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Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

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Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

The president's lawyer went to Ukraine to discredit impeachment with a parallel narrative, but corruption fighters know his “witnesses” have little or no credibility.

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Trump Consigliere Rudolfo "Rudy Colludy" Giuliani.

12/7/19
KYIV, Ukraine—The witnesses stand, with their right hands raised, as if being sworn in for, well, an impeachment hearing. Only this is not in Congress. The cast of obscure Ukrainians—a group seen at home as odious and discredited—are appearing in a television show with President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudolph Giuliani, in what he casts as an investigation that parallels the process in Congress. It would only be credible in a parallel world. Andrii Telizhenko, a former Ukrainian diplomat, has been helping Giuliani produce the show for OAN, the One America News Network, a conservative channel now favored by Trump. OAN is publicizing the two-part broadcast this weekend, promising “witnesses who destroy [House Intelligence Committee Chairman] Adam Schiff’s baseless impeachment case against President Trump.” “Watch top Ukrainian officials testify under oath the side of the story Schiff doesn’t want you to hear,” proclaims the YouTube promo for the broadcast. But “top officials” they definitely are not. Indeed, Giuliani’s choice of guest stars in his would-be reality show, and his wider cast of sources, caused shock among many in Kyiv’s establishment who know their questionable backgrounds in considerable detail. What Giuliani’s collaborators have in common is their willingness to testify in his parallel proceedings—or possibly the impeachment trial in the Senate, in the improbable event they are called—or contribute in other ways to Trump’s cause. Some of them have been doing so for years in Ukraine.

On the way to Kyiv, Giuliani met with Ukraine’s ex-prosecutor general, Yuriy Lutsenko, in Budapest, but so far as we can tell from the promotional video, Lutsenko does not appear on the panel in the OAN show. “Of all the people Giuliani met with in Kyiv, ex-prosecutor-general Shokin would most probably take the risk and testify at the upcoming hearing in the Senate,” Ukrainian politician Borislav Bereza told The Daily Beast. Shokin was removed from his position in 2016 partly as a result of pressure from the United States government, including Biden, who was the Obama administration’s point man on Ukraine. Extensive testimony in Congress by U.S. diplomats supports the conclusion that Shokin’s dismissal was the result of the prosecutor’s own alleged corruption. It seems that everybody in Giuliani’s Ukrainian camp has his own agenda. Take MPs Oleksandr Dubinsky, a member of the ruling Servant of the People party, and Andrii Derkach, who was educated at the Dzerzhinsky Higher School of the KGB intelligence service in Moscow. In January 2014, shortly before the Euromaidan “Revolution of Dignity” ousted pro-Russian President Victor Yanukovych from Ukraine, Derkach as a member of Yanukovych’s Party of Regions voted for so-called “dictatorship laws” targeting social freedoms. One more character in Giuliani’s TV team made many Ukrainians' jaws drop: former parliamentarian Andrii Artemenko. Ukraine stripped Artemenko of his citizenship in 2017 and officially expelled him from the State Rada for proposing to rent Crimea to Russia. (Moscow seized and annexed the strategic peninsula in 2014 and Ukraine wants it back.)

Even across the world in Kyiv, Trump and his Consigliere only hire the "best people". :lamo
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

Ukraine was the playground of the rich and famous wannabes. The Bidens were by no means the only ones sucking Ukraine dry. There were Clintons and Romneys and Pelosis also getting rich off Ukraine as it went down the drain.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

There were Clintons and Romneys and Pelosis also getting rich off Ukraine as it went down the drain.

I trust that you will provide citations for your claims.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

Rudy is soliciting the help of a guy whose father was a former KGB agent and who himself belonged to a pro-Russia organization. Rudy is trying to get pro-Russian sympathizers to make up some BS story about Hunter Biden and also to blame the 2016 hacking on Ukraine, not Russia.

I wonder how many minds on the right could see through this crap or embrace it with gusto since it would help Trump?
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

I trust that you will provide citations for your claims.

