Schooling BLM And their victim culture.

[OlNate]

Nope. It's a mindset, and it's found in all walks of life. Rich or poor.

Not for nothing, Howie, but the fact that you're saying that that mindset is present in the poor only highlights the fact that it takes more than a mindset to make it.

 

[HowardBThiname]

Not for nothing, Howie, but the fact that you're saying that that mindset is present in the poor only highlights the fact that it takes more than a mindset to make it.

You don't understand what I'm saying, and that's okay, but that doesn't change the fact that people with certain types of mindsets achieve even when the economy is tanking. People with other types of mindsets lose everything even when it's a bullish economy.

 

[lurchadams]

A short clip of sanity in the face of insanity. Simply wonderful. And powerful... because it’s true... and anyone with half a brain knows it.

My sympathies.

 

[lurchadams]

I call that BS.

Obama made this country soft and divided.

Yes, that is the right-wing nut job claim. To the ignorant - Obama was guilty - guilty of PWB (being president while black).

 

[lurchadams]

You know, it's sort of funny though. Conservatives shout "victim mentality" at black people who for centuries have been mostly unable to rise up out of relative poverty due not only to racism, but an economic policy that allows the wealthy and upper middle class to succeed while treating the poor working class as an expense.

More recently, the white working class and rural communities have been rendered largely non-competitive by growing technology and outsourcing, and have found themselves falling into similar economic and social conditions to what the black community has suffered for generations. They go absolutely nuts, becoming the core of the Trump base, blaming immigrants and drugs and the liberal elite for their plight, instead of blaming their own politicians for enacting policies that benefit the wealthy at the expense of the working class and education.

Conservatives may be more willing to do something about it, but so far, they have not demonstrated any aptitude to recognize the real reasons for their situation. In fact, they seem to be passionately doubling-down on the same anti-science, anti-education, and anti-competitive policies that have put them in the position they are in. IMO, that makes them more dangerous, not less so.

Post of the millennium!

By ginning up hatred and fear the modern GOP are experts in manipulating their base into voting against their own interests. A prime example is the recent Senatorial special election in Alabama. Overwhelmingly the hateful men and women of AL voted for a racist pedophile. So sad!

 

[lurchadams]

As she noted... in 20-years these “victim” mentality types on the Democrat Plantation are going to be losers... and just as angry as they are now. The poison they’ve inhaled is going to ensure it.

This perverse mentality may be great for Democrats, as it might lock in a certain percentage of the vote for them, but it does nothing for these people to enjoy and exploit the vast opportunities provided by the country they are fortunate enough to love in. It does ZERO to elevate their lives.

Once again... America is a great land of opportunity. These people she spoke to are not slaves, were never slaves... except for their being enslaved by a moronic ideology that makes these people believe they are victims.

Victim mentality, yes. Like claiming saying "happy holidays" is engaging in a "war on Christianity". That kneeling during the national anthem is demonstrating "hatred of the America and its military". Or that "reverse racism is a problem".

The "victim mentality" is all on your side, my friend.

 

[zimmer]

Victim mentality, yes. Like claiming saying "happy holidays" is engaging in a "war on Christianity". That kneeling during the national anthem is demonstrating "hatred of the America and its military". Or that "reverse racism is a problem".

The "victim mentality" is all on your side, my friend.

I believe you need to go look up the word “victim” in the dictionary.

1. Nobody says saying “Happy Holidays” is a war in Christianity. I googled it... came up with zero results.

I do believe some folks strongly prefer Merry Christmas... but they haven’t made a grief industry out of it, as the Leftist victim culture regularly does.

2. Kneeling during the anthem is showing disrespect to the flag, country, and those who serve. Those kneeling losers are playing victim. Those of us watching the idiocy look on and wonder what type of poison these clowns have inhaled... and then turn the channel.

3. Quotas... are designed to put people into positions, or allow under qualified-individuals into places othey aren’t best qualified for. Like Obama at Harvard. How does a C student get into Harvard? Quotas are not about meritocracy, and it hurts so many of those quotas are supposed to help.... which is typical of Leftist claptrap.

Quotas are the government (Leftists) saying... you’re not good enough to make it on your own. How’d you like to live with that government sanctioned stigma attached?

 

[zimmer]

You can bring as many stats as you like, but, yes, I believe we all create our own futures - and I know you don't get that. That's okay But, some of us understand life from a different perspective.

