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Self Identification Demands Placed On Others

You just identified them as age related. If they are found in others in fairly decent numbers, then that isnt an anomaly.

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I'm pretty sure that everything that identifies me as an "Old Guy" identifies many others as an "Old Guy".

That's why we get to hit off the Senior Tees. The benefits just NEVER seem to end. Until, of course, THE end.

An interesting personal perception change in me is that I see older beautiful women as more beautiful than younger beautiful women.

My bride, as an example, is always the most beautiful in any room we happen to be in. It's really quite enjoyable.
 
When the right recognizes they've been supporting a lying con-man, the left will recognize you as anything you wish.

The lying con man you reference said that he'd structure a country in which ALL AMERICANS could prosper.

Following his election, Americans are enjoying hundreds of record closes in the stock markets, the highest wage rates EVER, the highest household income EVER, the most Americans employed EVER.

Also, the lowest unemployment rates among Minorities and Women EVER.

Also the highest personal wealth among Americans EVER.

This sounds like promises made and promises kept.

What are you talking about? If someone tells me that he's going to do good stuff for me and then he does exactly what he said he'd do, I don't call that guy a lying con man.

Why do you?
 
Ha! Don't ask questions that you don't want to hear the answers to.

When I've heard of women voicing those words, the REAL question seems to be, more likely, "Do you still think I'm sexy?".

As with so much in life, we poor men will usually respond to a question like this with the sophistication of a Cocker Spaniel puppy.

It's really amazing that any of us survive. ;)
 
Do you understand the purpose for this ruling and the conditions that forced it to come to pass?
Give me your interpretation of it if you wish.
Why do YOU think this law came about?

My interpretation or feeling about this is non-consequential. Obviously.

The question rises because this is merely another example of elitists making the vast majority of people endorse by penalty of law insane stupidity.

The real test of dictatorial control is whether or not the rulers can make the subjects accept and support the obviously untrue.

When lies are forced upon the people by the elite, the real question is not, "Should the folks who question the lies question the lies?".

The real question is, "Why are the lies forced upon the people in the first place?".

A woman who is a woman is a woman. A man who is a man is a man. A man who self identifies as a woman is a man who self identifies as a woman.

This is not rocket science.
 
The lying con man you reference said that he'd structure a country in which ALL AMERICANS could prosper.

Following his election, Americans are enjoying hundreds of record closes in the stock markets, the highest wage rates EVER, the highest household income EVER, the most Americans employed EVER.

Also, the lowest unemployment rates among Minorities and Women EVER.

Also the highest personal wealth among Americans EVER.

This sounds like promises made and promises kept.

What are you talking about? If someone tells me that he's going to do good stuff for me and then he does exactly what he said he'd do, I don't call that guy a lying con man.

Why do you?

Trump inherited a good economy from obama, he's done nothing special except give the wealthy and corporate america tax cuts they didn't need. Where's the wall mexico is paying for? Where's the bigger, better cheaper health care for all?

The top one percent of americans own thirty eight percent of all stocks. Those in the top ten percent have a net worth of about a million dollars. Meanwhile those in the bottom fifty percent have almost no net value.

Keep voting republican and keep that top ten percent, the top ten percent.
 

Why did you link to an article that specifically opposes your conclusion?

From your link:

New NYC Laws Prohibit Discrimination Against Transgender Community
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According to the new guidelines, the commission can impose civil penalties of up to $125,000 for violations of the law and (in extreme circumstances) of up to $250,000 for violations that are the result of “willful, wanton, or malicious” conduct.
<snip>
 
Trump inherited a good economy from obama, he's done nothing special except give the wealthy and corporate america tax cuts they didn't need. Where's the wall mexico is paying for? Where's the bigger, better cheaper health care for all?

The top one percent of americans own thirty eight percent of all stocks. Those in the top ten percent have a net worth of about a million dollars. Meanwhile those in the bottom fifty percent have almost no net value.

Keep voting republican and keep that top ten percent, the top ten percent.

The statistics you quote are in place after 8 years of the Obama Administration.

Did this fact from the real world escape your incisive review?

Since the end of the Obama years, there have been a whole bunch of good things happening.

Recently, the numbers of folks illegally crossing the Southern Border has dropped. More wall is being built. By the end of 2020, the miles of effective wall on the border will have about doubled- not quite, but close.

Bigger, better cheaper healthcare for all? What happened to Obamacare? Wasn't that supposed to have been the answer to all healthcare ills?

Checking the real world for information reveals this:

U.S. Poverty Levels Fall To Pre-Recession Low [Infographic]
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The U.S. Census Bureau has released its latest report into income and poverty across the United States.

It found that median household income stood at $63,179 in 2018 while the median earnings of all workers increased 3.4 percent since 2017 to $40,247.

