Sanders vent

[GreatNews2night]

Sanders is a one man show, the old white-flight millionaire socialist who sure as hell didn't want any black people living in his neighbor or going to his kid's school.

He means what he says - he wants a revolution and this plans assure one. Spending tens of trillions would create hyper inflation, massive job lose and cause any investment money to flee the USA. The only remaining wealth would only be with the wealth you have their wealth still intact in foreign economies - while remaining in the USA.

With the middle class obliterated, desperation going to people no longer to pay rent, mortgages or even buy food - he gets his revolution of all the desperately poor people - with this easily aimed at those who are still wealthy. To bring order, an authoritarian government that controls everything and everyone - merged to the military - must take over. Thus, he has followed the revolutionary history of other transformations by revolution to socialism.

Granted, Sanders loves white people and white cultures - so envisions a white prosperous Norwegian USA - when the USA is nothing like Norway and for American demographics never could be nor is what he advocates actually similar to that of Norway.

It is entirely legitimate for the Democratic Party officials and supporters to do everything legally possible to oppose Bernie Sanders because they oppose his agenda. Sanders is not now or has he ever been a Democrat. The Democratic Party is not the Socialist Workers Party. The Democratic Party leadership urgent justification to use every legal means possible to stop this Socialist Worker's Party and doctrines raid on the liberal Democratic Party - to oppose the Democratic American liberalism being replaced with a Socialist Worker's Party revolution all built around the personae of one person - Socialist Senator Sanders.

Nonsense. So, if his policies put more money in the pockets of the middle class - calculations by very serious people like The Lancet journal of medicine indicate that his plan will result in health care savings of about 13% of what is current while covering everybody with no premiums or co-pays; increased taxes will be offset by decreased middle-class expenses previously going to health care; no longer having to pay college tuition, more affordable housing - it means that the middle class will be obliterated??? Strange conclusion, yours. His policies are FOR the middle class and the lower class. By the way, bringing the lower class some more benefits will also increase business as the market will improve. You can see in countries like China and Brazil that when millions of people are brought out of poverty, they start spending money buying more clothes and more appliances and so forth which increases the economic output.

Massive spending will cause inflation? Maybe. It will also cause economic progress; this is precisely how we came out of economic crises; the spending was called "stimulus." Besides, Bernie saying he will invest in infrastructure is being copied by Trump as we speak; yesterday he announced a plan to invest in infrastructure. It's not like other administrations and candidates won't be spending money. So if spending has downsides, then everybody else will incur the same ones.

Bernie not liking black people - Are you playing the race card? I though you conservatives were in the habit of accusing progressives of playing it. My, my, how times have changed.

If the Democratic Party is so bent on legally stopping Sanders, they had a much easier remedy: they could have denied him the registration. Now that they did accept his registration, they should better play by the rules or pay a political price. If he achieves a clear plurality approaching majority and they still give the nomination to someone else, his supporters will defect and the someone else will lose in a landslide.

 

[GreatNews2night]

George + Ringo don't = Paul

No facts; just silly math.

It could be, but it's 100% inane.

Oh, I agree that it is inane (Sanders supporters would defect and doom the Dem ticket). But you are forgetting the option that does have better optics. Like I said, the losing candidates can, within the rules and legally, direct their pledged delegates to support the candidate of their choice that is still standing. Steyer won't accrue delegates and will drop out later, but if Buttigieg, Bloomberg, Biden and Klobuchar stay longer and accrue delegates, the three who won't make it can gift their delegates to the one still standing, making of that candidate, the one with the most delegates or even a majority.

Say it's Biden, the one left standing. If Bloomberg, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar gift their delegates to him and that total is higher than Bernie's, then, yes, George + Ringo = George.

 

[GreatNews2night]

He will not run 3rd party.

If he doesn't his followers will defect to either Trump or 3rd party or will stay home.

I mean, if he loses fair and square (someone else gets more delegates/popular votes them him) then I think most of his followers will support the winning ticket. But if he gets a strong plurality, say, 45% of the delegates/popular vote, and the nomination is given to someone with 20%, then his followers will defect.

 

[bongsaway]

If Bernie Sanders still leads after Super-Tuesday, I think Democrats are screwed. I think he's way too far left to win over moderate and independent voters.

