Republicans Try to Block Moore’s Path as Candidate Denies Sexual Misconduct

[iguanaman]

Right, because Roy Moore is a guy nobody's ever heard of before.

Yes Moore is just a typical Republican who doesn't believe in the rule of law and chooses to speak for God instead.

 

[Cardinal]

“Governor Ivey is not considering and has no plans to move the special election for U.S. Senate,” a spokesman, Daniel Sparkman, said in an email. This week, Ms. Ivey said that the allegations were “deeply disturbing” and that “the people of Alabama deserve to know the truth and will make their own decisions.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/us/roy-moore-alabama-senate.html?smid=tw-share

So now it's down to Jones versus the child molester.

 

[Oborosen]

Moore is not even denying it in any real way. He keeps saying that he does nor "remember". Here's what he said on Hannity.

yes, and given his age, not to mention how long ago the events were mentioned to have happened. I would question such things as well. The one may problem I am having with all of this is the story that is being run, and no solid evidence is being supplied to support their claims.

One of them even said that the date to a photo both, which still beg the question. Why is there no photograph supplied to show this?

 

[Oborosen]

The stories all check out, were obtained separately and yet have amazing similarities. Are you equally "skeptical" of Weinsteins accusers many of them waited years too? The stories have all the hallmarks of a sexual predator and Moore himself has predicted more will come out.

The man is going for the senate..

It is a literal fact, that some is going to do all they can to dig up any dirt possible on the man. Or have you been absent for the last four presidential elections?

 

[Oborosen]

Right, because Roy Moore is a guy nobody's ever heard of before.

No, I know very well who he is, and frankly my hope was for Strange to win out over Moore.

Still that is not reason for your filth to just spill out onto the keyboard.

 

[Angelus]

Your acting as if people lack the capacity to lie.

If these women are telling the truth, then yes. I support their call to have him tried, or at least punished in some other way.
But if these women are lying about these things, which the currently lack of hard proof is starting to point in that direction. Then I suggest they be punished in turn, because its not like the recent explosion of the whole "rape" culture hoax wasn't enough for some of us.

Its at least highly suspicious that these women have waited so long, just to drop this tale right before he comes up for the senate.

This is what people call being skeptical.

Thirty witnesses - 4 accusers - an "I don't remember" defense - and colleagues saying it was common knowledge that Moore dated high school kids. Too bad there was no video available.

Reasons Victims Choose To Come Forward After a Long Period of Silence

They establish geographical distance from their perpetrator and feel safer facing it.
Their assailant has died or been incarcerated for another crime.
Family members who would have been hurt by the allegation have died. If a perpetrator is the spouse of a parent, for example, victims might not want to hurt their parent by bringing forth allegations or risk being disbelieved by the parent.
They come to find out the perpetrator has had other victims and are no longer as worried about being believed.
They read a story about a similar incident and experience emotional distress about their own experience.
They have children the same age they were when their crimes were perpetrated and realize just how horrifying and wrong their own abuse was.
They realize there are no statutes of limitations for the kind of crime he or she experienced and it is not too late to report the crime to police.
They are in a supportive relationship and finally have the emotional strength to report. Or, conversely, they are out of a bad relationship and have the emotional bandwidth to address it.
They attend therapy and realize that a lot of their psychological and emotional distress stems from past sexual violence they have never truly faced or addressed.
They cross paths with their perpetrator and old feelings of angst and anger resurface.
They begin to worry there are other victims and want to make sure that the perpetrator won’t harm anyone else.
They are tired of living the “I’m OK” mask and want to live a more authentic life.
They realize they haven’t done anything wrong and have no reason to remain silent.
They realize that the perpetrator will be in a position to do more damage to other women or men.

I assume you also support Jerry Sandusky - after all there was no proof he molested boys. There were a lot of year before the kids he molested came forward - they were also adults.

 

[Oborosen]

Thirty witnesses - 4 accusers - an "I don't remember" defense - and colleagues saying it was common knowledge that Moore dated high school kids. Too bad there was no video available.

Reasons Victims Choose To Come Forward After a Long Period of Silence

They establish geographical distance from their perpetrator and feel safer facing it.
Their assailant has died or been incarcerated for another crime.
Family members who would have been hurt by the allegation have died. If a perpetrator is the spouse of a parent, for example, victims might not want to hurt their parent by bringing forth allegations or risk being disbelieved by the parent.
They come to find out the perpetrator has had other victims and are no longer as worried about being believed.
They read a story about a similar incident and experience emotional distress about their own experience.
They have children the same age they were when their crimes were perpetrated and realize just how horrifying and wrong their own abuse was.
They realize there are no statutes of limitations for the kind of crime he or she experienced and it is not too late to report the crime to police.
They are in a supportive relationship and finally have the emotional strength to report. Or, conversely, they are out of a bad relationship and have the emotional bandwidth to address it.
They attend therapy and realize that a lot of their psychological and emotional distress stems from past sexual violence they have never truly faced or addressed.
They cross paths with their perpetrator and old feelings of angst and anger resurface.
They begin to worry there are other victims and want to make sure that the perpetrator won’t harm anyone else.
They are tired of living the “I’m OK” mask and want to live a more authentic life.
They realize they haven’t done anything wrong and have no reason to remain silent.
They realize that the perpetrator will be in a position to do more damage to other women or men.

I assume you also support Jerry Sandusky - after all there was no proof he molested boys. There were a lot of year before the kids he molested came forward - they were also adults.