It is sad commentary when people living in the freest countries on earth (US & CDN) fail to realize they hold they key to their own success.

What type of poison has to be spewed for people to fail to realize the wealth of opportunity... to fail to realize there is a huge world of opportunity to make a positive dent in the universe?* Sadly... the Left has backed themselves into that sick, poisonous corner.

It is as the speaker noted... in 20-Years these victims aren’t going to have progressed (unless they somehow make their way into the Politburo of Race Baiting like Sharpton, Obama, Holder, Wright, Farrakhan and Jackson... the problem is there aren’t that many leadership role$ in the Race Pimp Industry).

PS. I was looking through a few hundred old industry magazines from the 1920’s and 30’s doing research for a book. The advertising was interesting. Of the hundreds, of not thousands of companies advertised, only one existed as a leader today. Others lived for several decades (up to the 70’s and 80’s) and fizzled out, or were bought out...

...the point being... it’s the same with individual fortunes. You can rise and fall... and the best way to rise is to go after it... and you can’t go after “it’ being a victim.

*it’s no wonder immigrants are many times more likely to become millionaires in the US. They see opportunity galore, whereas native born types whine about crap like “privilige”...

 

[zimmer]

Oh, I believe that. I think that's what they call "privilege"...

The bolded is an excuse not to succeed. It is mental poverty. It is attaching concrete boots to your own feet... willingly, and in some cases... even eagerly.

It’s sad, and those who foment such a mentality, who actually teach this poison are truly sick. What type of asshole would want to poison a young mind that way? A total moron.

The speaker was right-on identifying those poisoned individuals of the victim culture. Her message is a positive force that uplifts others... actually frees them from their self imposed shackles.

Hopefully... During the quiet moments... a few of these poisoned individuals will reflect upon the direction they’ve chosen. They’re young enough to change... but... as they get older and if they keep pounding that poison into their brains... they’ll be adding layer upon layer of bondage.

 

[lurchadams]

I believe you need to go look up the word “victim” in the dictionary.

1. Nobody says saying “Happy Holidays” is a war in Christianity. I googled it... came up with zero results.

I do believe some folks strongly prefer Merry Christmas... but they haven’t made a grief industry out of it, as the Leftist victim culture regularly does.

2. Kneeling during the anthem is showing disrespect to the flag, country, and those who serve. Those kneeling losers are playing victim. Those of us watching the idiocy look on and wonder what type of poison these clowns have inhaled... and then turn the channel.

3. Quotas... are designed to put people into positions, or allow under qualified-individuals into places othey aren’t best qualified for. Like Obama at Harvard. How does a C student get into Harvard? Quotas are not about meritocracy, and it hurts so many of those quotas are supposed to help.... which is typical of Leftist claptrap.

Quotas are the government (Leftists) saying... you’re not good enough to make it on your own. How’d you like to live with that government sanctioned stigma attached?

1. I meant war on "Christmas" not, "Christianity" but you knew that and were just being obtuse. The religious right feels that people saying "happy holidays" endangers their desire that the United States be exclusively a Christian nation. Separation of church and state? Please - that's intended only for "the heathens"!

2. Yep, "kneeling losers" just another example of your attempt to dehumanize the black community in order to rationalize your denial that systematic racism exists. Also, more proof that right-wing nuts feel they have the corner on the market of freedom of expression.

3. You used Obama as an example of benefitting from "quotas". Obama, who later became the first black president of the Harvard Law Review and later the first black president of the United States. If you don't agree that this isn't the most stark proof that affirmative action works, you're delusional.

The right constantly tries to shroud their fear and ignorance by claiming it's "reverse racism" when someone like Obama benefits from affirmative action. It's just their way of justifying their being uncomfortable that they and their white buddies might no longer be the masters of the universe.

Lastly I know what "victim" means and I know that you feel you're one of them. You poor guy having to press 1 for English

 

[zimmer]

1. I meant war on "Christmas" not, "Christianity" but you knew that and were just being obtuse.

No... I did not know that. I believe you’re slithering.

2. Yep, "kneeling losers" just another example of your attempt to dehumanize the black community in order to rationalize your denial that systematic racism exists. Also, more proof that right-wing nuts feel they have the corner on the market of freedom of expression.

