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Seattle's Minimum Wage Killed the 'Five-Dollar Footlong'

Oh well, who goes to Subway other than philistines and Bubbas and Jim Bobs in the eastern portion of Washington.
 
radcen said:
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Allot of things are going to become far more expensive in Seattle.

This sort of cost change ripples through an economy, and all sort of decisions are made and actions taken, such as not hiring and not giving bonuses, not buying this or that because its too expensive now, or what used to be disposable income having to be spent on other things.
 
If you use the store locator function on the Subway website it will show that there are ten Subways in Seattle. I'm not sure why one of them deciding to vent about taxes deserves an article, but I guess it's a big deal to some people.
 
This is maybe the fourth thread I've seen today opening with a story from Reason.com...

Anyway, why should people expect a $4.99 foot long sandwich? It's a giveaway for Subway trying to compete with McDonalds. Now they have a reason to say they aren't going to do it anymore. But McDonalds has to raise their minimum wage also. So cost of BicMac on the rise! Maybe people will feel bad? Maybe people will be mad at those horrible employees who got a raise? Maybe people will pack their own lunch? Tune in...this isn't over yet.
 
$14 craft cocktails, $7 beers.....Seattle is losing my business.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
$14 craft cocktails, $7 beers.....Seattle is losing my business.
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I won't pay more than 10 but 15 seems to be the new norm.

I usually don't pay that unless it is for a nice bourbon or scotch.
 
ludin said:
I won't pay more than 10 but 15 seems to be the new norm.

I usually don't pay that unless it is for a nice bourbon or scotch.
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Well see now, since I have mostly quit Seattle I figure the prices too low. I was at The Carlile Room two years ago with my daughter and I kid you not they charged her $18.50 labor inclusive for a side salad that I could have held in one hand.

NO.
 
Didn't subway kill the 5 dollar footlong everywhere and start a 6 dollar one?
 
JMR said:
This is maybe the fourth thread I've seen today opening with a story from Reason.com...

Anyway, why should people expect a $4.99 foot long sandwich? It's a giveaway for Subway trying to compete with McDonalds. Now they have a reason to say they aren't going to do it anymore. But McDonalds has to raise their minimum wage also. So cost of BicMac on the rise! Maybe people will feel bad? Maybe people will be mad at those horrible employees who got a raise? Maybe people will pack their own lunch? Tune in...this isn't over yet.
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What are you talking about. Subway used to be cheap but they raised their prices and got a toaster to compete with Quiznos. Subway was way overpriced, $5 foot longs was a way for them to actually keep regular customers.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
$14 craft cocktails, $7 beers.....Seattle is losing my business.
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Hey - it's your loss, since things are going SO terrible that they're looking at starting a foot ferry from Olympia to Colman Dock in Seattle. It's going SO terrible that we've got the hottest (or close to the hottest) real estate market in the nation. It's going SO terrible that real estate is still going up, up, up even all over Kitsap County (since we've got four ferries going (two to Seattle, one to West Seattle, and one to Edmonds)). Whether you like it or not, Seattle's the economic heart of our entire state. Yes, other parts of the state really contribute, but none do so to the point that Seattle does.

BUT for all those who live outside Puget Sound, Washington, it's terrible here - it's all third-world living conditions, soup lines, children working at sweat shops...so don't move here - it's terrible! Listen to ol' Hawkeye10! Don't let anybody make you think otherwise!
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Hey - it's your loss, since things are going SO terrible that they're looking at starting a foot ferry from Olympia to Colman Dock in Seattle. It's going SO terrible that we've got the hottest (or close to the hottest) real estate market in the nation. It's going SO terrible that real estate is still going up, up, up even all over Kitsap County (since we've got four ferries going (two to Seattle, one to West Seattle, and one to Edmonds)). Whether you like it or not, Seattle's the economic heart of our entire state. Yes, other parts of the state really contribute, but none do so to the point that Seattle does.

BUT for all those who live outside Puget Sound, Washington, it's terrible here - it's all third-world living conditions, soup lines, children working at sweat shops...so don't move here - it's terrible! Listen to ol' Hawkeye10! Don't let anybody make you think otherwise!
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I hit a nerve I see.

Do you want to talk about it?
 
Crovax said:
What are you talking about. Subway used to be cheap but they raised their prices and got a toaster to compete with Quiznos. Subway was way overpriced, $5 foot longs was a way for them to actually keep regular customers.
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How cheap could they get? Never been to Quiznos. I think we agree on the point that $5 for foot long was only to keep competitive

And if I ever feel the need for a sandwich I go to a local deli and pay more than $5. So Subway has a limited market, and probably none in any populous area.

My point was it will take a while to see what the actual result of the increase in minimum wage is. The $5 footlong was gone a long time ago.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Hey - it's your loss, since things are going SO terrible that they're looking at starting a foot ferry from Olympia to Colman Dock in Seattle. It's going SO terrible that we've got the hottest (or close to the hottest) real estate market in the nation. It's going SO terrible that real estate is still going up, up, up even all over Kitsap County (since we've got four ferries going (two to Seattle, one to West Seattle, and one to Edmonds)). Whether you like it or not, Seattle's the economic heart of our entire state. Yes, other parts of the state really contribute, but none do so to the point that Seattle does.