<snip>

In 2018, the official U.S. poverty rate was 11.8%, a reduction of 0.5 percentage points from 12.3% recorded in 2017.

For the first time in 11 years, poverty levels are significantly lower than in 2007, the year before the U.S. experienced its most recent recession.

Taking a closer look at the 2018 data, the poverty rates for children under 18 fell 1.2 percentage points to 16.2 percent.

Among those aged 65 and older, it remained at a constant 9.7%.

Back in 1959, the official poverty rate stood at 22.4% and it has decreased significantly in the decades since despite significant fluctuation, particularly in the mid-80s and 90s.
<snip>
 
The statistics you quote are in place after 8 years of the Obama Administration.

Did this fact from the real world escape your incisive review?

Since the end of the Obama years, there have been a whole bunch of good things happening.

Recently, the numbers of folks illegally crossing the Southern Border has dropped. More wall is being built. By the end of 2020, the miles of effective wall on the border will have about doubled- not quite, but close.

Bigger, better cheaper healthcare for all? What happened to Obamacare? Wasn't that supposed to have been the answer to all healthcare ills?

Checking the real world for information reveals this:

U.S. Poverty Levels Fall To Pre-Recession Low [Infographic]
<snip>
The U.S. Census Bureau has released its latest report into income and poverty across the United States.

It found that median household income stood at $63,179 in 2018 while the median earnings of all workers increased 3.4 percent since 2017 to $40,247.

<snip>

In 2018, the official U.S. poverty rate was 11.8%, a reduction of 0.5 percentage points from 12.3% recorded in 2017.

For the first time in 11 years, poverty levels are significantly lower than in 2007, the year before the U.S. experienced its most recent recession.

Taking a closer look at the 2018 data, the poverty rates for children under 18 fell 1.2 percentage points to 16.2 percent.

Among those aged 65 and older, it remained at a constant 9.7%.

Back in 1959, the official poverty rate stood at 22.4% and it has decreased significantly in the decades since despite significant fluctuation, particularly in the mid-80s and 90s.
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Border crossings under obama were at a fifty year low. And if you're claiming having over ten percent of america living in poverty as something good and the average income as forty K, in my opinion that's not much to be proud about. Forty k to a wealthy person is like a dime to me and you. Hey buddy, can ya' spare a dime?
 
When I've heard of women voicing those words, the REAL question seems to be, more likely, "Do you still think I'm sexy?".

LMAO and men answer in the affirmative not to spare feelings but to continue to get laid.
 
Why did you link to an article that specifically opposes your conclusion?

From your link:

New NYC Laws Prohibit Discrimination Against Transgender Community
<snip>
According to the new guidelines, the commission can impose civil penalties of up to $125,000 for violations of the law and (in extreme circumstances) of up to $250,000 for violations that are the result of “willful, wanton, or malicious” conduct.
<snip>

You can't read?
 
With the recent insanity regarding individuals demanding that the rest of us accept their insanity of self identification counter to reality, a thought struck me.
Here we go


I would like to self identify immediately as a very handsome, intelligent and graceful young man, physically beautiful and unblemished, with an engaging manner that is the fantasy dream of women.
sigh

"Self-identification" is not a denial of reality, as in your... "example." It is that for reasons we do not yet fully understand, but most likely with some biological basis (in at least some if not most cases), an individual experiences a mismatch between their biological characteristics and their own experience of their own gender.

I.e. no, you're not as clever as you think you are. You're only displaying your own bias and refusal to understand.
 
My interpretation or feeling about this is non-consequential. Obviously.

The question rises because this is merely another example of elitists making the vast majority of people endorse by penalty of law insane stupidity.

The real test of dictatorial control is whether or not the rulers can make the subjects accept and support the obviously untrue.

When lies are forced upon the people by the elite, the real question is not, "Should the folks who question the lies question the lies?".

The real question is, "Why are the lies forced upon the people in the first place?".

A woman who is a woman is a woman. A man who is a man is a man. A man who self identifies as a woman is a man who self identifies as a woman.

This is not rocket science.

So you DON'T understand why this law came into being, got it.
I'll explain.

Although you initially declined to explain why YOU think this law came about, eventually, just a few lines later, you let your interpretation slip out anyway. Nice try at attempting to make it "non-consequential".
(I believe the term is "inconsequential".)

YOUR INTERPRETATION:

A woman who is a woman is a woman. A man who is a man is a man. A man who self identifies as a woman is a man who self identifies as a woman.