ROTFLOL... “dehumanize”??? Nice try. These people are acting like victims. They’re not victims.

I never said they couldn’t do what they’re doing, but it’s truly idiotic.

The black community has been lead by a bunch of losers for decades. A bunch of poverty pimps and race baiters. This Politburo of Race and Victimology has only enslaved those who buy into it. It’s not a liberating group... it’s a modified and modernized Plantation... where the slaves look ceaselessly to the state and Politburo.

Unlike Leftists... I fully embrace free speech. Go search my posts during the past decade. You will find a line similar to this... I want idiots and the intelligent to identify themselves. This is only done through freedom of speech/expression.

Racism and sexism will always exist. Police do not send people to prison based on their skin color. It’s not how the legal system works.

During the 2000 SC debate moderated by Larry King, Alan Keyes answered this question about incarceration and “profiling”. The answer hasn’t been bettered. In short... if you don’t like being stopped, and you don’t like getting locked up, stop acting in ways that cause it.

KEYES: I know everybody thinks that this doing some favor to a racial group, but if our police and enforcement people have the experience that a given crime is disproportionately being committed by folks from a given ethnic group, we are now going to pass a law that says you can't notice that?

I -- I...

KING: But they haven't done the crime yet.

KEYES: Excuse me, no, no. All I'm saying is we're going to pass a law and we're going to enforce a law that says that we can't notice the characteristics of individuals who commit crimes and develop profiles to help folks pursue the solving of crimes based on our experience.

Experience by the way is not prejudice. Prejudice is an opinion you form apart from experience, prior to experience. An opinion formed based on experience is not prejudice. It is judgment. And I think our law enforcement officers ought to be able to...

KING: You wouldn't mind being stopped by a car if there was a high prevalence of...

KEYES: You know the person I would blame for that? If there are black folks out there disproportionately committing certain kinds of crime, my parents raised me to know that I represent the race in every thing I do. And I wish that everybody would take that attitude and stop committing crimes and doing things that bring a bad reputation on to people.

KING: But if you were stopped...

KEYES: That's what I resent.

KING: ... if you were stopped you wouldn't be angry?

KEYES: I just told you who I would be angry at.

CNN Transcript - Larry King Live: South Carolina Republican Debate - February 15, 2000

Here Keyes eloquently explained it is the responsibility of Blacks to clean up their acts. He’s not playing the victim. He is sending a message to Blacks... you brought this upon yourselves.That isn’t the message from the Poverty Pimps, Race Baiters or Democrat politicians... but it should be.

Obama tried it once... and Jesse Jackson said he should “have his nuts cut out”. That’s a poisonous leader... like the rest of them, and including Obama.

 

[zimmer]

PART II

3. You used Obama as an example of benefitting from "quotas". Obama, who later became the first black president of the Harvard Law Review and later the first black president of the United States. If you don't agree that this isn't the most stark proof that affirmative action works, you're delusional.

As Geraldine Ferrro stated (paraphrasing)... if he were white, he wouldn’t have made it to the podium for the primaries. What had Obama achieved? What were his successes? What had he managed, which indicated he could be the CEO of the USA? Nada is what... and it showed.

The right constantly tries to rationalize their fear and ignorance by claiming it's "reverse racism" when someone like Obama benefits from affirmative action. It's just their way of justifying their being uncomfortable that they and their white buddies might no longer be the masters of the universe.

What are quotas?

A quota is government telling government or private businesses they must hire people by color or sex, not by qualifications... UNDER FULL FORCE OF THE GOVERNMENT... PUNISHABLE BY THE FULL FORCE OF THE GOVERNMENT.

You see, I believe in meritocracy. I want the best men and women to rise to the greatest heights possible... whether their name is Smith, Chung, or Obama. You see, unlike you... I am not for focusing on race or sex... YOU ARE!

Lastly I know what "victim" means and I know that you feel you're one of them.

ROTFLOL...

No... as your initial post illustrated... you have little idea about what a victim is. But you like the idea of victims, because it is how Leftists can divide people.

Yours is not an uplifting ideology. Mine is one which I tell others... YOU can do it. You can... but it takes effort. Learn from others, and apply yourself. It is an honorable perspective which breeds dignity. When a Mother and Father work hard, it sets a positive example. This is why Booker T. Washington wanted Black men to farm. He saw this as their way up. To create a solid foundation for future generations to build upon.