BUT for all those who live outside Puget Sound, Washington, it's terrible here - it's all third-world living conditions, soup lines, children working at sweat shops...so don't move here - it's terrible! Listen to ol' Hawkeye10! Don't let anybody make you think otherwise!
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LOL

I had one of my greatest vacations in Seattle. It is beautiful. (No, No, don't believe me...don't even think of moving there!!) Had Starbucks before the rest of the world heard about it, had a salmon thrown at me at Pike's Market, drove through some of the most beautiful places in the country and ate at some incredible restaurants. Yes, you are right, don't move there. (:( missing Seattle)
 
Interestingly enough I tonight had dinner at Marzano's in Tacoma (better than anything Seattle has to offer so far as I have found on Italian) with a 63 year old Seattle lawyer, lived there all his life, his dad was a lawyer working downtown..... this guy knows Seattle inside and out and every other way.....He says that Seattle has lost its soul, in large part because of Amazon, and that Crime is back to how it was in the 70's, which is losing. He is not ready to join me in saying that SEATTLE is about ready for a BIG CRASH, but his faith is running low.

Course he has a thriving practice and a very nice house in Renton (VERY);

I mean the man has never suffered..

BUT....
 
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JMR said:
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I had one of my greatest vacations in Seattle. It is beautiful. (No, No, don't believe me...don't even think of moving there!!) Had Starbucks before the rest of the world heard about it, had a salmon thrown at me at Pike's Market, drove through some of the most beautiful places in the country and ate at some incredible restaurants. Yes, you are right, don't move there. (:( missing Seattle)
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Frankly, the only place in America I know that is more beautiful than Puget Sound is Hawaii...and the only thing Hawaii really has that we don't is warm beaches...and man, do I miss warm beaches.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Interestingly enough I tonight had dinner at Marzano's in Tacoma (better than anything Seattle has to offer so far as I have found on Italian) with a 63 year old Seattle lawyer, lived there all his life, his dad was a lawyer working downtown..... this guy knows Seattle inside and out and every other way.....He says that Seattle has lost its soul, in large part because of Amazon, and that Crime is back to how it was in the 70's, which is losing. He is not ready to join me in saying that Seattle is about ready for a big crash, but his faith is running low.

Course he has a thriving practice and a very nice house in Renton (VERY);

I mean the man has never suffered..

BUT....
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Looking at the bolded part...really? Your friend is apparently one of those who sees what he wants to see...but pays no attention at all to the numbers. Crime is way down, not only in Seattle, but in most (though certainly not all) of the nation.

And when it comes to your suspicion that Seattle is "about ready for a big crash"...you know what? People have been saying that for decades, just like they were saying the same things about California and New York and (insert urban area here). And you know what? Sooner or later, you'll be right! It might take you fifty years to be right...but you'll be right! Thing is, that crash would be - like all economic crashes - quite temporary...and all the rest of the decades were full of growth and progress. This is true not only in America, but all over the world - the greatest economic progress is seen not in the rural areas, but in the urban areas - with few exceptions, it's the cities that are the economic engines of the nations. Those economic engines will stall every now and then...but they're what provides the economic power to move a nation from point A to point B.

Don't get me wrong - I'm in no hurry to go live in downtown Seattle, much less downtown in any truly big city (compared to cities around the world, Seattle's really a moderately-sized city - not big at all). I like the suburbs...but that doesn't stop me from acknowledging the economic value of the big city.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Looking at the bolded part...really? Your friend is apparently one of those who sees what he wants to see...but pays no attention at all to the numbers. Crime is way down, not only in Seattle, but in most (though certainly not all) of the nation.

And when it comes to your suspicion that Seattle is "about ready for a big crash"...you know what? People have been saying that for decades, just like they were saying the same things about California and New York and (insert urban area here). And you know what? Sooner or later, you'll be right! It might take you fifty years to be right...but you'll be right! Thing is, that crash would be - like all economic crashes - quite temporary...and all the rest of the decades were full of growth and progress. This is true not only in America, but all over the world - the greatest economic progress is seen not in the rural areas, but in the urban areas - with few exceptions, it's the cities that are the economic engines of the nations. Those economic engines will stall every now and then...but they're what provides the economic power to move a nation from point A to point B.

Don't get me wrong - I'm in no hurry to go live in downtown Seattle, much less downtown in any truly big city (compared to cities around the world, Seattle's really a moderately-sized city - not big at all). I like the suburbs...but that doesn't stop me from acknowledging the economic value of the big city.
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Seattle is increasingly too expensive to live in, pushing people who work there further away from their jobs, onto transit systems that were never that great to start with and in the case of Sound Transit are actually poorly run but not too many people want to admit it, course maybe they dont know.....and these systems are over loaded so commutes are terrible, and are about to get worse when this tunnel with no access to downtown because no one wanted to pay for it thus even more traffic will choke downtown once the viaduct comes down...BAD PLANNING/PRIORITIZING YET AGAIN BOYS AND GIRLS!

Shall we start here?
 
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How many people has the 5 dollar footlong killed though?
 
radcen said:
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Amazing how some people get all concerned about workers when the minimum wage rises. Probably showed the same compassion towards kids while grumbling about child labor laws.
 
I'd forgotten about the minimum wage there being set to $15/hr...combine that with that sugar tax that they just initiated....what business is going to want to stay there?
 
I wonder when the Seahawks will move away?
 
MrPeanut said:
If you use the store locator function on the Subway website it will show that there are ten Subways in Seattle. I'm not sure why one of them deciding to vent about taxes deserves an article, but I guess it's a big deal to some people.
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"Vent about taxes?"

It was about how boosting the minimum wage was hurting their business, and as a result, how they had to pass that expense on to their customers and remove a loss leader. What they're saying is that they're being pinched. It won't be long before we see some doors closing, if there haven't been already. This kind of thing always has a large negative ripple effect.
 
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