Why Dem moderates such as Buttigieg, Klobuchar, etc. give Bernie a pass on the debate stage is beyond me. They have to more forcefully separate from Bernie and explain why.

Look, the US Senate is in all likelihood going to remain majority GOP 2020-2024. How would Bernie Sanders get any of his legislation through?

Medicare for all? Tax reforms on corporations and the wealthy? New Green Deal? Collage for all? Student loan forgiveness?

C'mon. None of that is going to get past Moscow Mitch. An emasculated/hamstrung Sanders as president sets the Dems up for an electoral fall in 2024.

I want Trump gone as badly as anyone. Trump is so damned bad this election should be EASY! But the Dems are screwing this up IMO.

And a black man won't get elected president...or trump. Don't count bernie out before america votes. No matter if a dem wins mcconnell will be there to block him or her. Bernie has the same chance of getting dem bills passed as any other dem.

 

[GreatNews2night]

Sanders lost when he said that everybody making $29K or more a year would be taxed for their Medicare For All. Since his $15 minimum wage puts every full time worker at $31K, it would be "Everybody Gets Taxed"

It is indeed risky but if it means that what people pay in taxes is less than what they used to pay for health care and if he can make people understand that, then it's not a losing proposition. I do agree that it is very risky and the bulk of the uninformed voters might just think "he'll make me pay more" or "I wasn't paying taxes now I'll have to pay them" and not have access to the explanation or not understand it, and vote against him.

 

[GreatNews2night]

And a black man won't get elected president...or trump. Don't count bernie out before america votes. No matter if a dem wins mcconnell will be there to block him or her. Bernie has the same chance of getting dem bills passed as any other dem.

Yes, it is interesting how the argument is always that Bernie can't be elected because the people won't vote for him... while pretty much all opinion polls, bot national and in key states, show him beating Trump. And this, before the Dem Primaries even end. In EVERY election, once the bitter primaries end and the in-fighting ends, typically the party rallies behind the nominee and campaign for him. People like Barack Obama at that point will be free to start campaigning for the nominee. So, the current numbers in a match-up Bernie vs. Trump may tilt even more in favor of Bernie, not to forget that he can also select a viable and likable veep who may bring more people to the ticket.

Bernie can also moderate his language for the Fall campaign. Typically in primaries people are more extreme left among the Dems and extreme right among the Republicans but they veer more to the center in the general election campaign.

So, Bernie may not change his projects and plans because he is a man of his word, but he can moderate the way to talk about it. He can say "these are ideals, these are projects, but they will only be implemented slowly and gradually and I'll have to make my case to Congress and build a bipartisan consensus about what is feasible; we'll need Congress to go along with it." This is actually true, and hearing him saying it might reassure the moderates a bit.

So, people are counting him out and assuming a Trump win, prematurely.

Like we say for sports match-ups, "any given Sunday" (in this case, Tuesday, LOL), and "that's why they play the game" (vote).

So until the last vote is cast and counted, I wouldn't count Bernie out.

Will it be difficult to beat Trump? Sure, he's the incumbent and the economy has been decent. Will it be impossible? No.

 

[GDViking]

Sanders is a one man show, the old white-flight millionaire socialist who sure as hell didn't want any black people living in his neighbor or going to his kid's school.

He means what he says - he wants a revolution and this plans assure one. Spending tens of trillions would create hyper inflation, massive job lose and cause any investment money to flee the USA. The only remaining wealth would only be with the wealth you have their wealth still intact in foreign economies - while remaining in the USA.

With the middle class obliterated, desperation going to people no longer to pay rent, mortgages or even buy food - he gets his revolution of all the desperately poor people - with this easily aimed at those who are still wealthy. To bring order, an authoritarian government that controls everything and everyone - merged to the military - must take over. Thus, he has followed the revolutionary history of other transformations by revolution to socialism.

Granted, Sanders loves white people and white cultures - so envisions a white prosperous Norwegian USA - when the USA is nothing like Norway and for American demographics never could be nor is what he advocates actually similar to that of Norway.

