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Russia is not a serious threat to the U.S or western Europe in the year 2019.

Rogue Valley said:
I prefer the wisdom of our combatant commanders to "stable genius" advice.
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What?!??!!!

Private Bone Spurs has assured us that he knows more than all the generals. :lamo
 
Sampson Simpson said:
Why do Russian trolls continue to spew nonsense all over he internet to whip up the idiots and spread divisiveness?
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One has to wonder when an OP this ridiculous and simplistic is made, and a bunch of others quickly come in to support it.
 
 
dex4974 said:
The people running Russia aren't ignorant. They know if they started a war with the EU or the U.S they would get their asses kicked badly. A few years ago Russia's GDP was lower than the GDP of the city of Tokyo. Some of you may recall the news of Russia's one aircraft carrier being damaged and Russia being unable to repair it. Russia is not going to **** with us or our allies because the people in power want to stay in power. And before anybody starts crying about Crimea, let me just say it's easy to conquer people that want to be conquered. The Ukrainian central government wasn't happy, but the people that actually live in Crimea were and still are happy about it. I won't say Putin was completely justified, but honestly it really doesn't bother me.

I think Trump's coziness with Putin will do little more than ease bad blood between our governments. He's doing the same thing with North Korea. The left hisses and writhes at Trump for being cool with Putin and Kim. Apparently they completely lack pragmatism, probably due to their stupidity. Trump will be gone eventually, but his impact on our relationship with unfriendly governments can be long-lasting. You partisan fools that have **** on Trump's efforts with North Korea every step of the way should ask yourselves why you want the president to fail in securing peace with a hostile nation.
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I'm glad everyone does think like that. Russia is like a bear robbed of her whelps. She was once a great super power and wielded great influence over world foreign policy. Russia is now just a shell of her past but she has the resources, the incentives, and the madmen in charge to use those resources to eliminate the US and regain prominence over world governments herself. Thinking it cannot be done is really not wise.
 
dex4974 said:
The people running Russia aren't ignorant. They know if they started a war with the EU or the U.S they would get their asses kicked badly. A few years ago Russia's GDP was lower than the GDP of the city of Tokyo. Some of you may recall the news of Russia's one aircraft carrier being damaged and Russia being unable to repair it. Russia is not going to **** with us or our allies because the people in power want to stay in power. And before anybody starts crying about Crimea, let me just say it's easy to conquer people that want to be conquered. The Ukrainian central government wasn't happy, but the people that actually live in Crimea were and still are happy about it. I won't say Putin was completely justified, but honestly it really doesn't bother me.

I think Trump's coziness with Putin will do little more than ease bad blood between our governments. He's doing the same thing with North Korea. The left hisses and writhes at Trump for being cool with Putin and Kim. Apparently they completely lack pragmatism, probably due to their stupidity. Trump will be gone eventually, but his impact on our relationship with unfriendly governments can be long-lasting. You partisan fools that have **** on Trump's efforts with North Korea every step of the way should ask yourselves why you want the president to fail in securing peace with a hostile nation.
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We are the democrats. Why should we be nice when there is no need. Trump wanting to be friends when we can just push them around at will. Especially with the help of our allies. China is the real threat. Showing weakness by trying to be diplomatic with NK or Russia will lead China into believing we can be pushed around along with our allies. I say we nuke NK and call China's bluff. Will china risk it all over one wayward ally who has been more of a problem for China than an Ally. Trump is an idiot for believing that one day we can live in peace. This world needs someone to run rough shod over the sheep.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Russia is not a serious threat to the U.S or western Europe in the year 2019.

That's strange. It's not what the US military commanders have told Congress.

