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Russia's Sole Aircraft Carrier Catches Fire in Northern Port

Rogue Valley said:
He can't answer. Trump has done bupkus. As a matter of fact, Trumps shakedown of Ukraine harmed that nations national interests.

If nothing else, Trump has been transparent in his support of the Putin regime.
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Wow. You folks sure have the exact wording of your talking points down pat and memorized.

"Trumps shakedown of Ukraine harmed that nations national interests." is straight from the DNC and is pure gibberish. You just repeat stuff from those in authority. Pray tell how Ukraines "national interests"
were harmed. You might want to let Ukraine know while you're at it because they are unaware pf this catastrophe.
 
Paradoxical said:
Wow. You folks sure have the exact wording of your talking points down pat and memorized.

"Trumps shakedown of Ukraine harmed that nations national interests." is straight from the DNC and is pure gibberish. You just repeat stuff from those in authority. Pray tell how Ukraines "national interests"
were harmed. You might want to let Ukraine know while you're at it because they are unaware pf this catastrophe.
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So you are also giving aid and comfort to the enemy like Trump has? When will Trump be giving the Ukraine President an oval office visit instead of Russian spies?
 
Except for its nuclear missiles, Russia is a joke when it comes to being a powerful nation.

I have read that Russian boys are routinely mistreated in the armed forces. In case of war, how many of them would quickly defect?

And the equipment (such as that aircraft carrier) is mostly outdated.

Oh, sure, Russia can push around Ukraine. But -- not counting its nuclear missiles -- Russia could not stand up to NATO (and certainly not to China).
 
iguanaman said:
So you are also giving aid and comfort to the enemy like Trump has? When will Trump be giving the Ukraine President an oval office visit instead of Russian spies?
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I will take this as an answer that you have no clue as to how Ukraines national interests were harmed and you said it because someone on TV or in government told you.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Russia's Sole Aircraft Carrier Catches Fire in Northern Port

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The Admiral Kuznetsov, on fire at its Murmansk dock.





The latest news from Russia is that the fire was started by a welders torch. Three are dead, one is missing, and five remain hospitalized from burns and smoke inhalation.

Russia can build really nice fighter jets, but cannot build a working aircraft carrier to ferry them.

Related: Fire Reported On Docked Admiral Kuznetsov, Russia's Only Aircraft Carrier
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Fledermaus said:
It only takes one missile to do serious damage. They are a threat.
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Paradoxical said:
They are a minimal threat. Their economy and military are a joke compared to us
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Moonglow said:
That is what the US thought about the Japanese until 7 December, 1941.
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who knows what was the first name of this "Aircraft Carrier "?
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Rogue Valley said:
Russia's Sole Aircraft Carrier Catches Fire in Northern Port

ScreenShot2019-12-12at121351PM.png

The Admiral Kuznetsov, on fire at its Murmansk dock.



The latest news from Russia is that the fire was started by a welders torch. Three are dead, one is missing, and five remain hospitalized from burns and smoke inhalation.

Russia can build really nice fighter jets, but cannot build a working aircraft carrier to ferry them.

Related: Fire Reported On Docked Admiral Kuznetsov, Russia's Only Aircraft Carrier
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Fledermaus said:
It only takes one missile to do serious damage. They are a threat.
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Paradoxical said:
They are a minimal threat. Their economy and military are a joke compared to us
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Moonglow said:
That is what the US thought about the Japanese until 7 December, 1941.
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Paradoxical said:
You've seen Putin in Venezuela?
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Russian military specialists arrive in Venezuela to service ...
Business & Financial News, U.S & International Breaking News | Reuters › us-russia-venezuela-specialists

25 sep. 2019 - The Russian government has dispatched troops to Venezuela several times ... warning Putin against sending Maduro military assistance.
Hundreds of Russian Mercenaries Now in Venezuela, US ...
Military and Veteran Benefits, News, Veteran Jobs | Military.com › News › Headlines
 
Litwin said:
Russian military specialists arrive in Venezuela to service ...
Business & Financial News, U.S & International Breaking News | Reuters › us-russia-venezuela-specialists

25 sep. 2019 - The Russian government has dispatched troops to Venezuela several times ... warning Putin against sending Maduro military assistance.
Hundreds of Russian Mercenaries Now in Venezuela, US ...
Military and Veteran Benefits, News, Veteran Jobs | Military.com › News › Headlines
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The link was bad. But, can't Venezuela consult with the Russians on any matter they want to? Do you suggest that America controls Venezuela? There was rancor and uset a few months back when someone claimed Trump was trying to mess in Venezuela's country. You folks appear to want it both ways.
If Russia tries to influence Venezuela, Trump should do something.
Venezuela doesn't want America over there but we should be BUT if he does..he is a war monger.
 
Paradoxical said:
I will take this as an answer that you have no clue as to how Ukraines national interests were harmed and you said it because someone on TV or in government told you.
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The fact that Trump cancelled Pence's visit to Zelensky's inauguration, refused a Whitehouse meeting with him and then put a hold on military aid was all extremely damaging to the new Presidents situation and weakened his standing with Putin and his occupying army. You can just admit you don't care about Ukraine and would hand it all over to Putin in a minute. What a surprise. You want Putin to win everytime like Trump does.
 