It is entirely legitimate for the Democratic Party officials and supporters to do everything legally possible to oppose Bernie Sanders because they oppose his agenda. Sanders is not now or has he ever been a Democrat. The Democratic Party is not the Socialist Workers Party. The Democratic Party leadership urgent justification to use every legal means possible to stop this Socialist Worker's Party and doctrines raid on the liberal Democratic Party - to oppose the Democratic American liberalism being replaced with a Socialist Worker's Party revolution all built around the personae of one person - Socialist Senator Sanders.

And this is the exact kind of Russian propaganda that they will attack Sanders with.

This is why Russia is backing Bernie's nomination...

 

[Thoreau72]

If Bernie Sanders still leads after Super-Tuesday, I think Democrats are screwed. I think he's way too far left to win over moderate and independent voters.

Why Dem moderates such as Buttigieg, Klobuchar, etc. give Bernie a pass on the debate stage is beyond me. They have to more forcefully separate from Bernie and explain why.

Look, the US Senate is in all likelihood going to remain majority GOP 2020-2024. How would Bernie Sanders get any of his legislation through?

Medicare for all? Tax reforms on corporations and the wealthy? New Green Deal? Collage for all? Student loan forgiveness?

C'mon. None of that is going to get past Moscow Mitch. An emasculated/hamstrung Sanders as president sets the Dems up for an electoral fall in 2024.

I want Trump gone as badly as anyone. Trump is so damned bad this election should be EASY! But the Dems are screwing this up IMO.

Is voting in the US duopoly like betting on a horse race, or is it voting for what's best for the country?

 

[GreatNews2night]

And this is the exact kind of Russian propaganda that they will attack Sanders with.

This is why Russia is backing Bernie's nomination...

Obviously Russia is backing Bernie's nomination because ultimately they want to get Trump re-elected and they think Bernie is the easiest to beat.

Again, people assuming so may be surprised. While I acknowledge that beating Trump will be difficult, I think that the other candidates will have an even harder time with Trump than Bernie, for various reasons. Each one has weaknesses; they are different.

Bloomberg - unlikable especially after the fiasco of Wednesday's debate, and his path to the nomination will necessarily go through a brokered convention which is likely to fracture the party and doom his chances anyway.

Buttigieg - No minority support and I doubt fly-over country and Southern states will vote for a gay man.

Biden - very old and demented. Despite a good performance in the Nevada debate, this is just what is clinically seen in dementia: it waxes and wanes so at times the person is more lucid and focused. But in the long run of a long and bruising Fall campaign, his dementia will be painfully apparent. He also has a lot of political baggage.

Warren - well prepared and smart but a very poor campaigner, not very politically savvy, makes unforced errors, and is polling very low anyway, having clearly lost the progressive lane to Sanders.

Klobuchar - one who has made few errors so far but she is consistently polling in single digits like 7 or 8%; can't win with these numbers, very bland and a policy lightweight, it's hard to believe that she would generate the turnout needed to beat Trump.

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So, this leaves us Bernie. With a good veep, preferably a more moderate woman of color (shamefully as it is regarding identity politics), he may become a much bigger threat to Trump than Putin, Trump himself, the GOP, and the right wingers are predicting/expecting.

Bernie at least won't fracture the party. His crowd will stay with him, of course, and the other Dems are likely to reluctantly join him if he wins the nomination, while the other way around is not true. And Bernie is the only one among all 6 major candidates, who can generate turnout and enthusiasm.

So, vulnerable as this candidate may be - by having to fight off the "communist" label - he is still the best bet for the Democrats.

 

[joko104]

Nonsense. So, if his policies put more money in the pockets of the middle class - calculations by very serious people like The Lancet journal of medicine indicate that his plan will result in health care savings of about 13% of what is current while covering everybody with no premiums or co-pays; increased taxes will be offset by decreased middle-class expenses previously going to health care; no longer having to pay college tuition, more affordable housing - it means that the middle class will be obliterated??? Strange conclusion, yours. His policies are FOR the middle class and the lower class. By the way, bringing the lower class some more benefits will also increase business as the market will improve. You can see in countries like China and Brazil that when millions of people are brought out of poverty, they start spending money buying more clothes and more appliances and so forth which increases the economic output.

