Roger Stone sentenced to 40 months in prison [W:369]

[ecofarm]

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[AlphaOmega]

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Have at it. I'll come visit ya in the joint.

That made my point. Thanks.

 

[Michael Cole]

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That made my point. Thanks.

Glad I could help.

 

[AlphaOmega]

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Who do you think gets indictments?

The accused.

 

[Hatuey]

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You think Comey was really trying to prove anything on Hillary?

Was Comey the only Republican investigating Hillary? Wow, no wonder Republicans couldn't prove the crimes they accused Hillary. Their base didn't even know who was investigating her.

Embarrassing.

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[JasperL]

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Yes there is evidence of wrongdoing. It starts with her not being completely honest with the judge during jury selection. At the link below is a transcript of jury selection for the Stone trial. We now know she was juror #1261. What she, Tomeka Hart, told the court doesn't match her social media account. . We learned she was the foreperson on the Stone jury when she gave a full-throated defense of the trial prosecutors saying “It pains me to see the DOJ now interfere with the hard work of the prosecutors.” after there was talk about the DOJ wanting to lower the sentence put forth by the prosecutors.
That statement led many people to Google her name, and what they found was a litany of postings not only hostile to President Trump and his administration but also specifically commenting on Stone and his arrest before she ever appeared for jury duty. Jonathon Turley, Alan Dershowitz, Judge Napolitano and multiple former AG's and U.S. attorneys all believe there is a very good case to be made for another trial.

Roger Stone jury selection transcript, Nov. 5, 2019 | Courtroom | Judge

Yeah, I read Turley's opinion piece and this lawyer didn't refer to the transcript or to easily discovered facts about this juror, such as she freely admitted to being a Democratic candidate for Congress, or that the defense never posed any objection to this juror or questioned her about her views of Trump. So he made a literally ignorant comment - he didn't bother to inform himself of the very basics of this case, and the details is on what a new trial will depend. He knows this.

And the Tweet about Stone's arrest was about how, suddenly, we're all talking about excessive force during an arrest of a rich white guy when no force was used, but not in the cases of a list of people that I believe were all killed by police during arrest. The point is that Tweet showed no bias against Stone as far as this case goes, but was a commentary on what matters to society. Turley ignored all that. He's a hack these days who just likes to hear himself talk and be talked about.

Same thing with Napolitano. He assumes as a given that bias against TRUMP disqualifies someone for a trial regarding Stone. But if that's the case then the questionnaire and the voir dire by the defense should have in this juror's case closely questioned her about her Trump bias. It would be natural for a black woman from Memphis, who's a Democratic party activist and former candidate for Congress, to oppose Trump, since that's the position of about 90% of Democrats. Why didn't Stone's high priced lawyers pursue that line of questions? Who knows. We know they did NOT do so, and left her on the jury.

Point being the court allowing Stone's lawyers to leave her on isn't an argument for a new trial, unless it's shown this juror had an undisclosed bias against the DEFENDANT, Roger Stone, and nothing in her social media account demonstrates that.

 

[BlueTex]

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The accused.

So back to the question, why is Trump's DOJ such cowards?

 

[vesper]

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Yeah, I read Turley's opinion piece and this lawyer didn't refer to the transcript or to easily discovered facts about this juror, such as she freely admitted to being a Democratic candidate for Congress, or that the defense never posed any objection to this juror or questioned her about her views of Trump. So he made a literally ignorant comment - he didn't bother to inform himself of the very basics of this case, and the details is on what a new trial will depend. He knows this.

And the Tweet about Stone's arrest was about how, suddenly, we're all talking about excessive force during an arrest of a rich white guy when no force was used, but not in the cases of a list of people that I believe were all killed by police during arrest. The point is that Tweet showed no bias against Stone as far as this case goes, but was a commentary on what matters to society. Turley ignored all that. He's a hack these days who just likes to hear himself talk and be talked about.

