Rex Tillerson just majorly trolled Donald Trump

[SonOfDaedalus]

If you want to claim "fake news" and "dishonest media" you have to be honest. You can't constantly be caught lying. You can't have it both ways. Otherwise, it becomes obvious that your "fake news" protestations are an attempt to cover up your own dishonesty. What I don't understand is why that's not obvious to Trump supporters?

 

[Hawkeye10]

If you want to claim "fake news" and "dishonest media" you have to be honest. You can't constantly be caught lying. You can't have it both ways. Otherwise, it becomes obvious that your "fake news" protestations are an attempt to cover up your own dishonesty. What I don't understand is why that's not obvious to Trump supporters?

I am from the TTT, I do not lie, it is the most radical thing about me.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

From less that a hour ago understanding that I have been highly critical of the generational warfare we boomers have conducted through Washington for over a decade and as well have been highly critical of the expansion of the war by the current Congress almost from the day that it was announced:


From two days ago:



You need to refrain from talking like you know me until/unless you take the time to get to know me.

I'm surprised to read something critical about Trump from you. That's the first I've seen.

But you have to admit that your claim that you don't think Tillerson was talking about Trump is hard to swallow.

Surely, you must believe it's wrong for a president to be caught lying to the public while at the same time complaining about the "dishonest media." You can't be a dishonest president complaining about the dishonest media. Do you agree?

 

[Hawkeye10]

I'm surprised to read something critical about Trump from you. That's the first I've seen.

But you have to admit that your claim that you don't think Tillerson was talking about Trump is hard to swallow.

Surely, you must believe it's wrong for a president to be caught lying to the public while at the same time complaining about the "dishonest media." You can't be a dishonest president complaining about the dishonest media. Do you agree?

I said he is not talking about a specific person, he is talking about America globally, nothing much he said here is new, this is the reason he came to Washington in the first place under the Trump Administration. .

 

[Fearandloathing]

It is highly unlikely that he was speaking of Trump specifically but certainly the so-called journalists could be counted on to try to use this speech to sell their anti current President of the United States agenda rather than taking it as a broadside upon the FAILED INTELLIGENTSIA!.

Wow.

How did you find out?

I just came from a regional support committee where we all agreed we've been too nice to Trump, so every journalist on the face of the earth is going to double down and report things like how he first said he didn't know about the pay off to the sex star, but then saying he did know. That is soooooooo hateful.

Yep and we all agreed we hate him so much we are going to read EVERY single tweet and report those that make Trump look stupid, at least the best 100.

You know why your posts are so funny?

No onre has ever reported anything that wasn't true and none of you has been able to prove one thing printed about the man is false. You just keep saying 'all journalists in the world hate him'

It is partly right, most of the world hates a bully, womanizer or liar and he's all three

 

[Hawkeye10]

Wow.

How did you find out?

I just came from a regional support committee where we all agreed we've been too nice to Trump, so every journalist on the face of the earth is going to double down and report things like how he first said he didn't know about the pay off to the sex star, but then saying he did know. That is soooooooo hateful.

Yep and we all agreed we hate him so much we are going to read EVERY single tweet and report those that make Trump look stupid, at least the best 100.

You know why your posts are so funny?

No onre has ever reported anything that wasn't true and none of you has been able to prove one thing printed about the man is false. You just keep saying 'all journalists in the world hate him'

It is partly right, most of the world hates a bully, womanizer or liar and he's all three

You are not usually such a FantasyLand inhabitant.

The media’s coverage of President Trump has been overwhelmingly negative, more than three times more critical than the initial coverage of former President Barack Obama and twice that of former Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton.

The Pew Research Center said that the early coverage of Trump was 62 percent negative. By comparison, Obama’s coverage was just 20 percent negative.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...gative-than-for-obama-just-5-percent-positive

 

[Xelor]

Good for him. saying something while still in office would have resulted in his dismissal, but since the WH now has a few revolving door I am not sure it mattered.

He did "say something" while in office. He called Trump an "'effing' moron" and when Rex himself was queried about it, he refused to deny having done so. Indeed, he handled it in exactly the way one'd expect a person of princely manhood to respond to a question whereof nothing good can come from answering honestly and lying is beneath them; he simply refused to discuss the matter.

Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before.
-- Mae West​

 

[Xelor]

By my reckoning yes. He never admitted calling Trump a moron. He gutted the State Department. Thousands of capable people left or retired out. Many with careers of experience in very specific areas. Irreplaceable people.

Now State is in the 'care' of Mike Pompeo. A war-hawk who is also a Trump facilitator and enabler. Maybe you're okay with the mess Tillerson left at Foggy Bottom, but I'm not.

Seriously? I don't know how you can press that narrative.

Trump proposed slashing the DoS budget by ~25%. There's no way Rex didn't know that cut was what Trump wanted to propose. Accordingly, as goes hiring, his hands were fairly effectively tied. Sure, Rex could hire people in the short term while Congress discussed the budget, but once the cuts (even if they aren't the full 25%) became settled with the passage of the DoS' appropriation, Rex, and by extension, Trump, would have faced recriminations for the layoffs.

Well, I'm sorry, but no executive worth his salt is going to create a dilemma like that for him-/herself. It's one thing to find oneself in a Catch-22 situation. It's utterly irresponsible and imprudent to knowingly foment one for oneself.


Edit:
Am I attempting to exculpate Rex for how he managed State? No. The man made some poor decisions, foremost among them, IMO, his predilection to ensconce the seventh floor with folks who had no foreign policy experience. I'm merely noting that your accusation of his willfully gutting State, fails to acknowledge the context of the matter and "game rules" Rex faced.

