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Right Wing violence 5 times left wing violence

Jonsa said:
They've arrested 40 something boogaloo boys around the country in the last few months, but for some reason its all about Black Lives/Antifa violence. I'd be willing to bet a goodly sum that among all those white people in portland rioting there's more than a few boys from outta the cascades causin' a ruckus.
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40 in the "last few months"? That a slow night in Portland. :cool:
 
Jonsa said:
Here's an interesting study and database of domestic political violence.

When you analyse the data, it seems that right wing criminals have done more killing (329 )in America since 1994 than Antifa (0). Hell right scumbags have killed more americans that Islamist scumbags who have killed more than leftist scumbags by a considerable margin.

Yep them righties sure are law and order types. Just look how many times they've done the patriotic thing and taken it into their own hands.

Odd how skewed and unbalanced a perception can be, especially if you listen to trumpian fear mongering.


Granted this is from late 2018, but the discrepancy has only increased in the interim. And please not the differing time frames for some stats.

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Where is you data? What are you classifying as right wing? S
 
Jonsa said:
Here's an interesting study and database of domestic political violence.

When you analyse the data, it seems that right wing criminals have done more killing (329 )in America since 1994 than Antifa (0). Hell right scumbags have killed more americans that Islamist scumbags who have killed more than leftist scumbags by a considerable margin.

Yep them righties sure are law and order types. Just look how many times they've done the patriotic thing and taken it into their own hands.

Odd how skewed and unbalanced a perception can be, especially if you listen to trumpian fear mongering.


Granted this is from late 2018, but the discrepancy has only increased in the interim. And please not the differing time frames for some stats.

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These analyses are usually distorted beyond comprehension - a lot of the violence they attribute to "hight winger" are questionable to laughable - to be generous.
 
Jonsa said:
Here's an interesting study and database of domestic political violence.

When you analyse the data, it seems that right wing criminals have done more killing (329 )in America since 1994 than Antifa (0). Hell right scumbags have killed more americans that Islamist scumbags who have killed more than leftist scumbags by a considerable margin.

Yep them righties sure are law and order types. Just look how many times they've done the patriotic thing and taken it into their own hands.

Odd how skewed and unbalanced a perception can be, especially if you listen to trumpian fear mongering.


Granted this is from late 2018, but the discrepancy has only increased in the interim. And please not the differing time frames for some stats.

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Right wing violence does not consist of looting and burning stores. If property crimes are added to the violence list, I am confident that many more crimes have been committed by black ghetto rioters than by right wingers. Properly speaking, black ghetto riots are not left wing violence. They are orgies of black crime. Nevertheless, by condemning the police rather than the black ghetto rioters, and by kneeling in reverence for George Floyd,

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those on the left foment the black ghetto riots. George Floyd was a repeat offender. He refused to raise his son. His death merited no concern at all.
 
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Bullseye said:
These analyses are usually distorted beyond comprehension - a lot of the violence they attribute to "hight winger" are questionable to laughable - to be generous.
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Care to venture an margin of error? because there's one helluva lot of them that are directly attributable.
 
Jonsa said:
Care to venture an margin of error? because there's one helluva lot of them that are directly attributable.
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Are they counting all the death, injury and destruction the BLM, Antifa, miscellaneous dick head rioting going on right now?
 
TurtleDude said:
this is akin to gun banners braying how "assault rifles" are used in more mass killings than say other weapons, when all rifles are used in less than 2% of the murders. It is based on finessing a term to get a result the "researchers" want. Such as domestic political violence. How do you define political violence? and how much of it exists?
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Nonsensical false analogy. You are good at those.

ADL's extremism data makes right-wing violence seem more common - Business Insider

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The group acknowledges that it "tracks both ideological and non-ideological killings by extremists," because it argues to ignore non-ideological killings would be to discount "an inherent and integral part of the dangers they pose to society."

But it's the topline catchall numbers of extremist incidents and extremist murders that the group promotes, and which most often end up being repeated in the press without the important distinction regarding possible motives.

If you are literally measuring the number of violent incidents committed by people with ties to extremist groups or ideas, the ADL's topline numbers hold up.
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The Escalating Terrorism Problem in the United States | Center for Strategic and International Studies
 
Bullseye said:
Are you being willfully ignorant of what is actually happening? Starting fires, assaulting cops and private citizens, blinding federal officers, shooting business owners defending property, etc. sound like "failure to comply" to your :eek:
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not at all. I am aware of the violence that has been perpetrated. I am also aware at times the violence has been perpetrated by the police/feds. Its even on video.

I am also aware that the VAST majority of protesters are not violent. They are not terrorists, they are american citizens exercising their rights. That there are a small number of agitators and criminals is a given. That you paint all the protesters with the same brush is also a given.

I seems you can only think in binary. its either this or that. It can't be both or all.

Have you noticed that in trumpland its everyone else that is wrong and evil and anti american and lying and obstructing? They are all just jealous of your dear leader.

And while you bemoaning the evil leftist terrorists destroying america, you might stop to consider its not Biden's America its happening in, its Trump's America. Course nothing bad is his responsibility - its all the fault of the deep state, evil maxist socialist leftist democrat terrorists, fake news, china, NATO, allies, and illegal brown people generating hoax after hoax after hoax.
 
Bullseye said:
Are they counting all the death, injury and destruction the BLM, Antifa, miscellaneous dick head rioting going on right now?
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yes including some of that destruction includes what the Boogaloo boys and white supremacists have perpetrated.

