap]

Just breaking.



WASHINGTON — The Republican-run Senate rejected President Donald Trump's declaration of a national emergency at the southwest border on Thursday, setting up a veto fight and dealing him a conspicuous rebuke as he tested how boldly he could ignore Congress in pursuit of his highest-profile goal.



The Senate voted 59-41 to cancel Trump's February proclamation of a border emergency, which he invoked to spend $3.6 billion more for border barriers than Congress had approved. Twelve Republicans joined Democrats in defying Trump in a showdown many GOP senators had hoped to avoid because he commands die-hard loyalty from millions of conservative voters who could punish defecting lawmakers in next year's elections.

More here:


Senate rejects Trump border emergency as Republicans defect

I am not the least bit surprised. Are you?

Actually I am surprised that 12 Republicans voted for this. That is a huge number. I figured it would be a half dozen.

I'm curious as to why more didn't vote yes. Pretty much any Republican that didn't vote to stop Trump on this is essentially dead to me.

Edit:: There is much I disagree with Wicker on, but glad to see he was on the short list of Republicans blocking it.

 

[Anthony60]

Then people didn't vote for Trump because of a wall, it was due to the smear campaign against Muslims and latinos. This is fun, deciding why people voted.

I don’t know of any smear campaigns like that.


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