Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid protest[W:354:430]

[year2late]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

I would honestly respect your opinion more if you were a little more honest. Just admit that supporting abortion is damaging for women's rights and if the Democrats/liberals stopped supporting abortion, they would help more people. Instead, they defend a reprehensible act for the sake of politics.

A woman (or man for that matter) had a right to their own heath care decisions. You clearly do not respect that point of view.

 

[Bucky]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

A woman (or man for that matter) had a right to their own heath care decisions. You clearly do not respect that point of view.

Lumping together abortion with healthcare is a reason why healthcare is so bad in this country. Notice in many other liberal countries that have universal health care, abortion is banned.

Food for thought year2late. And these are socialist countries.

 

[year2late]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

Lumping together abortion with healthcare is a reason why healthcare is so bad in this country. Notice in many other liberal countries that have universal health care, abortion is banned.

Food for thought year2late. And these are socialist countries.

Most women in this country who have abortion are part of the working poor - most of which are trying to support a child at home. They also have crappy access to healthcare. If they remain pregnant they may be given access to emergency Medicaid. This emergency Medicaid will allow them to travel far and wait long periods for simple check ups. This will mean they will lose money for rent, food, and utilities. And that is if everything in their pregnancy goes right. It as simple as facing homelessness because you are pregnant. And if you do fall behind in rent and utilities....your credit is ruined...then try to rent again and get a decent job with that hit on your record.

It was thought that I would have an "easy pregnancy". I was the right age, good health, great social support. Before all was said and done, was seriously ill, my kidneys were in danger, and I ended up needing surgery. I was off work nearly 6 months, I became heavily indebt. I had the luxury of a good credit line to help me through.

The bottom line is pregnancy can be medically, socially, and financially very risky business....and it is not up to you or me to make the health care decisions for a person facing an unwanted pregnancy.

And seriously? The very people who want to push women into maintaining pregnancy.....also want to make sure health care is a luxury than a right. The same people who want to make sure that birth control pills and IUDs are "abortofacient" and therefor evil, the same people who think abstinence only teaching is the most effective method of education to prevent pregnancy.

Personally,I am against abortion. But then again, when I got pregnant I had great insurance, good health, reasonable financial security, strong social ties, and a job that was kept open for me three months after my FMLA had expire.

I have not the ability to walk in another pregnant woman's shoes (or body) so it is amazingly inappropriate to make decisions on her behalf.

 

[Peter King]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

year2late. The Nazi party did a lot of great things as well but 1 specific action that was reprehensible.

Planned Parenthood in many ways is similar to the Nazi Party. They may support some many great things but they support something so reprehensible, it is inexcusable. Now, you probably will say that one thing only makes up 1% of their practice, etc.... Yet why won't they give up this despicable action, if it only makes 1% of their practice?

Perhaps because PP values abortion the most of all their services? Its not like they hide or run away from it.

Maybe it values it service because it has to give that service to protect women from right wing politicians and their (mostly) religiously intolerant bunch of extremist anti women's rights supporters, who think it is their right to interfere with a woman's private medical decisions.

If other places were allowed to exist where this service was available (like in hospitals), PP would not have to fight so hard to protect the right of women to have an abortion if they choose to have one.

And PP is like the Nazi party :lamo that is downright ridiculously insane.

 

[FutureIncoming]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

Tell me how many women are getting an abortion? Hint, it affects a very low portion of the population in America - the majority of whom were minorities and low wage earners.

ASSUMING THAT IS TRUE....

So, if PP stops their abortion mill practice, they would get more funding

THAT IS NOT TRUE. Not when things like this and this happen.

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THAT MORE POOR FOLKS WOULD EXIST, to suffer from callous abortion opponents.

and be able to help a larger segment of the population with other medical services.

IRRATIONAL CONCLUSION, since the Facts don't support your worthless blather about abortion opponents in the government wanting to help poor people.

 

[Bucky]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

Most women in this country who have abortion are part of the working poor - most of which are trying to support a child at home. They also have crappy access to healthcare. If they remain pregnant they may be given access to emergency Medicaid. This emergency Medicaid will allow them to travel far and wait long periods for simple check ups. This will mean they will lose money for rent, food, and utilities. And that is if everything in their pregnancy goes right. It as simple as facing homelessness because you are pregnant. And if you do fall behind in rent and utilities....your credit is ruined...then try to rent again and get a decent job with that hit on your record.