Known facts. I don't have time to spend google is your friend.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

Rudy is soliciting the help of a guy whose father was a former KGB agent and who himself belonged to a pro-Russia organization. Rudy is trying to get pro-Russian sympathizers to make up some BS story about Hunter Biden and also to blame the 2016 hacking on Ukraine, not Russia.

I wonder how many minds on the right could see through this crap or embrace it with gusto since it would help Trump?

Rudy (and many R's in Congress) have gone "full Russia".
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

Known facts. I don't have time to spend google is your friend.

This is at least the second time I've caught you smearing people without providing citations when asked.

Folks here at DP should be aware of your SOP.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

This is at least the second time I've caught you smearing people without providing citations when asked.

Folks here at DP should be aware of your SOP.

Citations lol. Nancy Pelosi's kids and Mitt Romney's kids were invested in Ukraine just like Joe Biden's kid Hunter. It was a total shame what they did to Ukraine.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

Known facts. I don't have time to spend google is your friend.

Like that a rich Ukrainian owns crowdstrike and has the DNC server hidden at their offices there?

That kind of "known fact"?

You know, the "look back" that mulvaney referred to when he said that the aid was withheld over and that we shoud "get over".

A red flag goes up when any conservative uses the word "fact".

Which are only facts in conservative reality.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

Rudy (and many R's in Congress) have gone "full Russia".

Devin Nunes for sure. He's been a part of this cabal since before the election but became even more entangled in this plot during the transition. He was on the Trump transition team and should have never been able to be Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. Sure, he had to recuse himself because he was caught red-handed running to the White House to try to dig up dirt on Susan Rice and give Trump all the info the committee had gathered about the campaigns cooperation with Russia, but he should never have been on that committee at all for those particular proceedings.

This secret pro-Russian faction of the republicans had a lot of help with Fox. Fox enjoyed the rewards of their support with prominent positions in Trump's administration being filled from Fox employees. There had been many valid and credentialed political opinion experts that were paid contributors to Fox that ran out the door once they understood what was happening between Fox and Trump's Congress. People like Wilbur Ross, Lt. Col Ralph Peters, Shepard Smith, and Carl Cameron who had been chief political correspondent for Fox for more than 20 years, they all left on principle.

Carl Cameron said: “The idea of fair and balanced news appealed to me,”“But over the years right-wing hosts drowned out straight journalism with partisan misinformation.”

Anyone with a shred of integrity, anyone with a career they valued, anyone who stood on principles, left Fox. What Fox is left with are the dregs of television broadcast like Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

Ukraine was the playground of the rich and famous wannabes. The Bidens were by no means the only ones sucking Ukraine dry. There were Clintons and Romneys and Pelosis also getting rich off Ukraine as it went down the drain.

And Americans in politics is often the playground of rich and famous wannabes. And yet there are people who do it ethically and legally, and those who don't.
You have no point.

In this case, Trump's "personal attorney", Rudy appears to be doing it unethically, and the people he is directly involved with and getting phony information from are all largely criminals or indicted on federal charges. And now he's under criminal investigation himself.
Trump's previous "personal attorney" is now in federal prison.
Trump's previous pro-Russian/Russian funded campaign manager, was picked out of the blue...and he's now also in federal prison.

No, it's a corrupt administration Trump runs, and as POTUS, its a real tragedy Republicans keep defending him with nonsense.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

Like that a rich Ukrainian owns crowdstrike and has the DNC server hidden at their offices there?

That kind of "known fact"?

You know, the "look back" that mulvaney referred to when he said that the aid was withheld over and that we shoud "get over".

A red flag goes up when any conservative uses the word "fact".

Which are only facts in conservative reality.

The entire Ukraine thing was total US imperialism at its worst. And first up were the Clintons and the Bidens. They benefited most but there was at least one Pelosi and one Romney family member in there too.
 
Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

The president's lawyer went to Ukraine to discredit impeachment with a parallel narrative, but corruption fighters know his “witnesses” have little or no credibility.

