Say "Merry Christmas" or else!

[americanwoman]

This place does not exist. Pretty much every retail store in America is chuck-full of Christmas/Holiday decorations. Santa Claus is ****ing everywhere.

But... are those Santas white? :2razz:

 

[TheGoverness]

Leftists are so used to attacking Christmas, they don't even realize it's happening. But it's a little early yet. Full on assault usually happens around Thanksgiving, you know that other holiday leftists attack.

The only thing that I attack on Thanksgiving is the turkey.

 

[pinqy]

It hasn't. But many governments at all levels have chosen to make Christmas disappear and use generic decorations for the 'holiday season' if it is observed at all. Schools do not perform the great majestic Christmas anthems that many of us grew up with in the winter concert, most forego Christmas trees or any kind of recognition of the national holiday, and the ACLU and other opportunistic groups continue to file or threaten lawsuits over beloved historic creches on the courthouse lawn.

Would you be fine then if the government also put up displays to celebrate other religions' holidays? Had all kids sing non-Christian religious songs? If so, you're in the minority.

 

[fmw]

Trump: 'We're saying merry Christmas again' | TheHill





Beautiful Christmas season that people don't talk about? What reality is this guy in, I've been seeing and hearing about Christmas for the past couple weeks now and it's not even Halloween yet!

I do wonder how he plans to roll out to have department stores and whatnot say Merry Christmas. I mean, he can't actually think he's going to make people say Merry Christmas, right? :lol:

I missed where he said "or else." I believe he said "again."

 

[AlbqOwl]

This place does not exist. Pretty much every retail store in America is chuck-full of Christmas/Holiday decorations. Santa Claus is ****ing everywhere.

Doesn't change my opinion about it in the least.

 

[TheGoverness]

But... are those Santas white? :2razz:

Yes. Remember kids, Santa is white. Can't have no black Santa.

 

[AlbqOwl]

So you do support "Happy Holidays"?

Good for you.

I support anybody's right to say "Happy Holidays" absolutely. I also support the right and encouragement to say "Merry Christmas". Do you?

 

[Thorgasm]

Danielle Morantez has nothing to do with the people the Salvation Army help with goods and services. If she was in need of help from the Salvation Army, she would receive it like everybody else, no questions asked. And she should be required to accept the rules and disciplines of the organization she works for just like everybody else. If she doesn't like the rules or the conditions of employment, she should find someplace else to work.

They are anti-gay. That was my point. Let's not pretend otherwise.

 

[TheGoverness]

They are anti-gay. That was my point. Let's not pretend otherwise.

They are, but they try to act like they aren't.

But I see through the lies of the Salvation Army!

 

[LunaRose]

Leftists are so used to attacking Christmas, they don't even realize it's happening. But it's a little early yet. Full on assault usually happens around Thanksgiving, you know that other holiday leftists attack.

The "right" got all riled up because of a few major corporations chose to switch there seasons greetings to "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" because they felt it would appeal to a broader range of people and attract more costumers, which meant more money. (Damn capitalism, Jk:2razz It was a marketing scheme that the "right" would not tolerate... Bill O'Reilly and the "right" took this and ran with it, and still are running with it because it is so appealing to their base. However, the government nor any politician never stated we should ban people saying "Merry Christmas.". In fact Obama decked out the White House with Christmas decorations and they have said Merry Christmas on several occasions. It is the "right' that has created this fictional war and making the attacks.

 

[JasperL]

My workplace set up the tree and Christmas decorations. Not me.

Not sure how that changes my comment. YOU are free to celebrate Christmas as you want. Since when are you entitled to a Christmas tree with cross AT WORK? If you want that on your tree, I'm pretty sure you can do it. You can put 100 crosses on your tree if you want!

 

[Thorgasm]

I support anybody's right to say "Happy Holidays" absolutely. I also support the right and encouragement to say "Merry Christmas". Do you?

Yes I do. I accept that sentiment as them hoping I get lots of gifts on this wondrous commercial holiday!

 

[Chomsky]

Damn, this guy makes crap up and the naive believe it!

Then he stays in power, and the proles think they are "winning"!

What a racket! (and we all suffer)

 

[TheGoverness]

My workplace set up the tree and Christmas decorations. Not me.

That does not stop you from celebrating the holidays how you see fit.

 

[Chomsky]

Trump: 'We're saying merry Christmas again' | TheHill





Beautiful Christmas season that people don't talk about? What reality is this guy in, I've been seeing and hearing about Christmas for the past couple weeks now and it's not even Halloween yet!