Your ideology is one which states... YOU cannot do it without government intervention. Government intervention that breeds a victim industry, and divides people.

Think if the Leftists changed their message from breeding victims and government dependence, to breeding optimism, self reliance, individuality? The party as it exists today would die... which would be great for the country.

 

[OlNate]

The bolded is an excuse not to succeed. It is mental poverty. It is attaching concrete boots to your own feet... willingly, and in some cases... even eagerly.

It’s sad, and those who foment such a mentality, who actually teach this poison are truly sick. What type of asshole would want to poison a young mind that way? A total moron.

The speaker was right-on identifying those poisoned individuals of the victim culture. Her message is a positive force that uplifts others... actually frees them from their self imposed shackles.

Hopefully... During the quiet moments... a few of these poisoned individuals will reflect upon the direction they’ve chosen. They’re young enough to change... but... as they get older and if they keep pounding that poison into their brains... they’ll be adding layer upon layer of bondage.

Zim...I'm going to believe that you really want this to be true. I think you're being sincere.

But I also must point that in order to do so, you need to ignore statistical evidence that more is required to get ahead than a good attitude, if you belong to certain demographics. Of course, that's not at all to say that it's impossible for someone from a marginalized demographic to get ahead. It's just that what's required to get there is a lot more involved than for someone who's not. It's these inequalities that should be addressed, and worked on. Not because white people suck, but because all citizens deserve equal results for equal efforts, with the same tools in place to ensure everyone gets a shot, and things in place to prevent anyone from getting an unfair advantage.

Until that can be statistically demonstrated, like the disparities can be statistically demonstrated today, you can't just say it's all about attitude. And if the notion that this kind of initiative focusses on racial demographics, or gender demographics, demand that these initiatives be for all demographics - all people should have the opportunity to be able to work hard, look after their family, and enjoy a quality of life in line with the effort they put in, in equal stride with everyone else who lives in the same place they do. If that's the case, then society needs to bring the people who are left behind up to speed, regardless to their age, sex, race, or whatever. But even if you "took the race out of it", you would still see a disparity in the folks who qualified for such assistance...and it would correlate to those traditionally marginalized demographics. But frame it however you need to...just get it done.

 

[Cameron]

It has been Democrats... throughout history... keeping Blacks down, and this perverse victim mentality is more of the same. It’s sick... and the sickness is Leftist bred.

Democrats may have "kept blacks down" when they were a southern, conservative party, but I don't know how you can imply that conservatives have been the ones fighting for blacks historically with a straight face. Moreover, the USA has adopted GOP economic policy for the past three decades. Even for those extremely brief periods when Democrats held both Congress and the White House, there was no marked change in economic policy. So yes, that is partly the fault of Dems, but it has hardly been the Dems "keeping Blacks down," and I'd like you to articulate even one concrete example to support that ridiculous assertion.

The bottom line is, if GOP policy on bringing blacks out of poverty worked, it would have worked by now. Simply telling people to stop feeling like a victim and start succeeding is not economic policy, it is the subject for a self-help book. You can believe in yourself and be as motivated as you want -- if the Starbucks manager thinks you are a thug because you are black, you are not getting a job. And if your kids' schools aren't competitive, they aren't either. That goes for both the black community and the white community.

Trump voters are fed up with massive illegal immigration, and DC not listening. Trump answered their clarion call.

Ahem, you mean their dogwhistle.

You’re a typical Leftist who has bought the class warfare poison. Sad... but that’s the Left. They’ve descended so low they resort to Commi tactics... because there are enough ignorant suckers who eat their feces. You being one of them.

Yeah, well at least I'm not resorting to referring to people I debate with as "eating feces," although with the stuff coming out of your mouth, it would be easy to do. Not sure how that makes you morally superior in any way.

What’s wrong with one set of laws, equally applied, which would include one tax rate for all?

Completely impractical and unworkable.

What’s wrong with it, is Leftists would lose massive power, and the ability to use Communistic tactics to divide the people.

The only people who lose power under a progressive tax are the wealthy, and they hold disproportionate power as it has. Having wealth doesn't make you a better human being than anybody else.

Anti-competitive policies???? ROTFLOL... yours is the party that kills school vouchers, tries to enact crap like “The Fairness Doctrine”, calls people who challenge Global Warming as Nazis who should be prosecuted, and resort to violence at colleges to stop folks on the right from speaking!!!