Paradoxical said:
The link was bad. But, can't Venezuela consult with the Russians on any matter they want to? Do you suggest that America controls Venezuela? There was rancor and uset a few months back when someone claimed Trump was trying to mess in Venezuela's country. You folks appear to want it both ways.
If Russia tries to influence Venezuela, Trump should do something.
Venezuela doesn't want America over there but we should be BUT if he does..he is a war monger.
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LOL There is no limit to your Putin loving is there?. And no Putin is not free to send his troops into any country he chooses to take over and prop up an illegitimate govt.. Trump has not said one word about it either. He is now selling Venezuela's oil like it is his to cheat the sanctions. He is nothing but a thug and a criminal. That must be what you and Trump like about him.

Exclusive: After U.S. sanctions, Venezuela seeks to collect some oil payments via Rosneft - Reuters
 
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Paradoxical said:
I am told by the Dems that they are a big threat??? Seems their military is in shambles.
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Was the USSR ever a superpower? It's a good question - after every war in the Middle East after 1948, there was typically a pile of Soviet tanks, trucks, BRDMs & etc. left burning in the sand, & sometimes airplanes & missile sites too. The problem with Putin & the former people is that they grew up in the USSR, & they long to be taken seriously. Never mind that the Soviets relied on oil sales to prop up the regime - they haven't been agriculturally self-sufficient for ages now, & yet they still long for power - military & diplomatic.

That longing is what makes them dangerous - they want to be looked up to again by the World, & they're perfectly willing to work themselves up into a frenzy to justify it.
 
iguanaman said:
The fact that Trump cancelled Pence's visit to Zelensky's inauguration, refused a Whitehouse meeting with him and then put a hold on military aid was all extremely damaging to the new Presidents situation and weakened his standing with Putin and his occupying army. You can just admit you don't care about Ukraine and would hand it all over to Putin in a minute. What a surprise. You want Putin to win everytime like Trump does.
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I bet you a dollar to a donut you haven't heard Pence say that they tried to set up a meeting and couldn't because he had other meetings. But, even in knowing that, you would still say he's lying. Why? because you want to always portray this president in a bad light like CNN
 
southwest88 said:
Was the USSR ever a superpower? It's a good question - after every war in the Middle East after 1948, there was typically a pile of Soviet tanks, trucks, BRDMs & etc. left burning in the sand, & sometimes airplanes & missile sites too. The problem with Putin & the former people is that they grew up in the USSR, & they long to be taken seriously. Never mind that the Soviets relied on oil sales to prop up the regime - they haven't been agriculturally self-sufficient for ages now, & yet they still long for power - military & diplomatic.

That longing is what makes them dangerous - they want to be looked up to again by the World, & they're perfectly willing to work themselves up into a frenzy to justify it.
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At present they are no longer a threat. We could do a world of hurt to them. But.......what you don't hear on FAKE News is that Trump has been tougher on Russia than all the other presidents
 
Paradoxical said:
I bet you a dollar to a donut you haven't heard Pence say that they tried to set up a meeting and couldn't because he had other meetings. But, even in knowing that, you would still say he's lying. Why? because you want to always portray this president in a bad light like CNN
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LOL Even that lame excuse is proof that Ukraine and its war with Russia was the last thing on the Administrations mind. The WB stated that Trump made the decision to cancel Pences visit.

Whistleblower said Trump instructed Vice President Pence to cancel plans to travel to Ukraine
 
US public opinion may be leading the charge on this one

Paradoxical said:
At present they are no longer a threat. We could do a world of hurt to them. But.......what you don't hear on FAKE News is that Trump has been tougher on Russia than all the other presidents
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Is that Trump, or is that the Congress - responding to US public & constituent opinion over CIS interventions in Ukraine & Crimea? & suspected CIS cyberwarfare in the US, & in NATO & other Western allies?
 
iguanaman said:
LOL Even that lame excuse is proof that Ukraine and its war with Russia was the last thing on the Administrations mind. The WB stated that Trump made the decision to cancel Pences visit.

Whistleblower said Trump instructed Vice President Pence to cancel plans to travel to Ukraine
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Really now? That wouldn't be the same whistleblower that claimed Trump used the word "DEMAND" instead of REQUEST? Of course it is and this is why Schiff hid him after saying 30 times he was anxious to testify. When the transcript of the call was released, it showed that there were no demands or quid pro quos. Schiff, the WB and the WB attorney who vowed he and CNN would impeach Trump in 2017 didn't expect that Trump would release the transcript of the call
 
Re: US public opinion may be leading the charge on this one

southwest88 said:
Is that Trump, or is that the Congress - responding to US public & constituent opinion over CIS interventions in Ukraine & Crimea? & suspected CIS cyberwarfare in the US, & in NATO & other Western allies?
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The DNC employees need to stop watching porn flicks on their computers at work. They are known sites that will foul up your computer to such an extent that even the FBI throws it hands up and says "Better take it Crowd Strike.We don't have a clue of how to find who hacked you."

By the way, how does the FBI know Russiadidit when they never examined the actual server and only got copies that Clinton wanted them to have? You know, the same way she deleted 30,000 emails with their attorneys help and gave the FBI some crumbs.
 
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