I do wonder how he plans to roll out to have department stores and whatnot say Merry Christmas. I mean, he can't actually think he's going to make people say Merry Christmas, right? :lol:

With 80% of 3.5M Americans without power, and 40% of them not having adequate drinking water, as the death toll climbs I'd be making ridiculous crap up too!

 

[LunaRose]

School district changes ?Christmas? to ?winter? holiday: Political correctness or sensible nod to diversity? | Get Schooled
No religious holidays on Maryland district's calendar - CNN

There are Muslims, Hindus, Jewish, atheist, Christians....(you get the point) kids that attend our public schools. This is literally nothing to be get riled up about. Private catholic schools still call it "Christmas Break." You feel so passionately about this send your kid to a private catholic school.

 

[JasperL]

Many, maybe most of us, see those who are unable to discuss a concept without ad hominem or personal insults as the ridiculous nonsense it is. Do have a pleasant day.

I'm not sure how else to take this statement: "see the President's proclamation re Christmas as hopefully a reversal of all that kind of stupidity and a reversal of the restrictions on our liberties to engage in customs and traditions all Americans enjoyed until political correctness became a bludgeon to restrict thought, speech, and liberty to be who and what we are."

That just has never happened, especially with regard to Christians. There is NO restriction to be who and what YOU are. The War on Christmas nonsense is entirely a complaint that OTHER people or organizations no longer properly celebrate and affirm who you are, your religion, your holiday.

 

[Mr Person]

Not true. Merry Christmas morphed into Season’s Greetings and Happy Holidays a number of years ago. Never stopped many of us, but some bowed to the PC crowd. In our office, one of the Realtors was Jewish. She demanded the cross come off the top of the Christmas Tree, called it a Holiday Tree, and requested Merry Christmas be taken down. Seems she was insulted by it. I believe the expression is, “Gag me with a spoon.”

People who always complain about being smeared probably shouldn't do any smearing themselves, even if they claim to have one single anecdotal experience to share.




I never caught any flak for saying "Merry Christmas" to people in Boston. I would expect that if the stupid lie about so-called "leftists" or "PC crowd" waging a war on Christmas wasn't a stupid lie, someone might have said something to me. But they didn't.

In fact, I've never overheard anyone catching flask for saying "Merry Christmas".





This is another "nothingburger", a fake news story the right tells itself every year in order to justify demonizing the left while itself playing the victim, the false martyr.

 

[trouble13]

Of all charities, I think the Salvation Army is right up at the top of being the most ethical and also using the charitable contributions they receive to do the most good. When I was running a social agency, they were my go to group when I really needed to find help for somebody who had fallen through the cracks. And they didn't care whether that person was black, white, polka dot, Christian, Atheist, or a worshiper of flying spaghetti monsters. When I put my $1 or $5 or whatever into that kettle, I am reasonably certain it will be used to actually help somebody who needs help. With a whole bunch of more 'secular' charities, I have no such confidence.

My charity of choice is the red Cross but I'm not saying that the SA is not a good charity. I don't like when they but a guy in people's faces ringing an obnoxious bell playing on people's guilt to give them charity. I give of my own free will I don't need to be coerced into it. You know those people are not volunteers, they are paid to stand their and ring their bell. It's a seasonal job.

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[AlbqOwl]

Would you be fine then if the government also put up displays to celebrate other religions' holidays? Had all kids sing non-Christian religious songs? If so, you're in the minority.

All the kids ARE singing non-Christian songs in the public schools these days. What I object to is that Christmas--not Ramadan, not Hannukah, ect.--is an official national holiday in honor of the MAJORITY Christian influence that established and settled this great nation. Because that CHRISTIAN influence was the basis for this great nation, ALL religions are safe and protected here and offered complete liberty to be who and what they are.

To forbid the children from the pure joy of learning and singing the truly great Christmas music, from having the right to truly celebrate CHRISTMAS as the traditional season--religious or secular--that it is, as the national Holiday that is declared, is wrong. To tell children the God they worship is unwelcome in their school is wrong and, in my opinion, has contributed to a great deal of what is wrong in the public schools these days.

Having said that, I have no problem with recognition of Hannukah if there are Jewish children in the school who would enjoy and appreciate that or recognition of Ramadan if there are Muslim children who would enjoy and appreciate that which probably won't happen because Islam generally forbids 'infidels' from participating in their religion. My sister taught music and directed choirs for her entire professional career and was blessed to be able to teach during the time that the great music of the classical or more contemporary masters was not forbidden in the school if it had religious origins, which much of it did.