Let's not pretend that the left has a monopoly on hatred, as your delusional post more than adequately demonstrates. It's interesting that rather than debate a single point from my post, you are just throwing slurs at the Left and claiming without any analysis that their policies are awful. That may be true, but it doesn't mean that conservative/GOP policy is not hurting its own people. Sorry.

ROTFLOL... Leftists do live a demented fantasy land. If they weren’t so destructive and dangerous... they’d be great entertainment... which they often are.

The feeling is mutual.

 

[jnug]

Laughable, an utterly laughable thread devoid of any real understanding for cultural variables in this country. There is noboby and I do mean nobody that has been more patient, more steadfast than Black America by and large. We look at the extremes that exist within the Black community and make pious indignant pronouncements about a people that we dragged here in chains to own and use as we would an ax or a shovel!

In the meantime, one piece of one segment of White America feels put upon for at most 8 years and not even really that and loses it completely in bombastic self indulgence and outrage and indignation.

Laughable....utterly laughable.

 

[lurchadams]

During the 2000 SC debate moderated by Larry King, Alan Keyes????....

Alan Keyes? Really? You're idolizing a birther and a six time failed political candidate?

This tells me all I need to know about you, my misguided friend.

 

[PeteEU]

I believe you need to go look up the word “victim” in the dictionary.

1. Nobody says saying “Happy Holidays” is a war in Christianity. I googled it... came up with zero results.

I do believe some folks strongly prefer Merry Christmas... but they haven’t made a grief industry out of it, as the Leftist victim culture regularly does.

LOL Fox News, Hannity and whats his name O´Rilley invented the victim card with "war on Christmas".. The right have lived of the victim card ever since the masses started to rise up against their tyranny. They have used effectively to keep power and stay alive by blaming minorities and the left for their own mistakes. That some people still fall for this clear con job is just pathetic, but it comes down to indoctrination.

2. Kneeling during the anthem is showing disrespect to the flag, country, and those who serve. Those kneeling losers are playing victim. Those of us watching the idiocy look on and wonder what type of poison these clowns have inhaled... and then turn the channel.

The only clown is you and your like that believe in this drivel. Kneeling is a protest against people like YOU and the abuses your kind daily put on minorities across the US and not the flag, troops or anything like that. If you are to protest a flag or country... you turn your BACK, not kneel. That is how you protest and it goes back a long time. Hell the fact that you think that it is a protest against the flag and the country only shows how low the far the right will got to avoid taking responsibility for the racism coming out of their base.

3. Quotas... are designed to put people into positions, or allow under qualified-individuals into places othey aren’t best qualified for. Like Obama at Harvard. How does a C student get into Harvard? Quotas are not about meritocracy, and it hurts so many of those quotas are supposed to help.... which is typical of Leftist claptrap.

Quotas are the government (Leftists) saying... you’re not good enough to make it on your own. How’d you like to live with that government sanctioned stigma attached?

Quotas were needed because of right wingers who prevented minorities.. blacks, jews and others, from entering higher education. Not everyone has a rich daddy like Trump and Bush to buy them their degrees. You and your elitist are the reason that quotas had to happen in the first place!

 

[zimmer]

Zim...I'm going to believe that you really want this to be true. I think you're being sincere.

But I also must point that in order to do so, you need to ignore statistical evidence that more is required to get ahead than a good attitude, if you belong to certain demographics. Of course, that's not at all to say that it's impossible for someone from a marginalized demographic to get ahead. It's just that what's required to get there is a lot more involved than for someone who's not. It's these inequalities that should be addressed, and worked on. Not because white people suck, but because all citizens deserve equal results for equal efforts, with the same tools in place to ensure everyone gets a shot, and things in place to prevent anyone from getting an unfair advantage.

The victim mentality, as explained in the video has predictable results. In 20-years, those people will be passed by, and they will be even more embittered. And they will have bred a next generation of poisoned minds.

The only way forward is to make the most of what one has, and to build upon it. Democrats like an underclass, they like failing schools, they like dividing people, just as they don’t mind mass shooting now and again, for it allows them to talk about gun control, and never proffer a solution beyond banning guns. (It’s been 20-years since Columbine... and Democrats have offered nothing serious to halt or reduce these killing fields in “Gun Free Zones”).

