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Roger Stone guilty of lying to Congress to protect Trump and his campaign

W_Heisenberg said:
Roger Stone: Jurors deliver verdict in Trump ally trial over WikiLeaks

Roger Stone guilty of lying to Congress to protect Trump and his campaign. Roger Stone, an ally of President Donald Trump, was found guilty Friday of lying to Congress and obstructing its investigation into Russia to protect Trump and his campaign.

Stone faced seven charges: one count of obstruction of an official proceeding, five counts of false statements and one count of witness tampering. The maximum penalty for all counts totals 50 years in prison, though first-time offenders generally receive much lower sentences.

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While not indicated in this news report from USA Today, live reporting states Stone has been found guilty on all 7 counts.
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They're going to love that Nixon tattoo in the showers.roger-stone-richard-nixon-tattoo.webp
 
Conservative said:
He was duly elected and has done nothing while in office to warrant this hatred. your opinion is based upon indoctrination by the media and the left as you have zero credibility. The only thing that matters now are his actions IN the WH. The Constitution gives both federal and state power, if it isn't in the Constitution it belongs to the states, show me marriage and environmental issues in the Constitution?

You like far too many liberals have no understanding of the Constitution, how our economy works, the role of the President and the Congress. Suggest a civics class
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You keep accusing me of positions I have not posted.
You keep ignoring facts I post.
Obstruction of justice is just one example of actions in office. He has blocked everyone he can from testifying to Mueller or congress.

"President’s actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

Suggest an ethics class. The end does not justify the means.
 
AncientGeek said:
You keep accusing me of positions I have not posted.
You keep ignoring facts I post.
Obstruction of justice is just one example of actions in office. He has blocked everyone he can from testifying to Mueller or congress.

"President’s actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

Suggest an ethics class. The end does not justify the means.
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Obstruction of justice based upon exactly what? Has Trump been charged?? NO, in this country everyone including the President is innocent until PROVEN guilty. You have him convicted without a trial simply out of pure hatred and ignorance of reality. Opinions never win court cases, facts do!! There wasn't enough evidence to prove Obstruction therefore nor indictment and that is the bottom line
 
Conservative said:
Obstruction of justice based upon exactly what? Has Trump been charged?? NO, in this country everyone including the President is innocent until PROVEN guilty. You have him convicted without a trial simply out of pure hatred and ignorance of reality. Opinions never win court cases, facts do!! There wasn't enough evidence to prove Obstruction therefore nor indictment and that is the bottom line
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An OLC opinion that justified indicting Spiro Agnew said it wouldn't disrupt things like if he was president.
The DOJ took this to mean that they can't indict a sitting president.
The government cannot accuse anyone of a crime if they are not indicted to give their side in court.
Not being able to accuse #45; Mueller said that if there was no evidence of a crime, he would have reported that. Mueller reported he couldn't find enough evidence to charge conspiracy. He did not say he didn't have enough evidence of obstruction. He left it to Congress to take care of that.
 
AncientGeek said:
An OLC opinion that justified indicting Spiro Agnew said it wouldn't disrupt things like if he was president.
The DOJ took this to mean that they can't indict a sitting president.
The government cannot accuse anyone of a crime if they are not indicted to give their side in court.
Not being able to accuse #45; Mueller said that if there was no evidence of a crime, he would have reported that. Mueller reported he couldn't find enough evidence to charge conspiracy. He did not say he didn't have enough evidence of obstruction. He left it to Congress to take care of that.
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Keep trying to undo the 2016 election over some bogus Russian charge all designed to make you feel better that your party and Hillary didn't lose the election it was stolen from you! You people have so little Respect for the American people that you want to govern. Russia didn't change my vote for Trump, Hillary did.

Amazing how in 22 months he couldn't find enough evidence to warrant an indictment what would serve what purpose today? You people totally ignore the candidates you have running against Trump and just how corrupt they are, all being multi millionaires and the true greedy people who want that massive central gov't that makes people dependent.

There is absolutely nothing Trump has done that has hurt you, your family, or the country as you desperately seek to blame someone else for your poor choices in life. Anyone dependent on the President for their own personal responsibility issues are the real problems in this country today. One of these days you will wake up and realize that the Democratic Party of today is the issue not Trump and Republicans. It is so sad to see how poorly informed people are on basic civics as you blame Trump for pollution and not your own state and local government.
 
AncientGeek said:
He already folded on the candy flavored vaping ban.
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indeed he did. He folded on the not being world cop as well, and it looks like he's forgotten about the universal healthcare idea. That one has Democrat cooties on it anyway, so he won't touch it.
 
Conservative said:
LOL, there isn't anything Trump can do to earn your support thus a waste of time. What doesn't make sense is what you expect from a President, someone you can like, a politician who tells you what you want to hear, and someone who looks good in public. Stunning how poorly informed you are as you are an indictment of the California education system
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I see you have run out of real arguments and have once again descended to the level of personal insults, just as your favorite president does all too often. Have a nice day. When you're ready to discuss issues once again, let me know.
 