She chose music that included contemporary and classical music, included some offerings with Spanish/Mexican/Cuban flavor as Hispanics make up a sizable percentage of our state's population, included some soul music from the deep south, included some with Native American flavor. Preparing for the Christmas concert she because aware that she had a number of Jewish kids in the chorus so she hunted up some Jewish music to include in the program. The Jewish kids, who had enthusiastically been singing the Christian stuff were thrilled, and the Christian kids enjoyed learning the Jewish music as much as the Jewish kids were enjoying theirs.

That is how it should be. No preaching or teaching of Christianity or any other religion. But acknowledging that Christian music, Christian customs, Christian holidays, Christian concepts have been a huge part of the national history and heritage and it is not only stupid, but also intellectually dishonest, to refuse to acknowledge that.

 

[Grand Mal]

He can do all of those things, just like his predecessor did.

This phony “War on Christmas” nonsense is ridiculous. There has never, ever been anything preventing anyone from saying “Merry Christmas” to their heart’s content.

In Trump's case I think he's being proactive. The NFL kneeling deflection will have expired before Christmas so Trump will need another non-issue to score cheap points off of.

 

[HenryChinaski]

There's no hate, why are you for only one sided ability to express yourself? They chose to do this, I chose to disagree with their decision and you come in with half baked snark. For shame Kobie.

Actually what really gets my hackles up is schools having "Winter break" instead of Christmas Break, that's just ignorant. For MOST of the kids, that's what it is, for the rest... hey it's tradition and it's not exclusive, YOU GET THE BREAK TOO!. FFS. Tolerance is a word that's been far too abused.

This goes for Jewish kids too?

 

[AlbqOwl]

They are anti-gay. That was my point. Let's not pretend otherwise.

I haven't observed that at all, but if they are, what problem is there so long as they extend courtesy and compassion to their gay clientele as much as anybody else? Martin Luther King was also anti-gay, definitely anti-gay marriage. Does that negate all he was? All that he stood for? All that he said and did?

Liberty requires us to allow people to hold opinions and beliefs that are not politically correct. I am arguing to judge people by what they DO and not by what we think they believe.

 

[AGENT J]

All the kids ARE singing non-Christian songs in the public schools these days. What I object to is that Christmas--not Ramadan, not Hannukah, ect.--is an official national holiday in honor of the MAJORITY Christian influence that established and settled this great nation. Because that CHRISTIAN influence was the basis for this great nation, ALL religions are safe and protected here and offered complete liberty to be who and what they are.

To forbid the children from the pure joy of learning and singing the truly great Christmas music, from having the right to truly celebrate CHRISTMAS as the traditional season--religious or secular--that it is, as the national Holiday that is declared, is wrong. To tell children the God they worship is unwelcome in their school is wrong and, in my opinion, has contributed to a great deal of what is wrong in the public schools these days.

Having said that, I have no problem with recognition of Hannukah if there are Jewish children in the school who would enjoy and appreciate that or recognition of Ramadan if there are Muslim children who would enjoy and appreciate that which probably won't happen because Islam generally forbids 'infidels' from participating in their religion. My sister taught music and directed choirs for her entire professional career and was blessed to be able to teach during the time that the great music of the classical or more contemporary masters was not forbidden in the school if it had religious origins, which much of it did.

She chose music that included contemporary and classical music, included some offerings with Spanish/Mexican/Cuban flavor as Hispanics make up a sizable percentage of our state's population, included some soul music from the deep south, included some with Native American flavor. Preparing for the Christmas concert she because aware that she had a number of Jewish kids in the chorus so she hunted up some Jewish music to include in the program. The Jewish kids, who had enthusiastically been singing the Christian stuff were thrilled, and the Christian kids enjoyed learning the Jewish music as much as the Jewish kids were enjoying theirs.

That is how it should be. No preaching or teaching of Christianity or any other religion. But acknowledging that Christian music, Christian customs, Christian holidays, Christian concepts have been a huge part of the national history and heritage and it is not only stupid, but also intellectually dishonest, to refuse to acknowledge that.

all kids? please stop with the dramatics and if a school wants to not do a religious song that is perfectly ok, unless of course you want them to force it? But regardless I can only speak for the school districts in my area and they ALL celebrate Christmas and do Christmas song with religion in them. :shrug:

I mean i wouldnt be socked in the least if a school choose to not do ANY religious songs and there is ZERO wrong with that and its nothing to cry about as long as its done evenly.

What songs do you think were popular in school that arent now or "forbidden"? LOL

 

[straykatz]

It does matter, it's traditionally been, for generations. Changing it because it "Might offend" someone is stupid. Tolerance is a two way street.

Sentencing, wording, grammar, languages, etc. have evolved for thousands and thousands of years. Just because something was traditional for x number of generations doesn't mean it will remain traditional going forward into future generations.