School safety Commission won't look at guns, does that make sense to you?

[independentusa]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/start-her...afety-commission-study-guns/story?id=55668023
The commission set upi by the Trump Administration and lead by DeVos won't be looking at how guns effect school safety. Does this make sense to you?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/15/us/school-shootings-sandy-hook-parkland.html
It seems that school shootings are the major cause of deaths in schools and yet DeVos doesn't think that they are worth a look at when trying to make ur schools safer. Does this make sense to you?

And like not allowing the CDC to look into and keep track of shootings in this country, the Federal Government does not keep track of the number of school shootings and the after effects of those like number injured and deaths. Does this make sense to you?

The GOP seems to think that guns are far more imprtant to them than American citizens, especially the young who can't vote or provide them with campaign funds.

 

[Moderate Right]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/start-her...afety-commission-study-guns/story?id=55668023
The commission set upi by the Trump Administration and lead by DeVos won't be looking at how guns effect school safety. Does this make sense to you?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/15/us/school-shootings-sandy-hook-parkland.html
It seems that school shootings are the major cause of deaths in schools and yet DeVos doesn't think that they are worth a look at when trying to make ur schools safer. Does this make sense to you?

And like not allowing the CDC to look into and keep track of shootings in this country, the Federal Government does not keep track of the number of school shootings and the after effects of those like number injured and deaths. Does this make sense to you?

The GOP seems to think that guns are far more imprtant to them than American citizens, especially the young who can't vote or provide them with campaign funds.

Yes. It actually makes perfect sense because guns don't kill people, people use guns to kill people. If you fix the bottom line problem, the people, then the problem will be solved. Now, whether this will fix the people problem is a different question. My complaint would be that instead of addressing the people problem they will instead put scanners and armed personnel in every school and continue to let the wackos run around loose. Gun control doesn't fix that problem either.

 

[Harshaw]

And like not allowing the CDC to look into and keep track of shootings in this country

This is completely untrue.

the Federal Government does not keep track of the number of school shootings and the after effects of those like number injured and deaths.

Or course they do.

 

[independentusa]

This is completely untrue.



Or course they do.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/12/health/gun-violence-research-cdc.html
Yes the do !

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Yes. It actually makes perfect sense because guns don't kill people, people use guns to kill people. If you fix the bottom line problem, the people, then the problem will be solved. Now, whether this will fix the people problem is a different question. My complaint would be that instead of addressing the people problem they will instead put scanners and armed personnel in every school and continue to let the wackos run around loose. Gun control doesn't fix that problem either.

So if we just kill all Americans we'll no longer have any "people" problem right? If people are the only factor, I guess every other modern western country on earth is just intrinsically far saner than us, huh?

By all means, explain to us how we fix this "people" problem. Be very specific about the details of your solution.

 

[Harshaw]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/12/health/gun-violence-research-cdc.html
Yes the do !

This is, quite simply, a lie. There is no prohibition whatsoever against the CDC doing research into gun violence. There is only a prohibition against the CDC advocating for gun control. Nothing more.

Obama ordered, and the CDC conducted, a study into gun violence just a few years ago.

 

[ttwtt78640]

So if we just kill all Americans we'll no longer have any "people" problem right? If people are the only factor, I guess every other modern western country on earth is just intrinsically far saner than us, huh?

By all means, explain to us how we fix this "people" problem. Be very specific about the details of your solution.

The 'school shooting' problem appears to be limited to unauthorized people bringing guns into schools - make preventing that the focus of your security efforts and possible solutions abound. Do we have similar problems with courthouse (airport, stadium or other public buildings) shootings? If not, then why not?

One thing to keep in mind is that there are no federal schools (except the service academies) so these federal efforts should be simply to advise state/local governments as to what security measures have proven to be effective in other public buildings.

 

[Moderate Right]

So if we just kill all Americans we'll no longer have any "people" problem right? If people are the only factor, I guess every other modern western country on earth is just intrinsically far saner than us, huh?

