Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

[Renae]

Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

Sen. Mazie Hirono (D-HI) told men to "shut up and step up" when it comes to Brett Kavanaugh's sexual assault accusation. Asked whether her being one of four women on the Senate Judiciary Committee impacts the Kavanaugh confirmation proceedings, Senator Hirono says, "I just want to say to the men of this country: Just shut up and step up. Do the right thing for a change."

"Not only do women like Dr. Ford, who bravely comes forward, need to be heard, but they need to be believed. They need to be believed," Hirono said. "We cannot continue the victimization and the smearing of someone like Dr. Ford."

"We have to create an environment where women can come forward and be heard and be listened to. I want to thank Dr. Ford. I commend her courage. I believe her," the Senator said.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...r_needs_to_be_believed_and_i_believe_her.html
She also gave orders to the press demanding that they run stories on how unfairly Ford is being treated.

This lady is scary. Straight up, demanding we toss aside such things as:
Presumption of Innocence
Due Process
Freedom of Speech

This is not a good look for the Democrat's, and they should distance themselves from her.

 

[Ikari]

Re: Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

I don't think she should be victimized or smeared, which the alt-right is certainly engaged in a smear campaign against her.

Believed? That would take evidence. We should take the accusations seriously and look into them, investigate as well as we can at this point. But evidence is required.

 

[Renae]

Re: Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

I don't think she should be victimized or smeared, which the alt-right is certainly engaged in a smear campaign against her.

Believed? That would take evidence. We should take the accusations seriously and look into them, investigate as well as we can at this point. But evidence is required.

"Drag a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park..." The GOP is merely playing catch up in the smear dept.

 

[Ikari]

Re: Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

"Drag a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park..." The GOP is merely playing catch up in the smear dept.

lol, they didn't have far to "catch up" on, but thanks for admitting they're no better than the Dems.

lol

 

[Renae]

Re: Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

lol, they didn't have far to "catch up" on, but thanks for admitting they're no better than the Dems.

lol

Merely pointing out that this isn't something new.

 

[MrWonka]

Re: Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

Presumption of Innocence
Due Process

This isn't a court that will be determining if Kavanaugh goes to jail. Being appointed to the Supreme Court is an incredible privilege and an honor. It's one that comes with an immense responsibility. Innocent until proven guilty is fine if he was being charged with sexual assault and facing prison time, but we have a duty to make sure that we have complete confidence in someone who would serve a lifetime appointment on the highest court in the land. Just like any other election the people voting on his nomination should use and consider any and all information about the candidates past when weighing in their decision. If they trust her word over his they are under no requirement to need further proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[late]

Re: Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

Presumption of Innocence

Due Process

Freedom of Speech

I can see why she frightens you...

But...

Ford, and the Dems, want the FBI to investigate this. The Republicans would love to ignore it. The Dems want to follow the usual process, which is to investigate the character of the nominee.

Due Process would be to investigate an allegation like this...

Trump is the one that doesn't like free speech. She wants Republicans to do their job. Which is something most of the country would like to see, not that there is any chance whatsoever they'll do that.

 

[Renae]

Re: Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

This isn't a court that will be determining if Kavanaugh goes to jail. Being appointed to the Supreme Court is an incredible privilege and an honor. It's one that comes with an immense responsibility. Innocent until proven guilty is fine if he was being charged with sexual assault and facing prison time, but we have a duty to make sure that we have complete confidence in someone who would serve a lifetime appointment on the highest court in the land. Just like any other election the people voting on his nomination should use and consider any and all information about the candidates past when weighing in their decision. If they trust her word over his they are under no requirement to need further proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

You ever gonna answer the other thread where I proved you were pushing a lie? Or you just gonna ignore that?

 

[Renae]

Re: Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

I can see why she frightens you...

But...

Ford, and the Dems, want the FBI to investigate this. The Republicans would love to ignore it. The Dems want to follow the usual process, which is to investigate the character of the nominee.

Due Process would be to investigate an allegation like this...

Trump is the one that doesn't like free speech. She wants Republicans to do their job. Which is something most of the country would like to see, not that there is any chance whatsoever they'll do that.

The FBI has no jurisdiction on the matter and made that clear. What they want is to delay the vote till after Nov in hopes they have the numbers to reject Kavanaugh.

This isn't about due process, if they cared this would have been brought up weeks ago.

Nice try.

 

[MrWonka]

Re: Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

You ever gonna answer the other thread where I proved you were pushing a lie? Or you just gonna ignore that?

Ha! You'll have to give me a hint as to where exactly you think you have ever proved anything. But since you're apparently deflecting and can't answer my response in this thread I don't know why you think I should waste my time on any of your nonsense.

 

[Praxas]

Re: Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

Merely pointing out that this isn't something new.

Nope Republicans have done it for decades. Glad you support it as long as it is Republicans doing it hun.

 

[Ikari]

Re: Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

Merely pointing out that this isn't something new.

Of course not, but smearing victims of sexual assault is rather low-class. While I don't necessarily think she should be "believed", I think she should be taken seriously.

But whatever, Republocrats aren't known for taking the high-road nor for possessing integrity.

 

[Renae]

Re: Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

Ha! You'll have to give me a hint as to where exactly you think you have ever proved anything. But since you're apparently deflecting and can't answer my response in this thread I don't know why you think I should waste my time on any of your nonsense.