It was thought that I would have an "easy pregnancy". I was the right age, good health, great social support. Before all was said and done, was seriously ill, my kidneys were in danger, and I ended up needing surgery. I was off work nearly 6 months, I became heavily indebt. I had the luxury of a good credit line to help me through.

The bottom line is pregnancy can be medically, socially, and financially very risky business....and it is not up to you or me to make the health care decisions for a person facing an unwanted pregnancy.

And seriously? The very people who want to push women into maintaining pregnancy.....also want to make sure health care is a luxury than a right. The same people who want to make sure that birth control pills and IUDs are "abortofacient" and therefor evil, the same people who think abstinence only teaching is the most effective method of education to prevent pregnancy.

Personally,I am against abortion. But then again, when I got pregnant I had great insurance, good health, reasonable financial security, strong social ties, and a job that was kept open for me three months after my FMLA had expire.

I have not the ability to walk in another pregnant woman's shoes (or body) so it is amazingly inappropriate to make decisions on her behalf.

It appears to me you are very ungrateful and I sense a lot of finger pointing.

Were you forced into having sex? Were you raped?

You made a choice to get pregnant and have a child. That is a fact.

Like I posted many times in the health care section of the forum. Health care CANNOT cater to the uninsurable - the poor. It needs to cater to the insurable. Obamacare is a disaster and the fact $500 million goes to PP through taxpayers money every year is a disgrace.

With $500 million, if that money had went into research to find a cure for cancer, we would be much better off as a society. Instead it is going to help to God knows what PP does with that money.

 

[Peter King]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

It appears to me you are very ungrateful and I sense a lot of finger pointing.

Were you forced into having sex? Were you raped?

You made a choice to get pregnant and have a child. That is a fact.

Like I posted many times in the health care section of the forum. Health care CANNOT cater to the uninsurable - the poor. It needs to cater to the insurable. Obamacare is a disaster and the fact $500 million goes to PP through taxpayers money every year is a disgrace.

With $500 million, if that money had went into research to find a cure for cancer, we would be much better off as a society. Instead it is going to help to God knows what PP does with that money.

1. describing the reality of what some women go through when they get pregnant and what she went through when she got pregnant is NOT being ungrateful. And if she finger points than it is to the horrendous health care situation loads of people go through, and good for her.

2. ever heard of peer pressure?

3. Many people do not "choose to get pregnant", they get pregnant. It is not a fact that only those who choose to get pregnant get pregnant.

4. just because the US has a system that screws over the poor and uninsured (usually not by choice but by a fact of life), does not mean that has to be the reality. Other countries have chosen to make sure even the poor can get insured.

5. Over the past 6 years only in the US 30 billion has been invested into cancer research. And the money they get from the government is spent mainly on STD-STI screening and treatment (which if not done by PP would cost the taxpayer and insurers a lot more, preventing and early treatment is much better than not treating and dealing with the serious health consequences later on in life). About a third goes to contraception, making sure people do not get pregnant and do not need abortions (money well spent IMHO).

Spending that extra money on cancer research would not be a wise use of that money because PP does a lot of good health care and pregnancy prevention work with that money.

And it is very easy to find out what PP does with that money, but you choose to remain uninformed.

 

[Peter King]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

They were the leaders in environmentalism, anti smoking, anti tobacco, science, and medicine.

:lamo

They were only in power for 12 years.

And leaders in environmentalism? Well they outdid that with the millions of bombs and bullets they fired off, with the land they destroyed, et. etc. etc.

They were anti-smoking perhaps but they did a lot of it out of nefarious reasons (like protecting the family planning of the Arian master race) or because Hitler did not like smoking. But being against smoking stands in no comparison to the evil that they did. And most of their science, medicine, etc. was done to promote and further their racist and evil agenda, not for the good of mankind but for the good of the master race.

 

[Peter King]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

Instead those doctors eat in 5-star restaurants laughing about cutting body parts. Similar oddly to a Nazi doctor.

More bullcrap, Nazi doctors experimented on people, they did unspeakable things to what they saw as people who they could torture and kill at will because they were inferior to them.