By all means, explain to us how we fix this "people" problem. Be very specific about the details of your solution.

Why can't you debate honestly? You have to make a trash post like this.

 

[veritas1]

They have to come up with better ways to identify prospective shooters and use more pro-active measures. The Parkland shooting was a textbook case of what not to do. They also need to be making a security assessment of every school and doing what's required to improve their security. We have about 100,000 schools and 300 million firearms. The math tells you where you need to concentrate your efforts.

I'm sure many here remember when the cyanide killings happened where somebody tainted some capsules of aspirin and put them back on the shelves. What did we do? Ban capsules? No, we made the packaging tamper proof to the extent possible. The same approach needs to happen with these school shootings.

 

[Wan]

So if we just kill all Americans we'll no longer have any "people" problem right? If people are the only factor, I guess every other modern western country on earth is just intrinsically far saner than us, huh?

By all means, explain to us how we fix this "people" problem. Be very specific about the details of your solution.

Gene manipulation. Right now we don't have the technology (yet!) but I believe if we focus on this field, then it is possible that one day we can breed bad genes (such as genes that predispose a person to violence) out of our gene pool, and then there will be very few violent crimes.

 

[independentusa]

The 'school shooting' problem appears to be limited to unauthorized people bringing guns into schools - make preventing that the focus of your security efforts and possible solutions abound. Do we have similar problems with courthouse (airport, stadium or other public buildings) shootings? If not, then why not?

One thing to keep in mind is that there are no federal schools (except the service academies) so these federal efforts should be simply to advise state/local governments as to what security measures have proven to be effective in other public buildings.

But they aren't going to look at the gun problem, that is the point of the OPP and the story. So how are they going to skirt the "gun problem" without talking about guns. And many of these shooters are authorized to be in the schools. TO me it is crazy to think you can make schools safer without dealing with the problem of guns. Everyone that has post to this op has in essence talked about guns you realize.

 

[hanger4]

This is, quite simply, a lie. There is no prohibition whatsoever against the CDC doing research into gun violence. There is only a prohibition against the CDC advocating for gun control. Nothing more.

Obama ordered, and the CDC conducted, a study into gun violence just a few years ago.

Amazing how the MSM attempts confuse the public concerning this. Note the headlines and then how it's contradicted later in the link;

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnew...vernment-study-gun-violence/story?id=50300379

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/12/health/gun-violence-research-cdc.html

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill....-rethink-cdc-ban-on-gun-violence-research?amp

https://www.google.com/amp/www.lati...nding-20160614-snap-story.html?outputType=amp

And then, of course, the Obama ordered CDC study;

CDC Gun Violence Study's Findings Not What Obama Wanted

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/cdc-gun-violence-study-goes-against-media-narrative/

And this CDC lie will continue to be pushed.

 

[ttwtt78640]

But they aren't going to look at the gun problem, that is the point of the OPP and the story. So how are they going to skirt the "gun problem" without talking about guns. And many of these shooters are authorized to be in the schools. TO me it is crazy to think you can make schools safer without dealing with the problem of guns. Everyone that has post to this op has in essence talked about guns you realize.

The gun is not a problem until it is brought into the school. Tryng to elimiate all guns outside of the school is a foolish.

 

[Chillfolks]

But they aren't going to look at the gun problem, that is the point of the OPP and the story. So how are they going to skirt the "gun problem" without talking about guns. And many of these shooters are authorized to be in the schools. TO me it is crazy to think you can make schools safer without dealing with the problem of guns. Everyone that has post to this op has in essence talked about guns you realize.

I took the statement to mean they are not going to make the primary focus guns. I'm sure the topic will be touched upon. The commission can't control what private citizens keep in their homes. To focus a lot of time and energy on that would be a waste. The commission can control/recommend how schools can prepare, react, or make it harder for someone to sneak a gun into a school. Their time and efforts would be better spent focusing on items within their control.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Why can't you debate honestly? You have to make a trash post like this.