Conservative said:
Please explain to us all how Obama generated a 20k stock market that you claim he generated? You don't seem to understand the private sector at all and what drives it, let me help you, pro growth economic policies, lower taxes spur the largest component of GDP which is consumer spending, reduction in EPA regulations and the elimination of all the Obama anti growth Executive Orders. Please try to show a little objectivity in your posts
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I appreciate you confirming my points about tRUMPers.

GDP growth under tRUMP isn't much different than under obama.

And obama nearly had 300% DJI growth during his term.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
I see you have run out of real arguments and have once again descended to the level of personal insults, just as your favorite president does all too often. Have a nice day. When you're ready to discuss issues once again, let me know.
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Seems as usual you have never refuted the official data posted and makes the typical left wing claim of a personal attack something the left has perfected. Have and will always discuss real issues which Roger Stone isn't. What happened in 2015 is irrelevant to the job Trump is doing today and throughout his first term
 
dairyair said:
I appreciate you confirming my points about tRUMPers.

GDP growth under tRUMP isn't much different than under obama.

And obama nearly had 300% DJI growth during his term.
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that is because you have no understanding as to the components of GDP nor apparently are you very good at math. Trump inherited the 1.6% growth and almost doubled it. As for the total GDP, the 842 billion stimulus boosted the Obama GDP number which still was 4.2 trillion dollars in 8 years, Trump is at 2.4 trillion after TWO!!

As for the DOW, as usual you ignore the fact that Democrats and Obama were in control of the legislative process when the DOW plummeted but that fact is irrelevant. to you. The record high of 14.2 was in October 2007, on election day it was 18.3, today it is 28k. Let's see how good your math is? He was hired to return us to pre-recession levels and increased the DOW 4.1k in 8 years, Trump has increased it almost 10k in 3 years with most of that increase consumer spending NOT gov't spending.

What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty? It is almost like you liberals are personal family members of Obama and have to defend his very poor record.
 
Conservative said:
Seems as usual you have never refuted the official data posted and makes the typical left wing claim of a personal attack 1 something the left has perfected. Have and will always discuss real issues which Roger Stone isn't. 2 What happened in 2015 is irrelevant to the job Trump is doing today and throughout his first term
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1 So, you're a leftie! I had no idea. That does explain a lot.
2 Stone going to jail for lying to Congress to protect Trump of course has nothing to do with Trump. He's perfect, just like his phone calls.
 
Conaeolos said:
My statement had plenty of context as to my casual meaning. You're mixing official facts with official analysis. You're of course free to do so, but it's a lazy argument. Do you deny there is precedence of many similar cases with less mishandling where people have been charged? I doubt it. You seem stubborn but reasonable. Your resistance an emotional reflection of distasteful at a procedural crime being used as a political weapon. On that, we agree. My only criticism is how stubbornly don't see how the logic cuts both ways and much of the same reasoning applies to Roger. If not, I can only conclude you take the official line without question. If so, I hope egregiousness case like Epstein help opens your eyes overtime to the dangers of weaponizing the judicial branch before it too late and the saner voices lose what little guard we have left.

When someone says OJ Simpson is guilty of murdering his wife even after being officially found not guilty. That is well understood to be an educated opinion based on the official facts but despite official findings. 'Lock her up' isn't about mishandling misinformation. It's about a whole lot of uninvestigated accusations.
Emotions rule both camps no one can deny that. You talk a bipartisan game yet can't even see what happened in Rogers case was dirty pool and sign of much danger to come. Sad if not so serious.
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In contemporary American politics, whether or not something is "dirty pool" depends on whether the object of attention is one of "OUR Guys" or one of "THEIR Guys". If the object of attention is one of "OUR Guys" then ANYTHING that hints of exposure of wrong doing (including conviction for criminal offences) is "dirty pool". If the object of attention is one of "THEIR Guys" the NOTHING (including repeatedly raising the same disproved allegations [or even simply making crap up]) is "dirty pool".

Is this healthy for the American system, I don't think so - but it appears that around 80+% of all Americans disagree with me.

About the same percentage appears to believe that "politically motivated gerrymandering", "politically motivated voter restrictions", "politically motivated electoral mechanics manipulation", and "politically motivated judicial appointments" are hallmarks of "a free, open, honest, egalitarian, and democratic society that protects the rights of ALL members of the society".
 
MTAtech said:
Even if it so (which it isn't) that the economy grew enormously under Trump, the fact would still remain that Trump is a self-dealing crook, an authoritarian, and generally unfit for the office -- and should be removed for committing impeachable offenses.

Your defense of Trump is a kin to, "yeah, Mussolini was a murderous fascist, but he got the trains to run on time."
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Did you know that, in 1939 "Mussolini fece funzionare i treni in tempo." was sure to get a huge laugh in Italy?
 
marke said:
Enemies of American freedom and righteousness will find all sorts of evil things to say about their opponents as they lie their way into power for their own benefit at great cost to the American people.