 

[Peter King]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

I would honestly respect your opinion more if you were a little more honest. Just admit that supporting abortion is damaging for women's rights and if the Democrats/liberals stopped supporting abortion, they would help more people. Instead, they defend a reprehensible act for the sake of politics.

Again, nonsense, supporting abortion is supporting women's rights. How difficult is that to understand?

And they defend the right to choose because it is an important issue for the protection of women's rights. Something that the anti-social, anti-women, religiously extremist right are constantly chipping away at.

 

[Peter King]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

Lumping together abortion with healthcare is a reason why healthcare is so bad in this country. Notice in many other liberal countries that have universal health care, abortion is banned.

Food for thought year2late. And these are socialist countries.

Let us see, liberal countries with universal healthcare:

No African countries need apply because some might have universal healthcare but none are liberal countries

In Asia the same problem, no real liberal countries, except to some degree Israel

Israel (very religious not very liberal but still) legal to save a woman's life, to preserve a woman's physical health, to preserve a woman's mental health, in case of rape or incest or when there is fetal impairment.

In Europe there are plenty of countries with universal healthcare but of which it is highly debatable that they are liberal:

Austria, abortion on request is legal

Denmark, abortion on request is legal

Croatia, not really liberal, abortion on request is legal

Czech republic, not really liberal but abortion on request is legal

Finland, abortion is legal for many grounds

France, abortion on request is legal

Germany, abortion on request is legal

Greece, abortion on request is legal

Iceland, legal on many grounds

Ireland, not really liberal due to heavy influence of the Pope/Roman catholic church and thus ILLEGAL

Italy, abortion on request is legal

Luxembourg, abortion on request is legal

Netherlands, abortion on request is legal

Norway, abortion on request is legal

Portugal, abortion on request is legal

Romania, not really liberal, abortion on request is legal

Russia and the Soviet Union, totally not liberal, abortion on request is legal

Serbia, not really liberal, abortion on request is legal

Sweden, abortion on request is legal

Switzerland, abortion on request is legal

UK, legal on several grounds


North America, only 1 liberal country that has Universal healthcare

Canada, abortion on request is legal

South America, not really liberal

Oceania, has 2 liberal countries (largely)

Australia, legal on many grounds

New Zealand, legal to save a woman's life, to preserve a woman's physical health, to preserve a woman's mental health, in case of rape or incest or when there is fetal impairment.


So we can easily conclude that your claim

in many other liberal countries that have universal health care, abortion is banned.

Is nothing more than absolute and total bilge, absurdity, babble, baloney, bunk, drivel, folly, rubbish, balderdash, claptrap, hogwash, hooey, tripe.

Because only one of those liberal universal healthcare countries has banned abortion, Ireland and that is down to the Pope and their slavish following of the Papal doctrines.

 

[Your Star]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

They are in the WNBA, so therefore they are lesbians.

I think that is what he's saying.

If he only knew how many straight girls play sports. It can really bum a girl out.

 

[Peter King]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

If he only knew how many straight girls play sports. It can really bum a girl out.

But that would only be possible for someone with common sense.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

Instead those doctors eat in 5-star restaurants laughing about cutting body parts.

:roll:

Similar oddly to a Nazi doctor.

Godwin's Law.

 

[minnie616]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

Stop changing the subject. Tell me how many women are getting an abortion? Hint, it affects a very low portion of the population in America - the majority of whom were minorities and low wage earners.

So, if PP stops their abortion mill practice, they would get more funding and be able to help a larger segment of the population with other medical services.

Therefore, PP is an extremist organization that cares more about abortions than women's care and rights.

Actually Abortions in the USA have fallen greatly since the mid 1980s when information about a possible link between birth control pills and blood clots/strokes came out.

In the mid 1980s about 33 out of 100 pregnancies ( that's about 1 out of every 3 ) were aborted.

By 2012 the numbers had fallen to about 22 out of every 100 pregnancies.

And by 2014 the CDC reported the numbers were down to about 18 out of every 100 pregnancies.

By the way those numbers include abortions from pregnancies caused by rape or incest along with abortions because of fetal abnormalities and when those abortions that were needed to save the woman's life.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

Lumping together abortion with healthcare is a reason why healthcare is so bad in this country. Notice in many other liberal countries that have universal health care, abortion is banned.