Top US general calls for more troops and warships to counter growing Russian threat

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Russia trains for large-scale war

A Dark View Of Russia From U.S. NATO Commander

NATO must prepare to counter a rapid Russia invasion in Europe

Majority of Americans Now Consider Russia a Critical Threat
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Do you believe everything you're told? Serving military get brainwashed from day one about evil Russia and what a 'threat' she poses to the very existence of mankind!
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
We are the democrats. Why should we be nice when there is no need. Trump wanting to be friends when we can just push them around at will. Especially with the help of our allies. China is the real threat. Showing weakness by trying to be diplomatic with NK or Russia will lead China into believing we can be pushed around along with our allies. I say we nuke NK and call China's bluff. Will china risk it all over one wayward ally who has been more of a problem for China than an Ally. Trump is an idiot for believing that one day we can live in peace. This world needs someone to run rough shod over the sheep.
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What a monumentally stupid post. Do you honestly believe China would sit idly by while plumes of fallout drift over the country from North Korea? And what about South Korea; do you want to condemn her citizens to a slow death from radiation poisoning as well, or do you think that fallout and its effects can be neatly contained within borders? Start a shooting war with China and you can kiss your privileged, comfortable American life goodbye. Yours is surely a contender for Dumb Post of the Month.
 
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dex4974 said:
The people running Russia aren't ignorant. They know if they started a war with the EU or the U.S they would get their asses kicked badly. A few years ago Russia's GDP was lower than the GDP of the city of Tokyo. Some of you may recall the news of Russia's one aircraft carrier being damaged and Russia being unable to repair it. Russia is not going to **** with us or our allies because the people in power want to stay in power. And before anybody starts crying about Crimea, let me just say it's easy to conquer people that want to be conquered. The Ukrainian central government wasn't happy, but the people that actually live in Crimea were and still are happy about it. I won't say Putin was completely justified, but honestly it really doesn't bother me.

I think Trump's coziness with Putin will do little more than ease bad blood between our governments. He's doing the same thing with North Korea. The left hisses and writhes at Trump for being cool with Putin and Kim. Apparently they completely lack pragmatism, probably due to their stupidity. Trump will be gone eventually, but his impact on our relationship with unfriendly governments can be long-lasting. You partisan fools that have **** on Trump's efforts with North Korea every step of the way should ask yourselves why you want the president to fail in securing peace with a hostile nation.
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Russia is not a serious threat, eh?

Militarily they are not but then again military fighting is now old school and not something that in the future will decide things as these days military fighting between big powers is likely to end up in a nuclear war and no one wants that.

Economically they are not either since their economy does not compare with ours or with any economy of other big countries.

So then, what is the threat from Russia? Well, it is evident that they are probably the best at Cyber Warfare (battle ground of the future) and in influence such as they have in Syria, Cuba, Venezuela and other key terrorist places.

In cyber warfare, they have already been able to affect the biggest nation in the world (U.S.) by helping one candidate over the other get elected. In this respect, they did not need their military or their economic weakness to win. They did it with just a $200 million dollar investment.

A forgery, a couple of groups of hackers, and a drip of well-timed leaks were all it took to throw American politics into chaos. Whether and to what extent the Trump campaign was complicit in the Russian efforts is the subject of active inquiries today. Regardless, Putin pulled off a spectacular geopolitical heist on a shoestring budget—about $200 million, according to former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. This point is lost on many Americans: The subversion of the election was as much a product of improvisation and entropy as it was of long-range vision. What makes Putin effective, what makes him dangerous, is not strategic brilliance but a tactical flexibility and adaptability—a willingness to experiment, to disrupt, and to take big risks.
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In terrorism, they will continue to influence countries that are run by dictators but have little economic capacity to maintain themselves. By controlling these countries, they will increase the terrorist problems in the world without being accused themselves of being terrorists and therefore attacked militarily by others.

Oh yes, they are a big threat to the world.
 
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Abbazorkzog said:
So this thread isn't about Russia at all, it is about how great dear leader god emperor Trump is, and in the same breathe you preemptively accuse anyone of remotely criticizing Trump's abysmal foreign policy of being partisan. Lolwut...
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It is about Russia but it is full of wrong assumptions that he himself is overlooking such as "I think Trump's coziness with Putin will do little more than ease bad blood between our governments", which begs the question "if they are so useless and cannot defend themselves, why would Trump even try to ease the bad blood between our governments?"