Same thing with Napolitano. He assumes as a given that bias against TRUMP disqualifies someone for a trial regarding Stone. But if that's the case then the questionnaire and the voir dire by the defense should have in this juror's case closely questioned her about her Trump bias. It would be natural for a black woman from Memphis, who's a Democratic party activist and former candidate for Congress, to oppose Trump, since that's the position of about 90% of Democrats. Why didn't Stone's high priced lawyers pursue that line of questions? Who knows. We know they did NOT do so, and left her on the jury.

Point being the court allowing Stone's lawyers to leave her on isn't an argument for a new trial, unless it's shown this juror had an undisclosed bias against the DEFENDANT, Roger Stone, and nothing in her social media account demonstrates that.

There seems to be several folks from law professors to judges to former AG's that disagree with you. We shall see......

 

[AlphaOmega]

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So back to the question, why is Trump's DOJ such cowards?

Who educated you in civics?

 

[JasperL]

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There seems to be several folks from law professors to judges to former AG's that disagree with you. We shall see......

I just addressed your comment and the the comments of two of your esteemed sources. If you believe bias against TRUMP is disqualifying (when the defendant is ROGER STONE) can you explain why, and why the questionnaire and Stone's lawyers didn't pursue that with a former Democratic candidate for office, whose bias against Trump would seem obvious? That's the legal question, and your esteemed sources don't address that, nor did you.

Just curious, did you see the Tweet about Stone's arrest? I didn't mischaracterize it, but it's what a bunch of people, including you, are relying on to show bias against STONE and it just doesn't get there. Hack Turley, as I recall, only quoted the first line but left out the context, which was the dead people, killed during arrest. It's one of several reasons why his argument was so intellectually dishonest.

 

[Torus34]

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So Gerrymandering never happened prior to the Republicans taking control of legislatures and states? Why is it you people put others in a box claiming that they are a R or D for life? I really feel sorry for people whose education is so poor that they cannot grasp the reality that it isn't Gerrymandering that created the Republican control it was the issues and the actual results generated.

Hi! In reply to your first question, yes, it did.

I've a question in return. Who, by definition, are 'you people'?

Regards.

 

[BlueTex]

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Who educated you in civics?

Has the Trump DOJ sought indictments on Hillary/Comey/McCabe? Why not? Cowardice?

 

[vesper]

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I just addressed your comment and the the comments of two of your esteemed sources. If you believe bias against TRUMP is disqualifying (when the defendant is ROGER STONE) can you explain why, and why the questionnaire and Stone's lawyers didn't pursue that with a former Democratic candidate for office, whose bias against Trump would seem obvious? That's the legal question, and your esteemed sources don't address that, nor did you.

Just curious, did you see the Tweet about Stone's arrest? I didn't mischaracterize it, but it's what a bunch of people, including you, are relying on to show bias against STONE and it just doesn't get there. Hack Turley, as I recall, only quoted the first line but left out the context, which was the dead people, killed during arrest. It's one of several reasons why his argument was so intellectually dishonest.

Addressed? You gave your partisan take which you are entitled to. We will have to wait to see how this plays out.

 

[JasperL]

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Addressed? You gave your partisan take which you are entitled to. We will have to wait to see how this plays out.

OK, if you don't want or unable to defend your argument or those you referenced, I can't make you. But my take wasn't "partisan." Turley admits he didn't bother to read what you cited, which was the transcript of the voir dire. He did omit all but the first line of that Tweet about Stone, removing all context. They all argue that bias against Trump is disqualifying for a trial of Stone, and you cannot cite anything in her social media history evidencing bias against Stone.

Those are all facts, actually. What they argued, and how they did it.

 

[Moonglow]

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Another Trump felonious friend. He hires only the best..

 

[Hatuey]

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OK, if you don't want or unable to defend your argument or those you referenced, I can't make you. But my take wasn't "partisan." Turley admits he didn't bother to read what you cited, which was the transcript of the voir dire. He did omit all but the first line of that Tweet about Stone, removing all context. They all argue that bias against Trump is disqualifying for a trial of Stone, and you cannot cite anything in her social media history evidencing bias against Stone.