Democrats don't hate evil so much as they are evil and will pretend to be holy only so far as to bring down better men and women than themselves.
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I presume that you would support amendments to the US Code and the Constitution of the United States of America which prohibited anyone from being a "Democrat" (by whatever term is currently used) and which banned "The Democratic Party" (under whichever name it currently operates).

In the name of "freedom and righteousness" of course.

What I am not sure of is whether or not you feel that violations of those amendments should attract an automatic death sentence to be carried would within one hour.

Possibly you could enlighten me.
 
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Conservative said:
that is because you have no understanding as to the components of GDP nor apparently are you very good at math. Trump inherited the 1.6% growth and almost doubled it. As for the total GDP, the 842 billion stimulus boosted the Obama GDP number which still was 4.2 trillion dollars in 8 years, Trump is at 2.4 trillion after TWO!!

As for the DOW, as usual you ignore the fact that Democrats and Obama were in control of the legislative process when the DOW plummeted but that fact is irrelevant. to you. The record high of 14.2 was in October 2007, on election day it was 18.3, today it is 28k. Let's see how good your math is? He was hired to return us to pre-recession levels and increased the DOW 4.1k in 8 years, Trump has increased it almost 10k in 3 years with most of that increase consumer spending NOT gov't spending.

What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty? It is almost like you liberals are personal family members of Obama and have to defend his very poor record.
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His growth is soooo yuuuugggggeeee, he whines nearly daily about the Fed not dropping rates so his economy can actually grow decently. It is likely this next quarter will be well under 2%.

I know the fact the Bush's every American in their home policy added fuel to the already roaring housing bubble. Then watched it crash. Send the economy into the greatest recession ever. That's what Obama inherited.

The proceeded to have the DJI go up near 300%.
75 months and more of pvt sector job growth. A record.

Let me know when tRUMP nearly triples the market.
 
Conservative said:
You really don't understand what your state EPA agency does, do you?
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Under this, nothing the fed doesn't allow them to do.

The EPA proposal would give federal authorities the right to dismiss conditions set by a state or tribal water authority and allow the EPA to overrule a state’s project denial. It would also prevent states from studying air emissions or other indirect sources of water pollution, such as runoff, and instead limit local review to direct “point source” discharges.
States would also be prevented from studying potential pollution to seasonal streams, wetlands or any waters other than those that have been designated as “Waters of the United States.”

But taken as a whole, the rule changes would essentially limit state reviews to match the federal process, said Melissa Kuskie, MPCA environmental review manager.
 
AncientGeek said:
Under this, nothing the fed doesn't allow them to do.

The EPA proposal would give federal authorities the right to dismiss conditions set by a state or tribal water authority and allow the EPA to overrule a state’s project denial. It would also prevent states from studying air emissions or other indirect sources of water pollution, such as runoff, and instead limit local review to direct “point source” discharges.
States would also be prevented from studying potential pollution to seasonal streams, wetlands or any waters other than those that have been designated as “Waters of the United States.”

But taken as a whole, the rule changes would essentially limit state reviews to match the federal process, said Melissa Kuskie, MPCA environmental review manager.
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Traditionally, in a country with a "superior" and an "inferior" level of government, the "inferior" level of government has been allowed to impose restrictions which are MORE severe than the "superior" level of government imposes.

However, in a country with a "dominant" and a "subordinate" level of government, the "subordinate" level of government has been limited to "local enforcement" of the restrictions which the "dominant" government imposes and cannot actually vary those restrictions.

The Founding Fathers envisioned a country with a "superior" and "inferior" levels of government (arguments over which of "The Federal Government" or "The State Governments" will be heartily ignored). The Founding Fathers DID NOT envision a country with "dominant" and "subordinate" levels of government.

[PLEASE NOTE the use of "stops" around the terms "superior", "inferior", "dominant", and "subordinate". This is to indicate that these terms are NOT being used interchangeably but in a more technical sense where there actually IS a distinction.]
 
Doc91478 said:
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The answer is , Not Yet...
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3 years of a Trump presidency not enough time to get it done? 7 separate investigations not enough to get it done for Hillary? Man, that's tough.

Your position is dishonest.


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Hatuey said:
3 years of a Trump presidency not enough time to get it done? 7 separate investigations not enough to get it done for Hillary? Man, that's tough.

Your position is dishonest.


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Of course, It's just like Marxist Socialism.... It keeps on failing but Marxists keep telling us this time it will work... and they still fail.....
 
Doc91478 said:
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Of course, It's just like Marxist Socialism.... It keeps on failing but Marxists keep telling us this time it will work... and they still fail.....
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Bernie's a Marxist. Agreed. I won't vote for him.

We are 3 years into a Trump administration.

No Hillary trial yet?

Okay then.

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Hatuey said:
Bernie's a Marxist. Agreed. I won't vote for him.

We are 3 years into a Trump administration.

No Hillary trial yet?

Okay then.

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My dad used to tell me that justice is well served when it's served cold and dispassionately.
 
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