Until that can be statistically demonstrated, like the disparities can be statistically demonstrated today, you can't just say it's all about attitude. And if the notion that this kind of initiative focusses on racial demographics, or gender demographics, demand that these initiatives be for all demographics - all people should have the opportunity to be able to work hard, look after their family, and enjoy a quality of life in line with the effort they put in, in equal stride with everyone else who lives in the same place they do. If that's the case, then society needs to bring the people who are left behind up to speed, regardless to their age, sex, race, or whatever. But even if you "took the race out of it", you would still see a disparity in the folks who qualified for such assistance...and it would correlate to those traditionally marginalized demographics. But frame it however you need to...just get it done.

It is about individual attitude, because government will not solve this problem... ever.

It is about individual attitude, because being a victim, and breeding victims will not accomplish anything for those individuals.

If you want to speak about demographics... let’s do it. Now... would you rather be a black individual in Europe or the USA?

Tell me... if the EU countries were US States... where would these countries place in the USA?

Would you believe a Swedish study* found the TOP 5 EU Countries would rank among the bottom 5 US States? Yes they do!!! I know Europe well, having traveled and lived in the continent for more than half my life. The standard of living and opportunities... it’s not even close... The EU is 3rd rate compared to the US.

You would want to be a black in the EU? No you wouldn’t. This is a continent where racist slurs are hurled from Stockholm to Seville at soccer games... hence the ongoing multi-year major effort by UEFA... Say No To Racism.**

Think if that happened in US stadiums? My guess is some guys would get the crap kicked out of them for being assholes of the highest order.

So... it’s time people stopped the poison and excuses... stopped being victims when they aren’t... and forge forward in life with the best the can offer.

These people are only victims... IN THEIR MINDS.

* https://timbro.se/allmant/eu-versus-usa/

**

 

[OlNate]

Democrats like an underclass, they like failing schools, they like dividing people, just as they don’t mind mass shooting now and again, for it allows them to talk about gun control, and never proffer a solution beyond banning guns. (It’s been 20-years since Columbine... and Democrats have offered nothing serious to halt or reduce these killing fields in “Gun Free Zones”).

Sorry, bud, but you lost me with this BS. I'll have a chat with you even if we disagree about things, but when you make ridiculous, ugly, horse**** accusations like this I lose interest instantly.

 

[zimmer]

Alan Keyes? Really? You're idolizing a birther and a six time failed political candidate?

This tells me all I need to know about you, my misguided friend.

You are exemplifying the typical traits of a Leftist. A closed mind.

Offered an eloquent and accurate analysis of the situation, rendering you incapable of a coherent rebuttal, you resort to what you did in the post quoted above.

This is why Leftists do not progress intellectually. It is why they remain enslaved to a perverted and poisonous ideology. They find childish ways to ignore serious questions and answers which upset their odd world view.

As you posts illustrate, clear, accurate thinking is not a hallmark of the Leftist.*

* I used to be one... and believed the poisonous claptrap, until I began traveling the world at a young age, and kept an open mind.

 

[zimmer]

Sorry, bud, but you lost me with this BS. I'll have a chat with you even if we disagree about things, but when you make ridiculous, ugly, horse**** accusations like this I lose interest instantly.

Another Leftist illustrates what happens when challenged, and they have no rebuttal. You’re an intellectually lazy lot... you have to be... because Leftism demands it!!!

If you can’t form a rebuttal, your brains shut down and you run. Lurch did it, and now you too.

Democrats do like an underclass. They like the ability to divide. Just read the posts of Leftists, and your own words.

You call for government intervention.

I call for individual responsibility, and leadership like the speaker illustrated... which decries the negative, limiting victim ideology, and foments individual fortitude.

The more things fail (and they do when government gets involved... like the education system or the Canadian/North Korean Healthcare System), the more Leftists like it because their solution is ALWAYS more government, not less.

As for the school shootings... it seems Democrats do not mind the infrequent mass killing... for it serves their political needs. If not, then why... 20+ years after Columbine, and other shootings... have they not done ANYTHING to protect the children?... beyond trying to repeal the 2nd amendment???

https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...-mass-shootings-politically-advantageous.html

PS. I agree... Leftism is “UGLY”... and facing up to endorsing and fomenting such poison isn;t appetizing. My goal is not to make it appetizing, but to reveal the harsh realities and damage it inflicts upon society everywhere it’s employed.