And here's the rub:

Even IF "A man who self identifies as a woman is a man who self identifies as a woman", the fact remains that they wish to be identified by their female name and referred to as a female.
There apparently are people who refuse to do so, and many of them engage in a practice known as "deadnaming".
What is deadnaming? Say for instance I decide to transition from male to female.
My male name, Jeff, is dead to me. There is no more "Jeff" because for me, "Jeff is DEAD", HE no longer exists, or perhaps never really existed in the first place.

If I am not behaving like some troll, and truly and sincerely believe that Jeff no longer exists or never really existed, then the name itself, Jeff, is a DEAD NAME, it is the name of a being that is dead, dead to me, dead to everyone I know, dead to the universe.

If my name is Susan, and you continue to refer to me as "he" and as "Jeff", you're deadnaming me, which in effect means that you refuse to allow me my right to exist. My right to live as I see fit and to exist in society, no matter how YOU do not like it, is one of my CIVIL RIGHTS, and by continuing to deadname me, you're depriving me of my rights, including the right to be addressed in a manner of my choosing.
It is no different than calling me "BOY" or "NIGGER", or "JUDEN".
And in a work environment, it also constitutes a form of harassment, and by the way, it actually goes DEEPER than my sexual orientation or my sexual identity, because it also involves MY NAME.

Thus, in a very real sense, that is a separate issue because that last part can happen even if it had nothing to do with transitioning at all. I could be a woman who used to be Susan Phillips, until I married John Smith, and if you continue to refer to me as Susan Phillips instead of Susan Smith, despite my request that you stop referring to me as Susan Phillips, you are again depriving me of my civil rights.
And you're creating a hostile work environment. You might as well be calling me Susan Bitch, and that also applies to deadnaming, because it is much the same thing, with much the same result.
I have the right to be secure in my person and my personal effects, and I also have the right to be secure in my identity, my sense of self.

If you don't get all that, it is only because you refuse to get it, and that doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter if you like it, or get it, or don't get it, or don't like it.
This law, whether written well or written poorly, gets the job done because if you refuse to allow me the right to exist with an identity of my choosing, you're depriving me of my rights as a human being....MY RIGHT...my right AS A HUMAN BEING.

It does not cost you anything to refer to me as Susan Smith instead of Jeff H, but apparently the law says it will cost you if you insist on referring to me by the name of a dead person.
 
More like a man without a Y chromosome. Or a man is like a woman but with a Y. In any case, the DNA is the difference. Biology happens.

So the gender assigned at birth can be wrong ?


Or chromosomes are not the only guide ?
 
With the recent insanity regarding individuals demanding that the rest of us accept their insanity of self identification counter to reality, a thought struck me.

I happen to be an old guy about 10 or 20 pounds heavier than I would like to be. I have numerous skin areas that have veins displayed resembling maps of river deltas.

My face has wrinkles and my posture is less straight than I would prefer. My movements are far from silky smooth and my attitudes are sometimes a tad uncaring and abrasive to those around me.

I'm pretty sure that if the great majority of women witnessed my naked body, locally or internationally, they would ask me to please put some clothes on ASAP.

All of that said, I would like to self identify immediately as a very handsome, intelligent and graceful young man, physically beautiful and unblemished, with an engaging manner that is the fantasy dream of women.

When I make known my new self identification, is everyone now obligated to treat me in the way that my new self identification demands?

Just wondering... At what point will the stupid insanity of the insane Left be called out for what it is?

That depends... Are you white?
 
Border crossings under obama were at a fifty year low. And if you're claiming having over ten percent of america living in poverty as something good and the average income as forty K, in my opinion that's not much to be proud about. Forty k to a wealthy person is like a dime to me and you. Hey buddy, can ya' spare a dime?

Rejecting the good hoping that you will somehow wander to the perfect rejects the idea that growth is possible.

The best we've ever done is STILL the best we've ever done. Whether or not you FEEL like it should be better is a different consideration. We can all improve if we put in the work to do it.

In my own little world, what another person has or does not have has never had an impact on the actual value of whatever it is that I might have or not have.

Why does the idea that someone else has more of anything grip your disposition so securely?

You don't envy others because they are strong. You envy others because you are weak.
 
You can't read?

I read pretty well.

You, apparently, do not.

Again, why do you make an assertion and then link to an article that destroys that assertion?
 
Rejecting the good hoping that you will somehow wander to the perfect rejects the idea that growth is possible.

The best we've ever done is STILL the best we've ever done. Whether or not you FEEL like it should be better is a different consideration. We can all improve if we put in the work to do it.

In my own little world, what another person has or does not have has never had an impact on the actual value of whatever it is that I might have or not have.

Why does the idea that someone else has more of anything grip your disposition so securely?

You don't envy others because they are strong. You envy others because you are weak.

Really? I'm retired, I own my home with no mortgage. Half of my time I spend in an oceanfront condo and saturday I'm going to myrtle beach for a cousins reunion and some golf.