 

[Mycroft]

Rex Tillerson just majorly trolled Donald Trump

Former Trump Secretary of State Rex Tillerson



Although I applaud Mr. Tillerson's newfound courage, I have to ask why he kept his true assessment of Trump a secret while in office and settled on being an enabler.

Related: Tillerson warns of ethical crisis among U.S. leaders in speech

Why do you assume Tillerson is talking about Trump? He could be talking about Congress...after all, they are leaders, too.

But hey...you constantly make assumptions. I'm not surprised you made one here.

 

[Barnacle]

Why do you assume Tillerson is talking about Trump? He could be talking about Congress...after all, they are leaders, too.

But hey...you constantly make assumptions. I'm not surprised you made one here.

That's what I thought, too. All senators and representatives are leaders of this country ...

 

[upsideguy]

I had high hopes for Mattis and Haley but the luster is wearing off. They've also become Trump enablers.

That is true. Mattis and Haley, though guilty of the sin of enablement, appear to be the only sane adults left in the Executive Branch.

The worst enabler of all, however, is our professional bearer of false witness, Sarah Huckster Sanders.

 

[justabubba]

Rex Tillerson just majorly trolled Donald Trump

Former Trump Secretary of State Rex Tillerson



Although I applaud Mr. Tillerson's newfound courage, I have to ask why he kept his true assessment of Trump a secret while in office and settled on being an enabler.

Related: Tillerson warns of ethical crisis among U.S. leaders in speech

[emphasis by bubba]

a wise man - my dad - answered that question for me when i was a young pup. it was during the turbulent era of vietnam and watergate. the SDS (Students for Democratic Society) had made a few headlines and appeared to be opposed to the bad government around us. behaving in a militant fashion in its response. and Dad sensed i was leaning in that wrongheaded direction. his words changed my life (and likely kept me out of prison). as a lifer in the military, having fought in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, he had seen more than his share of assholes with rank and authority. he reminded me that he saluted the uniform they wore, not the bureaucrats inside. he observed that firebombs from the outside seldom accomplished real change. but by being on the inside, and effecting the little changes one was able to accomplish, a dedicated person could make a genuine difference
i could well be wrong, but i am inclined to believe that tillerson was someone much like my dad; someone who had an opportunity to do the most he could with the opportunities available to him in government. sometimes, that might mean impeding destructive acts by a person having higher authority
whatever his reasoning to accept the secstate position, tillerson shared some excellent, hard won advice with the new graduates ... and other citizens smart enough to heed what he had to say

 

[Xelor]

Why do you assume Tillerson is talking about Trump?

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Is it possible Rex didn't have Trump specifically in mind? Yes, it's possible.

Is it likely he had someone other than Trump specifically in mind? Only for folks who'll go this far to give Trump the benefit of the doubt....

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[Hawkeye10]

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Is it possible Rex didn't have Trump specifically in mind? Yes, it's possible.

Is it likely he had someone other than Trump specifically in mind? Only for folks who'll go this far to give Trump the benefit of the doubt....

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I say it us you who is running with a superficial understanding here.

I also suggest that Tillerson was hoping that you were not assuming that he is this small.

 

[Xelor]

I say it us you who is running with a superficial understanding here.

I also suggest that Tillerson was hoping that you were not assuming that he is this small.

Well, you just keep thinking that....

 

[Mycroft]

Is it possible Rex didn't have Trump specifically in mind? Yes, it's possible.

Thank you for agreeing with me.

(btw, I disagree with your speculation. I like mine.)

 

[Xelor]

Thank you for agreeing with me.

(btw, I disagree with your speculation. I like mine.)

Your quoting me that way and then responding to it as you did is a duplicitous enough stunt to ensure I will not ever respond to you again. Make of that what you will, for I don't care. I do not interact with people who misrepresent my remarks as you just did.

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[Rogue Valley]

Seriously? I don't know how you can press that narrative.

Then we profoundly disagree. Have a good day.

 

[Mycroft]

Your quoting me that way and then responding to it as you did is a duplicitous enough stunt to ensure I will not ever respond to you again. Make of that what you will, for I don't care. I do not interact with people who misrepresent my remarks as you just did.

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As I said...I prefer my speculation over yours.

 

[Thoreau72]

That reasonably honest men become compromised when in government is an old story indeed. Tillerson's case somehow reminds me of the dynamic in Lord Of The Flies, or something like that. Even MacNamara's "Fog Of War". Individual integrity becomes subsumed by the collective mind. Too many times government service means one loses one's conscience.

Good to see him at least speaking out. Colin Powell never had the courage to admit his deceptions.

 

[LowDown]

Rex Tillerson just majorly trolled Donald Trump

Former Trump Secretary of State Rex Tillerson



Although I applaud Mr. Tillerson's newfound courage, I have to ask why he kept his true assessment of Trump a secret while in office and settled on being an enabler.

Related: Tillerson warns of ethical crisis among U.S. leaders in speech

Another big ego joins John McCain in the parade of pique?

On the other hand, I'm not seeing the slam against Trump here. It would depend on how big a left wing partisan you are.

 

[MrShangles]

Rex Tillerson just majorly trolled Donald Trump

Former Trump Secretary of State Rex Tillerson



Although I applaud Mr. Tillerson's newfound courage, I have to ask why he kept his true assessment of Trump a secret while in office and settled on being an enabler.

Related: Tillerson warns of ethical crisis among U.S. leaders in speech

Usually folks that get fired say bad things to get back at the one that fired them.


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