Says the guy who offers up stupid solutions like "fix the people" but can't explain what that means or how we could accomplish it.

 

[Moderate Right]

Says the guy who offers up stupid solutions like "fix the people" but can't explain what that means or how we could accomplish it.

I have said that numerous times in numerous threads. It's just plain stupid to let dangerous people run around loose and then try to keep guns out of their hands. The solution is not to let dangerous people run around loose in the first place.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

I have said that numerous times in numerous threads. It's just plain stupid to let dangerous people run around loose and then try to keep guns out of their hands. The solution is not to let dangerous people run around loose in the first place.

What is your selection criteria for putting someone in prison based on suspicion? Of the past 10 mass shootings, which of the shooters would have been stopped by your criteria? What it sounds like you're advocating is having the government preemptively lock people in cages on the suspicion they might do something. If you remove due process you're ****ting all over the constitution and all it takes is a bureaucrat deciding he doesn't like you for you to be imprisoned. What a terrible idea, pass.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I took the statement to mean they are not going to make the primary focus guns. I'm sure the topic will be touched upon. The commission can't control what private citizens keep in their homes. To focus a lot of time and energy on that would be a waste. The commission can control/recommend how schools can prepare, react, or make it harder for someone to sneak a gun into a school. Their time and efforts would be better spent focusing on items within their control.

Many wish to use school shootings to make gun ownership within their control. Many also hope, at the very least, that the commission will infuse more federal funds into the local school districts' budgets.

 

[ttwtt78640]

What is your selection criteria for putting someone in prison based on suspicion? Of the past 10 mass shootings, which of the shooters would have been stopped by your criteria? What it sounds like you're advocating is having the government preemptively lock people in cages on the suspicion they might do something. If you remove due process you're ****ting all over the constitution and all it takes is a bureaucrat deciding he doesn't like you for you to be imprisoned. What a terrible idea, pass.

You make an excellent point - individual constitutional rights exist unless removed by due process. Nobody should be imprisoned or have their property taken based upon suspicion alone.

That (bolded above) is also what many see as the motivation for banning (classes of?) guns with higher potential for criminal abuse and/or claiming more victims during such violent criminal acts. It is not that a semi-auto gun with a magazine capacity of over 10 (7?) rounds is likely to be abused (in fact, we know that the vast majority are not) but that someone evil or mentally ill might abuse them in such a manner.

 

[Moderate Right]

What is your selection criteria for putting someone in prison based on suspicion? Of the past 10 mass shootings, which of the shooters would have been stopped by your criteria? What it sounds like you're advocating is having the government preemptively lock people in cages on the suspicion they might do something. If you remove due process you're ****ting all over the constitution and all it takes is a bureaucrat deciding he doesn't like you for you to be imprisoned. What a terrible idea, pass.

My criteria is keeping people in jail who shouldn't be let out. If you are a career criminal then you are not worth being free, even if it is just for petty crimes. The Florida shooter was reported to several authorities and they did nothing. Most of the people who do this stuff have severe warning flags all over and have already been arrested and set free, some numerous times. In fact, several people have been arrested for planning school shootings and they were arrested before they did it. This should be the new norm. It is pretty easy to figure out who is a danger to society and they should be confined until they are deemed to no longer be a threat to society, even if it is for life. The trouble is, we have far too many wackos who are free now and the left want to set many more free. Bernie talked about setting many free. We're never going to stop shootings of any kind if we keep on letting dangerous people run around free. In fact, London has strict gun control laws and they have a higher murder rate than New York City. That's because taking guns away doesn't stop the real problem - letting dangerous people run around loose. London proves that yes, gun control can stop gun violence but it does not stop the violence. It goes merrily along using a different method and then you lefties can brag about how there is hardly any gun violence in London due to their strict gun control laws.