From everything I have heard and seen from Trump over the past few years, such as "Haiti and Africa are s***hole countries", it does suggest that he wants nothing to do with countries that are worthless to him. The only countries that Trump has shown an interest in, other than Russia, are China and North Korea and then because China is a real competitor and NK is a real threat to us because Kim is an unhinged dictator.

As such, Russia should not be of interest to Trump because they cannot compete or be of risk militarily to us.

The reality is that what Russia is good at (which is manipulation) is what Trump is scared of as they have him by the balls and are manipulating him to do their bidding.
 
snakestretcher said:
What a monumentally stupid post. Do you honestly believe China would sit idly by while plumes of fallout drift over the country from North Korea? And what about South Korea; do you want to condemn her citizens to a slow death from radiation poisoning as well, or do you think that fallout and its effects can be neatly contained within borders? Start a shooting war with China and you can kiss your privileged, comfortable American life goodbye. Yours is surely a contender for Dumb Post of the Month.
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First off it is not 1950. You ever hear of tactical nukes. We could destroy NK without fallout on China or South Korea. These would be smaller nukes than were dropped on Japan. We don't need to use megaton bombs that take out hundreds of square miles. 2 or 3 precision hits in each major city and say good buy to NK with little or no fallout. Give what is left to South Korea and wash our hands of the whole mess. That idiot Trump wasting time trying to be diplomatic. All us democrats know he should have told NK to disarm or fire them Nukes because were are going to eliminate the problem in 24hrs. Time to put up or shut up. Just like when JFK put the Russians in their place during the Cuban Missile crisis. It is time we showed the world we are willing to use nukes once again.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
First off it is not 1950. You ever hear of tactical nukes. We could destroy NK without fallout on China or South Korea. These would be smaller nukes than were dropped on Japan. We don't need to use megaton bombs that take out hundreds of square miles. 2 or 3 precision hits in each major city and say good buy to NK with little or no fallout. Give what is left to South Korea and wash our hands of the whole mess. That idiot Trump wasting time trying to be diplomatic. All us democrats know he should have told NK to disarm or fire them Nukes because were are going to eliminate the problem in 24hrs. Time to put up or shut up. Just like when JFK put the Russians in their place during the Cuban Missile crisis. It is time we showed the world we are willing to use nukes once again.
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Any suggestion to use nuclear weapons of any kind is insanity, as is your evident disdain for the tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of deaths that would ensue. There's also the very real risk of escalation where everyone, including America, would lose. You want to gamble on that?
 
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snakestretcher said:
Any suggestion to use nuclear weapons of any kind is insanity, as is your evident disdain for the tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of deaths that would ensue. There's also the very real risk of escalation where everyone, including America, would lose. You want to gamble on that?
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I say we need another leader like JFK who doesn't fear repercussions. You tell them it is our way or the highway. Russia ran tail between their legs.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I say we need another leader like JFK who doesn't fear repercussions. You tell them it is our way or the highway. Russia ran tail between their legs.
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The repercussion from nuclear exchange is death, a great deal of death, and America is not immune. The USSR did not run away as you erroneously suggest; Kennedy's advisers told him that if the US went head with the plan to invade Cuba, it was likely that any missiles there would be fired at America.
This was emphatically not a situation of the US telling the USSR where to get off; months of extremely delicate negotiation between the two powers ensued to de-escalate the very real crisis which brought us this close to thermonuclear annihilation.
In the nuclear age America is in no position to make demands of other nuclear powers. America is not the only nation with a big stick.
 