Massive spending will cause inflation? Maybe. It will also cause economic progress; this is precisely how we came out of economic crises; the spending was called "stimulus." Besides, Bernie saying he will invest in infrastructure is being copied by Trump as we speak; yesterday he announced a plan to invest in infrastructure. It's not like other administrations and candidates won't be spending money. So if spending has downsides, then everybody else will incur the same ones.

Bernie not liking black people - Are you playing the race card? I though you conservatives were in the habit of accusing progressives of playing it. My, my, how times have changed.

If the Democratic Party is so bent on legally stopping Sanders, they had a much easier remedy: they could have denied him the registration. Now that they did accept his registration, they should better play by the rules or pay a political price. If he achieves a clear plurality approaching majority and they still give the nomination to someone else, his supporters will defect and the someone else will lose in a landslide.

Do post so foolishly. Link to the study that claims that the USA can save 13% on healthcare costs by providing free medical coverage to everyone on earth - since that is the Sander's plan. Everyone can come to the USA legally and in this medical tourism Americans will pay for their surgery or other healthcare. Then the person can stay or return to their home country - their choice.

Add $50 to $100 trillion for his 'green" plan, plus free college for everyone in the world who wants to come here, plus pay off everyone's college debts to punish people who do not go to college and/or instead join the military. This all will reduce the value of American money to zero - bringing about the mass slaughter revolution that old white segregationist demigod wants.

 

[GreatNews2night]

Do post so foolishly. Link to the study that claims that the USA can save 13% on healthcare costs by providing free medical coverage to everyone on earth - since that is the Sander's plan. Everyone can come to the USA legally and in this medical tourism Americans will pay for their surgery or other healthcare. Then the person can stay or return to their home country - their choice.

Add $50 to $100 trillion for his 'green" plan, plus free college for everyone in the world who wants to come here, plus pay off everyone's college debts to punish people who do not go to college and/or instead join the military. This all will reduce the value of American money to zero - bringing about the mass slaughter revolution that old white segregationist demigod wants.

Oh, no problem, here is the link, and I will CERTAINLY take the opinion of one of the freaking top 3 peer-reviewed professional medical journals on Earth - the freaking Lancet (I wouldn't expect you to understand the Lancet's prestige and authority; this is not some liberal think tank but one of the most rigorous scientific publications on Earth) over your opinion, especially in such a well-researched study with 82 solid references:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)33019-3/fulltext

As for the medical tourism, sure, I've been posting against that stupidity ever since in a debate all Dem candidates raised their hands to say they support free healthcare for illegal aliens, maybe THE stupidest political blunder I've seen ever since I first started paying attention to politics. But this is 100% irrelevant in terms of real policy because it will NEVER pass Congress even if the Dems by some very unlikely miracle achieved supermajority in both chambers. This is just called political posturing, to attract the Hispanic vote.

Still, yes, I was watching that debate live and commenting here, and as soon as those hands went up, I posted, "are they out of their freaking mind?? Are they just trying their best to lose the election? The vast majority of Americans will be against this! Unbelievable!"

I do think that in part my very posts raised awareness here on Debate Politics, because my arguments against free health care for illegal aliens got repeated by others - I can tell because others used the same numbers I used in my frequent posts against it.

Now, your other claims that his platform will bring down the value of the dollar to zero is one of the biggest hyperboles and slippery slopes I've ever seen, too... and then, you say that *I'm* the one posting foolishly... LOL, tell me another joke, I like to start my Saturday mornings with some healthy laughs.

:lamo

 

[joko104]

Oh, no problem, here is the link, and I will CERTAINLY take the opinion of one of the freaking top 3 peer-reviewed professional medical journals on Earth - the freaking Lancet (I wouldn't expect you to understand the Lancet's prestige and authority; this is not some liberal think tank but one of the most rigorous scientific publications on Earth) over your opinion, especially in such a well-researched study with 82 solid references:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)33019-3/fulltext

As for the medical tourism, sure, I've been posting against that stupidity ever since in a debate all Dem candidates raised their hands to say they support free healthcare for illegal aliens, maybe THE stupidest political blunder I've seen ever since I first started paying attention to politics. But this is 100% irrelevant in terms of real policy because it will NEVER pass Congress even if the Dems by some very unlikely miracle achieved supermajority in both chambers. This is just called political posturing, to attract the Hispanic vote.

