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Russia Banned from the 2020 Olympic Games?

TurtleDude

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Russia never learns to play by the rules.

Sad.
 
What's the point of banning the country if the athletes are allowed to compete? Everyone knows where they're from, and they're feted as Russian winners in Russia.
 
TheParser said:
Russia never learns to play by the rules.

Sad.
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That has been true for decades.

It is a different culture and it has been our negative that we just assume other countries have our same "fair play culture".
 
Drawdown said:
I personally disagree with the decision. They should allow athletes who test clean compete under their own national flag.
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How would that be any different to how things are anyway? The key distinction in this case is that it wasn’t individual athletes or private organisations involved in doping but a deliberate state program managed form the very top. Normally the punishment is intended to target the guilty athletes but not the nation. In this case the intention is to target the nation but not the (clean) athletes. There is no perfect solution but the rationale is clear.
 
HonestJoe said:
How would that be any different to how things are anyway? The key distinction in this case is that it wasn’t individual athletes or private organisations involved in doping but a deliberate state program managed form the very top. Normally the punishment is intended to target the guilty athletes but not the nation. In this case the intention is to target the nation but not the (clean) athletes. There is no perfect solution but the rationale is clear.
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A big part of those olympic moments are the raising the flag and playing the national anthem of the winner. What happens if one of these unaffiliated athletes wins? Will they raise nothing and play nothing?
 
AProudLefty said:
At least Htiler was honest.
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Apparantly, they hadn’t discovered doping by 1936.

The Nazis did discover Benzedrine shortly thereafter, and fed it liberally to Wehrmacht troops going into combat.
 
TomFitz said:
Apparantly, they hadn’t discovered doping by 1936.

The Nazis did discover Benzedrine shortly thereafter, and fed it liberally to Wehrmacht troops going into combat.
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this bled over to the FFL soldiers-many being ex-Wehrmacht-defending against the Viet Minh under NVA General Giap at Dien Bien Phu. One of my college friends wrote his dissertation on this-he later taught at Annapolis -and he noted that many of the FFL soldiers ended up dying from being on Benzedrine for weeks during the siege in the spring of 1954.
 
Drawdown said:
A big part of those olympic moments are the raising the flag and playing the national anthem of the winner. What happens if one of these unaffiliated athletes wins? Will they raise nothing and play nothing?
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They use the Olympic flag and presumably some generic Olympic anthem if they win (I'm not sure any unaffiliated athlete has won gold). As I said, the whole point here is to punish the nation rather than the athletes so removing the use of the national flag and anthem is the point.
 
HonestJoe said:
They use the Olympic flag and presumably some generic Olympic anthem if they win (I'm not sure any unaffiliated athlete has won gold). As I said, the whole point here is to punish the nation rather than the athletes so removing the use of the national flag and anthem is the point.
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That is correct. They also made the athletes compete under "Olympic Athletes of Russia" instead of simply calling them Russians and did not allow anyone to wear red, white, and blue with the Russian flag.
 
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