Food for thought year2late. And these are socialist countries.

Which countries would those be? My country has universal health care and abortion is legal at any stage.

 

[TheGoverness]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

I would honestly respect your opinion more if you were a little more honest. Just admit that supporting abortion is damaging for women's rights and if the Democrats/liberals stopped supporting abortion, they would help more people. Instead, they defend a reprehensible act for the sake of politics.

Mr. Rape-Victims-Deserve-It, your "concern" over the rights of women is laughable. Especially when you think we're all too stupid to make our own medical decisions.

 

[TheGoverness]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

Instead those doctors eat in 5-star restaurants laughing about cutting body parts. Similar oddly to a Nazi doctor.

Stupidity + Godwinning = Your Post

 

[TheGoverness]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

Lumping together abortion with healthcare is a reason why healthcare is so bad in this country. Notice in many other liberal countries that have universal health care, abortion is banned.

Food for thought year2late. And these are socialist countries.

I want you to list all of these "liberal countries" with universal healthcare, in which abortion is banned.

Go.

 

[TheGoverness]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

It appears to me you are very ungrateful and I sense a lot of finger pointing.

Like how you point your finger at rape victims and say "you deserve it"?

Were you forced into having sex? Were you raped?

What do you care? Either way, you'd still say it was her fault.

You made a choice to get pregnant and have a child. That is a fact.

Not true at all. Not every women who has sex is looking to get pregnant and have a child.

Like I posted many times in the health care section of the forum. Health care CANNOT cater to the uninsurable - the poor. It needs to cater to the insurable. Obamacare is a disaster and the fact $500 million goes to PP through taxpayers money every year is a disgrace.

Yeah! **** the poor!

 

[Bucky]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

I want you to list all of these "liberal countries" with universal healthcare, in which abortion is banned.

Go.

Oh, my friend?

The U.S is only 1 of 7 countries that legally allow late term abortions. Countries like France, Germany, the UK, Sweden all ban second and third term abortion. Thus, according to the pro-choice brigade, these laws would be defined as restrictive.

Countries that do not have any restriction towards abortion? The U.S, China, North Korea just to name a few.

 

[Bucky]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

Not true at all. Not every women who has sex is looking to get pregnant and have a child.

That has to be the lamest of lame excuses. The majority of pregnancies are unplanned, that doesn't mean women don't know they could get pregnant.

Tell me all these women that don't know that sex could lead to pregnancy? Arguing that women don't know this is so insulting and belittling, it is quite offensive.

 

[TheGoverness]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

Oh, my friend?

I'm not your friend.

The U.S is only 1 of 7 countries that legally allow late term abortions. Countries like France, Germany, the UK, Sweden all ban second and third term abortion. Thus, according to the pro-choice brigade, these laws would be defined as restrictive.

So abortion isn't banned. Thanks for playing.

For further reference, look at the helpful list Peter King provided.

Countries that do not have any restriction towards abortion? The U.S, China, North Korea just to name a few.

China and North Korea are not anything close to "liberal".

 

[year2late]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

It appears to me you are very ungrateful and I sense a lot of finger pointing.

Were you forced into having sex? Were you raped?

You made a choice to get pregnant and have a child. That is a fact.

Like I posted many times in the health care section of the forum. Health care CANNOT cater to the uninsurable - the poor. It needs to cater to the insurable. Obamacare is a disaster and the fact $500 million goes to PP through taxpayers money every year is a disgrace.

With $500 million, if that money had went into research to find a cure for cancer, we would be much better off as a society. Instead it is going to help to God knows what PP does with that money.

No I did not make a choice to get pregnant. I was on birth control pills and had a medication interaction that after the fact was known to interfere with effectiveness of BCP.

I made a choice to remain pregnant.

So in your mind only the non poor people should "insurable"? Thank you for proving my point, again.

If a woman has crappy access to health care...pragmatically speaking...she may consider it a danger to herself to remain pregnant.

 

[Bucky]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

I'm not your friend.



So abortion isn't banned. Thanks for playing.

For further reference, look at the helpful list Peter King provided.




China and North Korea are not anything close to "liberal".

Abortion is banned in the second and third term. Most people on this forum that are pro-choice believe a fetus has 0 rights until birth and not allowing 2nd and 3rd term abortions is a restriction on women's rights.