Still, yes, I was watching that debate live and commenting here, and as soon as those hands went up, I posted, "are they out of their freaking mind?? Are they just trying their best to lose the election? The vast majority of Americans will be against this! Unbelievable!"

I do think that in part my very posts raised awareness here on Debate Politics, because my arguments against free health care for illegal aliens got repeated by others - I can tell because others used the same numbers I used in my frequent posts against it.

Now, your other claims that his platform will bring down the value of the dollar to zero is one of the biggest hyperboles and slippery slopes I've ever seen, too... and then, you say that *I'm* the one posting foolishly... LOL, tell me another joke, I like to start my Saturday mornings with some healthy laughs.

:lamo

Your link is the absurd joke as it is not Sanders plan whatsoever. Not in the slightest. A summary statement with no name attached to it and no basis for the claim is absolutely worthless. The Lancet publishes opinions. It is not edicts from God.

The JOKE is the claim that the USA save money by providing free medical care to everyone on else on earth - which is exactly the plan of both Sanders and Warren. That claim is almost as absurd as claiming people should vote for Sanders by assuring he'll never be able to do what he claims he'll do anyway.

 

[bluesmoke]

If Bernie Sanders still leads after Super-Tuesday, I think Democrats are screwed. I think he's way too far left to win over moderate and independent voters.

Why Dem moderates such as Buttigieg, Klobuchar, etc. give Bernie a pass on the debate stage is beyond me. They have to more forcefully separate from Bernie and explain why.

Look, the US Senate is in all likelihood going to remain majority GOP 2020-2024. How would Bernie Sanders get any of his legislation through?

Medicare for all? Tax reforms on corporations and the wealthy? New Green Deal? Collage for all? Student loan forgiveness?

C'mon. None of that is going to get past Moscow Mitch. An emasculated/hamstrung Sanders as president sets the Dems up for an electoral fall in 2024.

I want Trump gone as badly as anyone. Trump is so damned bad this election should be EASY! But the Dems are screwing this up IMO.

Having Bernie as the Dem candidate isn't what would screw things up for the Dems. The Dems are quite capable of screwing things up with their own private hissy-fit party if Bernie is the Dem candidate. Reps know how to pull together behind even the guy that the entire old-guard party was against and who eviscerated them personally in the press, every one of them. Trump tore them apart. But, they all lined up behind him. Not something the Dems are good at. They ran away from Obama like he had the plague when they should have at least swung for the fences like true competitors, not the cowards they acted like. Even to this day they don't even bother defending Obama's economic record against constant dissing by Trump. It's the people only, their desire to elect Bernie or whomever, in spite of the Dem pols, that will be the driving force to elect a Dem.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

If Bernie Sanders still leads after Super-Tuesday, I think Democrats are screwed. I think he's way too far left to win over moderate and independent voters.

Why Dem moderates such as Buttigieg, Klobuchar, etc. give Bernie a pass on the debate stage is beyond me. They have to more forcefully separate from Bernie and explain why.

Look, the US Senate is in all likelihood going to remain majority GOP 2020-2024. How would Bernie Sanders get any of his legislation through?

Medicare for all? Tax reforms on corporations and the wealthy? New Green Deal? Collage for all? Student loan forgiveness?

C'mon. None of that is going to get past Moscow Mitch. An emasculated/hamstrung Sanders as president sets the Dems up for an electoral fall in 2024.

I want Trump gone as badly as anyone. Trump is so damned bad this election should be EASY! But the Dems are screwing this up IMO.

I agree with you. I don't dislike Sanders at all, but when I saw he was running again I didn't feel good about it. Unless he drops out for some reason, which I doubt he would other than a health emergency (which I don't wish on him at all), then I doubt the Democrats will win, whether he's the nominee or another candidate. I know that some Sander's supporters will refuse to vote for another nominee, they are still bitter about the last election, and if Sanders does run against Trump, I doubt he'll get the votes needed to win from the moderates or those on the fence.

I'm open to things like Medicare for all, but that's just me, and I would vote for Sanders or Warren if they became the nominee, will vote Democratic to avoid a Trump Autocracy. But, Medicare for All with the private option available for those who want it is more reasonable for many voters, and this election is nothing to play with experimenting with extreme left ideas....good way to lose to Trump.