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snakestretcher said:
Do you believe everything you're told? Serving military get brainwashed from day one about evil Russia and what a 'threat' she poses to the very existence of mankind!
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What the he'll are you talking about? Speaking of someone who is brainwashed. Not once have I ever heard anyone in the military say Russia is currently evil. They weren't even close to being considered a threat until recently.
 
roguenuke said:
What the he'll are you talking about? Speaking of someone who is brainwashed. Not once have I ever heard anyone in the military say Russia is currently evil. They weren't even close to being considered a threat until recently.
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Well tell that to the hawks who have been convincing us that the USSR was a clear and present danger for decades, ever since the nuclear race began post WW2. Remember Joe McCarthy? His paranoia managed to convince millions that the USSR was a danger to the world. In the meantime, quietly in the background, diplomatic relations told an entirely different story. Of course we knew nothing about that until de-classified secret documents were released under the 50 year rule in the UK.
There was no threat, but the idiot hawks who clamoured for confrontation did their best to persuade the public otherwise.
The original hawks and doves – Foreign Policy
 
snakestretcher said:
The repercussion from nuclear exchange is death, a great deal of death, and America is not immune. The USSR did not run away as you erroneously suggest; Kennedy's advisers told him that if the US went head with the plan to invade Cuba, it was likely that any missiles there would be fired at America.
This was emphatically not a situation of the US telling the USSR where to get off; months of extremely delicate negotiation between the two powers ensued to de-escalate the very real crisis which brought us this close to thermonuclear annihilation.
In the nuclear age America is in no position to make demands of other nuclear powers. America is not the only nation with a big stick.
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I am sorry but as a democrat I think that Trump trying to negotiate peace or improving relations between our 2 countries is stupid.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Trump is a bad guy and Putin is a bad guy. The only thing that will come out of negotiations is bad things.
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I disagree. England and Northern Ireland suffered decades of murderous terrorism from the IRA; bombing, shooting, kidnapping and torture. We negotiated with the IRA and Sinn Fein, and since the Good Friday Agreement of 1998 Irish Republican terrorist activity has ceased. Negotiation must always be the first option.
 
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snakestretcher said:
I disagree. England and Northern Ireland suffered decades of murderous terrorism from the IRA; bombing, shooting, kidnapping and torture. We negotiated with the IRA and Sinn Fein, and since the Good Friday Agreement of 1998 Irish Republican terrorist activity has ceased. Negotiation must always be the first option.
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Well that may be so but the only good negotiations are from the left. Right only start wars and create problems. Trump needs to just do nothing until the next democrat becomes president and can fix every thing.
 
snakestretcher said:
Well tell that to the hawks who have been convincing us that the USSR was a clear and present danger for decades, ever since the nuclear race began post WW2. Remember Joe McCarthy? His paranoia managed to convince millions that the USSR was a danger to the world. In the meantime, quietly in the background, diplomatic relations told an entirely different story. Of course we knew nothing about that until de-classified secret documents were released under the 50 year rule in the UK.
There was no threat, but the idiot hawks who clamoured for confrontation did their best to persuade the public otherwise.
The original hawks and doves – Foreign Policy
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I have been in the military for 20 years, not 60. Pretty sure we don't have anyone making policy right now who was in when McCarthy was active. No top brass have held onto the idea that Russia is "evil", a legitimate threat that we should be concerned about, sure. That goes for several other countries and entities/groups as well though. Recognizing a country as a serious potential threat to us is not the same thing as seeing that country as "evil".
 
snakestretcher said:
I disagree. England and Northern Ireland suffered decades of murderous terrorism from the IRA; bombing, shooting, kidnapping and torture. We negotiated with the IRA and Sinn Fein, and since the Good Friday Agreement of 1998 Irish Republican terrorist activity has ceased. Negotiation must always be the first option.
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But there is a huge difference between what happened in England and N. Ireland, and what is going on between Russia and US. We don't share a land mass. No one from either side is looking to gain "freedom". We look at each other as a threat, not a dominating entity that one of the two want freedom from.
 
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