While you won't look, there is plenty evidence available on the net to support that fact.

But binary thinking is binary thinking and I get that there are those that don't know any other way.


I suppose they'll also include all those rioters shot in the head as right wing.
 
TurtleDude said:
If blacks murder whites for being white, is that less abhorrent than a skin head killing a black?
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If a tree falls in the forest, is a rose still a rose?
 
Jonsa said:
yes including some of that destruction includes what the Boogaloo boys and white supremacists have perpetrated.

While you won't look, there is plenty evidence available on the net to support that fact.

But binary thinking is binary thinking and I get that there are those that don't know any other way.


I suppose they'll also include all those rioters shot in the head as right wing.
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Believe me I've looked. The tread's claim has been aired dozens of times on many forums. What usually happens is "blame it on the right wing" is the default position unless the perps where "I'm a ****ing Democrat" T-shirts. Most "right wing" groups espouse exactly nothing comprising true conservative ideology.
 
Jonsa said:
not at all. I am aware of the violence that has been perpetrated. I am also aware at times the violence has been perpetrated by the police/feds. Its even on video.
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Yeah, on carefully edited video.
Jonsa said:
I am also aware that the VAST majority of protesters are not violent. They are not terrorists, they are american citizens exercising their rights. That there are a small number of agitators and criminals is a given. That you paint all the protesters with the same brush is also a given.
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As the saying goes you're known by the company you keep. I haven't seen any attempt of the peaceful protesters to separate themselves from the violent.
Jonsa said:
I seems you can only think in binary. its either this or that. It can't be both or all.
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Huh?
Jonsa said:
Have you noticed that in trumpland its everyone else that is wrong and evil and anti american and lying and obstructing? They are all just jealous of your dear leader.
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"Trumpland"? WTF is that?
jonsa said:
And while you bemoaning the evil leftist terrorists destroying america, you might stop to consider its not Biden's America its happening in, its Trump's America. Course nothing bad is his responsibility - its all the fault of the deep state, evil maxist socialist leftist democrat terrorists, fake news, china, NATO, allies, and illegal brown people generating hoax after hoax after hoax.
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Give me a friggin' break. :roll: "Not Biden's America"? Are you ****ting me. These are exactly the people he's playing to.
 
Bullseye said:
Yeah, on carefully edited video.
As the saying goes you're known by the company you keep. I haven't seen any attempt of the peaceful protesters to separate themselves from the violent.
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Carefully edited just like the stuff you see on Fox or in trump ads to tell the "other side".
The company you keep? you mean like Trump and Epstein? Guilt by association is a very slippery slope.

Huh?
"Trumpland"? WTF is that?
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Trumpland it that mystical partisan island of alternative facts and reality, inhabited by people who desperately want to believe trump is making america great again. Its just not goin' too well at the moment.


Give me a friggin' break. :roll: "Not Biden's America"? Are you ****ting me. These are exactly the people he's playing to.
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Hahahahaha.

Yeah i guess when trump blames everyone else for his miseries, he isn't actually trying to foist responsibility on others.

Its trump's america that has tens of thousands of protesters in the streets for months. Its trump's america where the democratic hoax has killed 155K citizens, with over a 1,000 deaths today and 74k new cases. But its always somebody else's fault in trumpland.
 
Bullseye said:
Believe me I've looked. The tread's claim has been aired dozens of times on many forums. What usually happens is "blame it on the right wing" is the default position unless the perps where "I'm a ****ing Democrat" T-shirts. Most "right wing" groups espouse exactly nothing comprising true conservative ideology.
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nonsense. But I can see how it reveals an uncomfortable fact for you. Right wing domestic terrorism is an actual thing and its killed a bunch of fellow citizens. A whole bunch more than the left wing loonies and anarchists.

And i totally agree that the far right are not conservatives, just like the far left are not progressive liberals. It seems you think that only your guilt by association accusations are valid.
 
TurtleDude said:
this is akin to gun banners braying how "assault rifles" are used in more mass killings than say other weapons, when all rifles are used in less than 2% of the murders. It is based on finessing a term to get a result the "researchers" want. Such as domestic political violence. How do you define political violence? and how much of it exists?
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They really reach too. I’ve seen some of these “right wing political violence lists” where they’ll include the Las Vegas shooter even though no official investigation or manifesto by the perpetrator has concluded a political motivation, Ive seen the El Paso shooter cited as a right wing terror attack even though his manifesto is not linked to any existing political movement. I’ve even seen the Pulse night club shooting linked to the right even though the perpetrator was a Mohammedan who’s parents were from Afghanistan.

They’re definition of right wing is so flexible that they will make massive leaps to justify every claim
 
EMNofSeattle said:
They really reach too. I’ve seen some of these “right wing political violence lists” where they’ll include the Las Vegas shooter even though no official investigation or manifesto by the perpetrator has concluded a political motivation, Ive seen the El Paso shooter cited as a right wing terror attack even though his manifesto is not linked to any existing political movement. I’ve even seen the Pulse night club shooting linked to the right even though the perpetrator was a Mohammedan who’s parents were from Afghanistan.

They’re definition of right wing is so flexible that they will make massive leaps to justify every claim
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One of the bigger trolls on this board used to claim that the guy who crippled Gabby Giffords and murdered a conservative GOP federal judge, was a tea party member and a bible thumping right winger Total lie of course.
 
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