I have nothing against the wealthy in this country and only want them to pay in taxes what is fair and lawful. I'm all for energy alternatives, add solar, wind, electric or hybrid vehicles to those who want them, none of this should be forced and mandatory in one big major sweep. Free or affordable college for the poor is something to consider, but why should those who can afford to pay get it for free, what about addressing why it's so expensive to begin with and work to lower the cost of a college education.

On the debate stage and in the media, Democrats are eating their own, they are wasting their time in front of microphones nitpicking and attacking each other, instead of explaining the the policies they want to put into place and addressing the needs of all the American people.

Even the moderators on the debates are useless with their questions, many seem to be biased against specific candidates and favorable to others. Can't we just stop the nonsense and come away from a debate with facts about where each candidate stands on important issues. Are they going to hound Kloubchar that she couldn't recall the name of the Mexican president? Are they going to take Warren's allegation that Sander's said a woman couldn't be president as fact, not consider that it may have been misinterpreted or exaggerated? Are they going to just dismiss Sander's denial of that 'statement' and favor Warren? This is ridiculous, they will hand Trump another four years to put the country into the toilet if they don't wake up....it's getting late in the game.

 

[Cardinal]

If Bernie Sanders still leads after Super-Tuesday, I think Democrats are screwed. I think he's way too far left to win over moderate and independent voters.

Why Dem moderates such as Buttigieg, Klobuchar, etc. give Bernie a pass on the debate stage is beyond me. They have to more forcefully separate from Bernie and explain why.

Look, the US Senate is in all likelihood going to remain majority GOP 2020-2024. How would Bernie Sanders get any of his legislation through?

Medicare for all? Tax reforms on corporations and the wealthy? New Green Deal? Collage for all? Student loan forgiveness?

C'mon. None of that is going to get past Moscow Mitch. An emasculated/hamstrung Sanders as president sets the Dems up for an electoral fall in 2024.

I want Trump gone as badly as anyone. Trump is so damned bad this election should be EASY! But the Dems are screwing this up IMO.

My singular issue with Sanders is that he’s too damn divisive. He wages war on Democrats with almost equal relish as he goes after Trump. That’s bad.

As for the rest of your post, if he gets the White House but Republicans keep the Senate, then sure, no judges will be appointed and no Democratic legislation passes, but at least he’ll put a stop to the fascist spiral we’re in.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Trump will slaughter him.

 

[ashurbanipal]

If Bernie Sanders still leads after Super-Tuesday, I think Democrats are screwed. I think he's way too far left to win over moderate and independent voters.

Why Dem moderates such as Buttigieg, Klobuchar, etc. give Bernie a pass on the debate stage is beyond me. They have to more forcefully separate from Bernie and explain why.

Look, the US Senate is in all likelihood going to remain majority GOP 2020-2024. How would Bernie Sanders get any of his legislation through?

Medicare for all? Tax reforms on corporations and the wealthy? New Green Deal? Collage for all? Student loan forgiveness?

C'mon. None of that is going to get past Moscow Mitch. An emasculated/hamstrung Sanders as president sets the Dems up for an electoral fall in 2024.

I want Trump gone as badly as anyone. Trump is so damned bad this election should be EASY! But the Dems are screwing this up IMO.

Do you really think a Republican senate would work with a moderate Democrat? Obama was quite moderate (his policies resembled those of Ronald Reagan much more than those of FDR), and the Senate stonewalled him.

Trump showed the world that Republicans could win by running to the far right--against conventional wisdom that successful national politicians have to run to the center. Perhaps the same is true of the left. We shall see.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

If Bernie Sanders still leads after Super-Tuesday, I think Democrats are screwed. I think he's way too far left to win over moderate and independent voters.
Why Dem moderates such as Buttigieg, Klobuchar, etc. give Bernie a pass on the debate stage is beyond me. They have to more forcefully separate from Bernie and explain why.
Look, the US Senate is in all likelihood going to remain majority GOP 2020-2024. How would Bernie Sanders get any of his legislation through?
Medicare for all? Tax reforms on corporations and the wealthy? New Green Deal? Collage for all? Student loan forgiveness?
C'mon. None of that is going to get past Moscow Mitch. An emasculated/hamstrung Sanders as president sets the Dems up for an electoral fall in 2024.
I want Trump gone as badly as anyone. Trump is so damned bad this election should be EASY! But the Dems are screwing this up IMO.