Any other opinions you care to offer me?
 
So you know them?

As we drift into a consideration of Existentialism, we wander into areas of self knowledge that have mystified better thinkers than I.

One of the very few basic truths of life I have learned comes from Yogi Berra: "If you don't know where you're going, you're probably not going to get there".

A basic Understanding of the direction you need to take to reach the destination you seek is to know where are right now.

Self deception is the most effective tool to employ to avoid effective progress.

That said, whether you are a man dreaming you're a butterfly or a butterfly dreaming you're a man, you're still dreaming.

Dreams can help you decide which direction to take, but they are not the journey and are not the destination.
 
Here we go



sigh

"Self-identification" is not a denial of reality, as in your... "example." It is that for reasons we do not yet fully understand, but most likely with some biological basis (in at least some if not most cases), an individual experiences a mismatch between their biological characteristics and their own experience of their own gender.

I.e. no, you're not as clever as you think you are. You're only displaying your own bias and refusal to understand.

So, then, the woman in the restroom offended by the penis of the woman next to her is... what?
 
So you DON'T understand why this law came into being, got it.
I'll explain.

Although you initially declined to explain why YOU think this law came about, eventually, just a few lines later, you let your interpretation slip out anyway. Nice try at attempting to make it "non-consequential".
(I believe the term is "inconsequential".)

YOUR INTERPRETATION:



And here's the rub:

Even IF "A man who self identifies as a woman is a man who self identifies as a woman", the fact remains that they wish to be identified by their female name and referred to as a female.
There apparently are people who refuse to do so, and many of them engage in a practice known as "deadnaming".
What is deadnaming? Say for instance I decide to transition from male to female.
My male name, Jeff, is dead to me. There is no more "Jeff" because for me, "Jeff is DEAD", HE no longer exists, or perhaps never really existed in the first place.

If I am not behaving like some troll, and truly and sincerely believe that Jeff no longer exists or never really existed, then the name itself, Jeff, is a DEAD NAME, it is the name of a being that is dead, dead to me, dead to everyone I know, dead to the universe.

If my name is Susan, and you continue to refer to me as "he" and as "Jeff", you're deadnaming me, which in effect means that you refuse to allow me my right to exist. My right to live as I see fit and to exist in society, no matter how YOU do not like it, is one of my CIVIL RIGHTS, and by continuing to deadname me, you're depriving me of my rights, including the right to be addressed in a manner of my choosing.
It is no different than calling me "BOY" or "NIGGER", or "JUDEN".
And in a work environment, it also constitutes a form of harassment, and by the way, it actually goes DEEPER than my sexual orientation or my sexual identity, because it also involves MY NAME.

Thus, in a very real sense, that is a separate issue because that last part can happen even if it had nothing to do with transitioning at all. I could be a woman who used to be Susan Phillips, until I married John Smith, and if you continue to refer to me as Susan Phillips instead of Susan Smith, despite my request that you stop referring to me as Susan Phillips, you are again depriving me of my civil rights.
And you're creating a hostile work environment. You might as well be calling me Susan Bitch, and that also applies to deadnaming, because it is much the same thing, with much the same result.
I have the right to be secure in my person and my personal effects, and I also have the right to be secure in my identity, my sense of self.

If you don't get all that, it is only because you refuse to get it, and that doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter if you like it, or get it, or don't get it, or don't like it.
This law, whether written well or written poorly, gets the job done because if you refuse to allow me the right to exist with an identity of my choosing, you're depriving me of my rights as a human being....MY RIGHT...my right AS A HUMAN BEING.

It does not cost you anything to refer to me as Susan Smith instead of Jeff H, but apparently the law says it will cost you if you insist on referring to me by the name of a dead person.

Perfect!

You will please refer to me in the future as "The World's Most Handsome and Desirable Man".

See? I DO understand!

This link a great illustration of the stupidity you demand. ;)

YouTube
 
Really? I'm retired, I own my home with no mortgage. Half of my time I spend in an oceanfront condo and saturday I'm going to myrtle beach for a cousins reunion and some golf.

Any other opinions you care to offer me?

We seem to be in very similar positions.

I'll ask you again:

Why does the idea that someone else has more of anything grip your disposition so securely?
 
So the gender assigned at birth can be wrong ?


Or chromosomes are not the only guide ?

When a baby is born they don't do a DNA test. The doctor just declares "boy" or "girl" and guess what? He's RIGHT about 99.9% of the time.

You need to go down to the nearest hospital and barge into a delivery room and demand the doctor just say, "it's maybe a boy or girl but I really can't say so I'll just call it an 'it'." :lamo

gender is not sex. You can self-declare your gender. Not your sex.
 
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