Those are all facts, actually. What they argued, and how they did it.

Vesper isn't honest enough to admit that Roger Stone can be guilty of crimes, and people can dislike Trump all at the same time.

That's embarrassing.

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[JasperL]

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Vesper isn't honest enough to admit that Roger Stone can be guilty of crimes, and people can dislike Trump all at the same time.

That's embarrassing.

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What's more frustrating to me is how badly hacks like Turley and even Napolitano are serving their readers/viewers. If the legal standard is that a bias against Trump is disqualifying in a trial for Roger Stone, although that bias wasn't actually part of the questionnaire or the voir dire by Stone's defense, then they need to explain how they made that legal conclusion. It's not an opinion - but what the court based on precedent must find, which is that bias is impermissible to such an extent that the conviction must be thrown out.

Not one of those hacks has connected those dots. They just hand wave it into the discussion as fact, and it's a MASSIVE logical leap.

And the danger is the court is going to rule against a new trial, and all these people listening to these legal hacks are going to be outraged, when they're being IMO effectively lied to about the legal standard. If they're not lying or being deceptive, then someone, a lawyer, needs to explain with precedent how this bias against Trump is attributed to Stone as a matter of the LAW, such that no one opposed to Trump can be permitted to sit on a jury of anyone associated with Trump in any way. Only MAGAs allowed...

 

[bongsaway]

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I heard today that hillary called roger after the sentence was handed down. She wanted to know how the lock her up thingy was going?

 

[Anthony60]

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Hillary had every legal right to erase her personal emails.

You have to be a real moron to believe that she was bleachbitting and smashing Blackberries in order to erase 30,000 personal emails.


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[Diesel]

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Yep. How in the world is Hillary walking free?

You're late. We got all the way to page 4 before someone started stuttering about Clinton. Hold on. Let me check when we finally get to Obama.

 

[Diesel]

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The Trumpeteers are a lost cause. It's the sane republicans and independents we need to win over

Sane Republicans? They all quit. Or died. Or were expelled.

 

[vesper]

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OK, if you don't want or unable to defend your argument or those you referenced, I can't make you. But my take wasn't "partisan." Turley admits he didn't bother to read what you cited, which was the transcript of the voir dire. He did omit all but the first line of that Tweet about Stone, removing all context. They all argue that bias against Trump is disqualifying for a trial of Stone, and you cannot cite anything in her social media history evidencing bias against Stone.

Those are all facts, actually. What they argued, and how they did it.

Look I didn't say I didn't think Stone was guilty of wrong doing. What I stated is the jury may have been tainted. I don't care who the defendant is, he/she is entitled to a fair trial. And no there are plenty out there that believe he is entitled to a new trial.

 

[Anthony60]

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No charges, no guilty verdict, oh yes, they must be guilty.

Meanwhile Billy Bob with these continuous investigations, after finding squat keeps Trump happy by having more

Billy Bob who? Are we supposed to read your mind? You don’t seem to have a problem with “continuous investigations” if they’re being done by the Democrat hacks in the House. I guess you are good with them, as long as they are based on hating Trump, and not facts.


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[BlueTex]

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Look I didn't say I didn't think Stone was guilty of wrong doing. What I stated is the jury may have been tainted. I don't care who the defendant is, he/she is entitled to a fair trial. And no there are plenty out there that believe he is entitled to a new trial.

Of the thousands of federal trials every, how many have spoken up about the jury?


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[Anthony60]

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Oh, hell, why not just put the guy to death for lying to Congress. What hatred you people have for Trump as your ideology is being totally destroyed by Trump

The sad thing is, you’d be lucky to see outrage in half the leftists, if the judge handed out a death sentence. I mean real outrage. They’d find a way to rationalize it.


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