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Trump Consigliere Rudolfo "Rudy Colludy" Giuliani.



Even across the world in Kyiv, Trump and his Consigliere only hire the "best people". :lamo

It's all gravy. The best part will be when the FBI arrests Rudy and he rolls on Trump for a lighter sentence. Should be a great popcorn moment.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

And Americans in politics is often the playground of rich and famous wannabes. And yet there are people who do it ethically and legally, and those who don't.
You have no point.

In this case, Trump's "personal attorney", Rudy appears to be doing it unethically, and the people he is directly involved with and getting phony information from are all largely criminals or indicted on federal charges. And now he's under criminal investigation himself.
Trump's previous "personal attorney" is now in federal prison.
Trump's previous pro-Russian/Russian funded campaign manager, was picked out of the blue...and he's now also in federal prison.

No, it's a corrupt administration Trump runs, and as POTUS, its a real tragedy Republicans keep defending him with nonsense.

Rudy is serving as Trump's alternate persona intended to draw the lightning bolts away from his real job as president of keeping America great. Seems to be working so far what you think?
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

Citations lol. Nancy Pelosi's kids and Mitt Romney's kids were invested in Ukraine just like Joe Biden's kid Hunter. It was a total shame what they did to Ukraine.

But you still won't provide citations. Should be easy for a pro like yourself.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

The corrupt and removed Ukraine prosecutors investigated many Westerners living in Ukraine. They saw dollar signs in such individuals.

But such investigations have to be taken in the context that the investigators were corrupt and looking for a bribe/payoff.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

Devin Nunes for sure. He's been a part of this cabal since before the election but became even more entangled in this plot during the transition.

Devin Nunes, John Neely Kennedy, Mark Meadows, Jim Jordan, Ron Johnson, Ted Cruz, and Rand Paul certainly. There are other R's spewing Russian disinfo also.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

Devin Nunes, John Neely Kennedy, Mark Meadows, Jim Jordan, Ron Johnson, Ted Cruz, and Rand Paul certainly. There are other R's spewing Russian disinfo also.

All of those whom you named - and those here who enable and agree with them - are either Russian agents or Russian assets or just plain old fashioned useful idiots. Americans like them are really traitors who are doing Russias bidding. These toadies are a disgrace to our proud nation.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

Citations abound don't know why it's even necessary. Never forget Romney had a kid in on the scheme too.

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Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

Citations abound don't know why it's even necessary. Never forget Romney had a kid in on the scheme too.

Unless you can point us to a law which stipulates that foreign employment is a crime, you haven't demonstrated anything illegal or nefarious.

All you're interested in is some sort of smear by association. Ukraine = automatic corruption.

Ukraine is the largest nation completely within Europe with a population of 45 million people, and yet you expect us to believe everyone in Ukraine is corrupt and toxic.

That's nothing but a smear job without any particulars offered at all. Jesus, you're on a par with Giuliani.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

Citations abound don't know why it's even necessary. Never forget Romney had a kid in on the scheme too.

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And the above covers 1999-2014. 15 years. That works out to ~$500,000 per year. That is one oligarch in Ukraine.

And if such donations were criminal and violated US election law, why hasn't the Clinton Foundation been prosecuted and shut down like the Trump Foundation?
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

The entire Ukraine thing was total US imperialism at its worst. And first up were the Clintons and the Bidens. They benefited most but there was at least one Pelosi and one Romney family member in there too.

Still doesn't change the fact that your president is into stupid conspiracy theories.

And you defend his stupidity.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

Still doesn't change the fact that your president is into stupid conspiracy theories.

And you defend his stupidity.

Trump doesn't give a crap about getting rich off Ukraine then or now. The Bidens on the other hand....
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

Known facts. I don't have time to spend google is your friend.

If YOU make a claim, you have to back it up, that is how it works.

Show of hands here? Raise a LIKE if you agree that the person making a claim is the one who has to back it up?
 
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