 

[zimmer]

Sorry, bud, but you lost me with this BS. I'll have a chat with you even if we disagree about things, but when you make ridiculous, ugly, horse**** accusations like this I lose interest instantly.

What about the US vs. EU?

Stunning isn’t it? Top 5 EU countries would place in the bottom 5 US states. Stunning only if you haven’t resided in the EU.

The victim mentality is only going to hurt those who pound it into their heads. They will suffer... of their own doing.

There is a world of opportunity out there. There are no guarantees, but the chances are much better that these people will prosper and have dignity pursuing dreams instead of trying to get a seat at the Race Baiting and Victim Creating Politburo.

And... there is dignity and honor not behaving like a victim, and not passing the poison on to following generations.

I recently read the book by Victor Frankl... about his time as a holocaust survivor. Each of these non-victim-victims should read it.* You should too. One huge part of the message is those with positive attitudes had the best shot of survival... and they could predict who would die... because they gave up hope.

There is no “hope” playing the role of victim.

* Man’s Search for Meaning, Victor Frankl

Free downloadable version:
https://archive.org/details/MansSearchForMeaningViktorE.Frankel

 

[Felis Leo]

You know, it's sort of funny though. Conservatives shout "victim mentality" at black people who for centuries have been mostly unable to rise up out of relative poverty due not only to racism, but an economic policy that allows the wealthy and upper middle class to succeed while treating the poor working class as an expense.

More recently, the white working class and rural communities have been rendered largely non-competitive by growing technology and outsourcing, and have found themselves falling into similar economic and social conditions to what the black community has suffered for generations. They go absolutely nuts, becoming the core of the Trump base, blaming immigrants and drugs and the liberal elite for their plight, instead of blaming their own politicians for enacting policies that benefit the wealthy at the expense of the working class and education.

Conservatives may be more willing to do something about it, but so far, they have not demonstrated any aptitude to recognize the real reasons for their situation. In fact, they seem to be passionately doubling-down on the same anti-science, anti-education, and anti-competitive policies that have put them in the position they are in. IMO, that makes them more dangerous, not less so.

I think you are half correct. I think whenever you inculcate any group of people (black, white, or whoever) that they are victims, that their lives are not in their hands, and that no matter how hard they try, some malevolent force is going to sweep in and take everything they have built from them so there is no point in engaging in self-betterment, industry or entrepreneurship, you are dooming those people. If you teach children from a young age that some wicked force is out to get them and keep them in the dirt (whether it is the White Establishment, the Jews, the Bankers, the Globalists, the Illuminati, the Bilderberg Group, etc.) you are raising a generation who are more likely to remain in a state self-sustaining and self-fulfilling misery, and are more likely to fall under the sway of some loathsome demagogue who promises them paradise if they follow his words and shed blood in his name. This is not unique to black people. It is not unique to white people. It is a universally human problem.

 

[zimmer]

Quotas were needed because of right wingers who prevented minorities.. blacks, jews and others, from entering higher education. Not everyone has a rich daddy like Trump and Bush to buy them their degrees. You and your elitist are the reason that quotas had to happen in the first place!

Republicans are the one party that has stood with the black man and woman every step of the way when it came to voting for their rights. I’ve listed the all the votes over the centuries... in another thread a few years back.

Democrats were the party trying to stop black progress.

Learn your history.

 

[zimmer]

I think you are half correct. I think whenever you inculcate any group of people (black, white, or whoever) that they are victims, that their lives are not in their hands, and that no matter how hard they try, some malevolent force is going to sweep in and take everything they have built from them so there is no point in engaging in self-betterment, industry or entrepreneurship, you are dooming those people. If you teach children from a young age that some wicked force is out to get them and keep them in the dirt, whether it is the white establishment, the Jewish globalists, the illuminati, whomever, you are raising a generation who are more likely to remain in a state self-sustaining self-fulfilling misery. This is not unique to black people. It is not unique to white people. It is a universally human problem.

Life is a challenge.

There is no dignity playing a victim, and passing on such poison isn’t honorable.

What type of fool would want to damage people like that, and especially family... because that is what it is... seriously damaging, and unfortunately... those who inhale this poison will most likely live a miserable life because they chose to live the life of a victim.