Check back in your "Who Quoted me" It was in response to your assertions about the Illegal that killed that poor gal, you know the one where you claimed he was legally here. Yeah.

I'll answer you when you can man up and face the fact you were wrong.

 

[mike2810]

Re: Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

Honorable Sen. Mazie Hirono:

Twana Brawley
Duke Lacrosse Team.
etc.

Do you remember them?

 

[Renae]

Re: Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

Honorable Sen. Mazie Hirono:

Twana Brawley
Duke Lacrosse Team.
etc.

Do you remember them?

Juanita Brodrick, Paula Jones... How about this?

Keith Ellison domestic violence accuser says Democratic party doesn't believe her story | Fox News

The woman who accused Minnesota Democratic Rep. Keith Ellison of domestic abuse said on Monday that Democrats don’t believe her story and threatened to isolate her over the allegations.

Karen Monahan, a former girlfriend, came forward last month alleging that Ellison sent her threatening text messages and once screamed obscenities at her as he dragged her off a bed by her feet.

Ellison has denied the accusations, saying he “never behaved this way.” He did acknowledge he was in a relationship with the woman.

I wonder if those demanding an FBI inquiry believe her story blankly too?

 

[jimbo]

Re: Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

I don't think she should be victimized or smeared, which the alt-right is certainly engaged in a smear campaign against her.

Believed? That would take evidence. We should take the accusations seriously and look into them, investigate as well as we can at this point. But evidence is required.

It's the reverse. This woman and DiFi are engaging in a smear campaign against a Supreme Court Justice pick. The victim here is Kavanaugh.

This has been floating around for months. Times up.

 

[marke]

Re: Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...r_needs_to_be_believed_and_i_believe_her.html
She also gave orders to the press demanding that they run stories on how unfairly Ford is being treated.

This lady is scary. Straight up, demanding we toss aside such things as:
Presumption of Innocence
Due Process
Freedom of Speech

This is not a good look for the Democrat's, and they should distance themselves from her.

Democrats are showing all their dirty cards and underwear in this approval process. They are fighting tooth and nail to keep a good guy from sitting on the SCOTUS.

 

[MrMike]

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Hmmm...

Is she speaking out about the shaming/demonization from the Left towards the Keith Ellison accuser?

 

[Ikari]

Re: Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

The victim here is Kavanaugh.

Only if he actually hadn't done anything.

 

[Felis Leo]

Re: Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...r_needs_to_be_believed_and_i_believe_her.html
She also gave orders to the press demanding that they run stories on how unfairly Ford is being treated.

This lady is scary. Straight up, demanding we toss aside such things as:
Presumption of Innocence
Due Process
Freedom of Speech

This is not a good look for the Democrat's, and they should distance themselves from her.

Even though I disagree with her, when Senator Hirono says "Not only do women like Dr. Ford, who bravely comes forward, need to be heard, but they need to be believed. They need to be believed," Hirono said. "We cannot continue the victimization and the smearing of someone like Dr. Ford." I would certainly respect her position if she holds the same standard for all accusations from all women.

To note, I would want her opinion on, for example, Juanita Broderick vis-a-vis Bill Clinton. Or Karen Monahan and Amy Louise Alexander vis-a-vis Keith Ellison. Does she hold the same standard for them and would she advise everyone to believe them first and ask questions later, or does she believe in those cases we should wait to see the evidence? In other words, is her position regarding the believability of accusers consistent across the board, or simply a matter of partisan political convenience and posturing?

 

[Ikari]

Re: Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

Democrats are showing all their dirty cards and underwear in this approval process. They are fighting tooth and nail to keep a good guy from sitting on the SCOTUS.

These sorts of games are not just isolated of the Democrats.

 

[Renae]

Re: Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

Even though I disagree with her, when Senator Hirono says "Not only do women like Dr. Ford, who bravely comes forward, need to be heard, but they need to be believed. They need to be believed," Hirono said. "We cannot continue the victimization and the smearing of someone like Dr. Ford." I would certainly respect her position if she holds the same standard for all accusations from all women.

To note, I would want her opinion on, for example, Juanita Broderick vis-a-vis Bill Clinton. Or Karen Monahan and Amy Louise Alexander vis-a-vis Keith Ellison. Does she hold the same standard for them and would she advise everyone to believe them first and ask questions later, or does she believe in those cases we should wait to see the evidence? In other words, is her position regarding the believability of accusers consistent across the board, or simply a matter of partisan political convenience and posturing?

Well a quick look on the google machine says she's not commented, perhaps I'm wrong.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Re: Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...r_needs_to_be_believed_and_i_believe_her.html
She also gave orders to the press demanding that they run stories on how unfairly Ford is being treated.

This lady is scary. Straight up, demanding we toss aside such things as:
Presumption of Innocence
Due Process
Freedom of Speech

This is not a good look for the Democrat's, and they should distance themselves from her.

Nah. She doesn't scare me in the least and she's not doing what you claim.

You should trigger less easily.

 

[jimbo]

Re: Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

Only if he actually hadn't done anything.

There is zero evidence he has. Zero. And the time for bringing up this months old story has passed.

 

[Renae]

Re: Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

Nah. She doesn't scare me in the least and she's not doing what you claim.

You should trigger less easily.

Yes she is, I'm not triggered, and you don't' care about Ford the victim, you see her as a useful idiot to push an agenda you support.