It seems there is a significant anti-establishment sentiment in the country.
None of the other Dem candidates can tap into that sentiment.

Trump can.
Bernie can.

Trump will excite many Dem voters enough to vote.
I don't think Bernie will cause Dem voters to stay home at all.
I doubt any of the Dem candidates but Bernie will be able to excite Dem voters more than Trump already has.

 

[j brown's body]

If Bernie Sanders still leads after Super-Tuesday, I think Democrats are screwed. I think he's way too far left to win over moderate and independent voters.

Why Dem moderates such as Buttigieg, Klobuchar, etc. give Bernie a pass on the debate stage is beyond me. They have to more forcefully separate from Bernie and explain why.

Look, the US Senate is in all likelihood going to remain majority GOP 2020-2024. How would Bernie Sanders get any of his legislation through?

Medicare for all? Tax reforms on corporations and the wealthy? New Green Deal? Collage for all? Student loan forgiveness?

C'mon. None of that is going to get past Moscow Mitch. An emasculated/hamstrung Sanders as president sets the Dems up for an electoral fall in 2024.

I want Trump gone as badly as anyone. Trump is so damned bad this election should be EASY! But the Dems are screwing this up IMO.

I agree except, with the election of Trump, the meaning of electability goes out the window. An electorate that considers this fundamently immoral and grotesque human being who exhibits no socially redeeming value whatsoever as a legitimate political leader, who knows what isn't acceptable anymore?

I agree with Bernie's ideas, but they will not get passed, even in a Democratic controlled Congress.

 

[GreatNews2night]

Your link is the absurd joke as it is not Sanders plan whatsoever. Not in the slightest. A summary statement with no name attached to it and no basis for the claim is absolutely worthless. The Lancet publishes opinions. It is not edicts from God.

The JOKE is the claim that the USA save money by providing free medical care to everyone on else on earth - which is exactly the plan of both Sanders and Warren. That claim is almost as absurd as claiming people should vote for Sanders by assuring he'll never be able to do what he claims he'll do anyway.

You reveal that you think The Lancet is some sort of magazine that publishes an "opinion." No, buddy, it's a scientific journal, like the New England Journal of Medicine. This is research, not opinion. And the fact that you think there are no names attached to this *scientific paper* reveals that you don't know how to read it, since all authors, their titles, and academic affiliations are provided. To get to the full paper you have to register with The Lancet (it's for free) then download the PDF (there are links for this, in the page that I directed you to); there (in the PDF) you will see that OF COURSE the names are attached to the paper. Gee!

You are judging the paper by its summary page and then you say no bases are provided. OF COURSE bases are provided; not in the summary but in the full paper. Summaries in scientific papers are more like an introduction and some wording about the findings. The full paper has all the steps taken to reach the conclusion, complete with 82 references to other scientific papers and the data that was used to write up this one.

Seems like, in tune with what Trump said of his followers, he loves uneducated people, because you don't seem to even understand what a scientific paper is and how it is presented.

That you tried to "shoot the messenger" thinking that The Lancet (again, one of the top 3 most prestigious medical journals in the world) is some sort of magazine with opinions for liberals, is one of the funniest things I've heard here. Thank you, I asked for another joke and you have efficiently provided one. At least, for providing jokes you are good. :lamo

Again, none of what The Lancet is saying has to do with providing free medical care to illegal aliens. Like I said, that's NOT the plan. That's just political posturing and will never pass, regardless of the composition of Congress. Therefore, The Lancet is not bothering with this absurd idea that won't ever see the light of day. The Lancet is projecting costs and benefits for a single payer system, for AMERICAN citizens, not for illegal aliens.

 

[GreatNews2night]

It seems there is a significant anti-establishment sentiment in the country.
None of the other Dem candidates can tap into that sentiment.

Trump can.
Bernie can.

Trump will excite many Dem voters enough to vote.
I don't think Bernie will cause Dem voters to stay home at all.
I doubt any of the Dem candidates but Bernie will be able to excite Dem voters more than Trump already has.

Very well said. People who make predictions to the contrary forget how unconventional this race is.