Once again, people growing up to not become adults.

We take actions every day that we ourselves must come to terms with.
We see things happen every day that we must come to terms with.
And we have things happen to us every day that must come to terms or rationalize with.

If these women have spent all of these years to just grow up, and only now talk about such a "traumatizing" or "troubling" experience. Then they shall forever have my mercy, and pity. But that does not excuse the fact, that they are for a lack of a better word "LATE" in making their claims.

The mere thought that someone can make some rather exceedingly fantastic claims, 30+ years after the fact, and expect to be completely believed outright. Is a premise that is completely lost on me, and forever will be, so long as someone lacks the will of character to simple "Speak".

 

[notquiteright]

So I guess the allegations did their job, kudos to whoever sat on that little gem for all these years. That's politics for you.

Reminds me of the whisper campaign against McCain in South Carolina during the 2000 GOP primary. The rumor was an adopted child was actually his fathered out of wedlock. BushII won the state.

That's the dirty south for you- earning the title in more ways than one... eace

 

[notquiteright]

I thought that sex based witchhunts were a thing of the archaic past. But reading the entries here from more liberal members show clearly that as a tool to mobilize the base they are as virulent as ever.

The GOP is reaping what they sow...attacking liberals as morally debased allowing homersexuals to marry...MARRY damn you- THE most sacred institution we have- Hail Jimbo I've done it 4 times now...

But to be fair, Trump, Roy and rabid right crowd have been as virulent as ever... :roll:

the GOP has stoked the rabid right dirty south since Reagan... they now have to deal with it and the revulsion more and more Americans feel toward the holier than thou demi-goads... eace

 

[DiAnna]

Roy Moore has presented himself as an unhinged, totally bigoted, homophobic, utterly unqualified judge, who has been removed from the bench twice in his career for deliberately violating SCOTUS and federal law.

If that kind of lunatic ends up on the ballot for the Senate in the first place, then a few dalliances with teenagers (when the entire DA's office knew about his creepy predilection for high school girls), isn't going to change any Alabama voter's mind. He's going to stay on the ballot, and he's going to win the seat, because democrats in Alabama are as rare as raw diamonds being sifted out of elementary school playground sand.

At that point, he will be the Senate's problem. Let them deal with it or, if they follow their usual precedent, not.

 

[Angelus]

Once again, people growing up to not become adults.

We take actions every day that we ourselves must come to terms with.
We see things happen every day that we must come to terms with.
And we have things happen to us every day that must come to terms or rationalize with.

If these women have spent all of these years to just grow up, and only now talk about such a "traumatizing" or "troubling" experience. Then they shall forever have my mercy, and pity. But that does not excuse the fact, that they are for a lack of a better word "LATE" in making their claims.

The mere thought that someone can make some rather exceedingly fantastic claims, 30+ years after the fact, and expect to be completely believed outright. Is a premise that is completely lost on me, and forever will be, so long as someone lacks the will of character to simple "Speak".

It took almost 20 years for the Sandusky victims - the boys who were raped and molested - to come out and speak up against what happened.

It has took over 50 years for some of the boys abused by priests to speak out.

In the interest of integrity - both of yourself and your argument - I assume that this statement applies for them. Of course there were multiple witnesses to support claims made by the victims in all these cases.

When these little boys get raped and/or molested they are also making fantastic claims, and their veracity should be questioned. They should also be prosecuted. Because as children they took the action of being molested. They went to church, or to a support foundation, or were taken to court and they allowed an adult to molest them. And the complaints have to be public - just telling someone doesn't count. They really are the perpetrators of their own abuse - they should take at least half the responsibility. Gotcha.

Of course, when I decide to forgive I really kinda need the person to admit what they did...so no, not really a forgiveness issue. Just people supporting a pedophile as a victim and saying the 4 accusers are guilty.

 

[Oborosen]

It took almost 20 years for the Sandusky victims - the boys who were raped and molested - to come out and speak up against what happened.

It has took over 50 years for some of the boys abused by priests to speak out.

In the interest of integrity - both of yourself and your argument - I assume that this statement applies for them. Of course there were multiple witnesses to support claims made by the victims in all these cases.

When these little boys get raped and/or molested they are also making fantastic claims, and their veracity should be questioned. They should also be prosecuted. Because as children they took the action of being molested. They went to church, or to a support foundation, or were taken to court and they allowed an adult to molest them. And the complaints have to be public - just telling someone doesn't count. They really are the perpetrators of their own abuse - they should take at least half the responsibility. Gotcha.
Of course, when I decide to forgive I really kinda need the person to admit what they did...so no, not really a forgiveness issue. Just people supporting a pedophile as a victim and saying the 4 accusers are guilty.

Really interesting how you are trying to put words in my mouth there. Follow it with anything else, and I might actually start to feel violated.

The aspect here that you are missing, is that we have no idea who is telling the truth. Or who is simply going along with the flow of things, and following herd mentality.

If you come forward earlier then 30+ freaking years, it would make a large amount of things vastly more simple.

Lets postulate.
What if you were accused of inappropriately touching someone that you knew when you were younger?
You were in your 20s at the time, and the accuser was only a pre-teen, lets say 15. No information comes forward describing the incident, other than you were doing said things at their house when you were visiting an older sibling of their. Or even a significant other at this point in your life. Their mother steps forward to assist in the accusation, and even though they supply no evidence but the story of the accuser. The issue takes off, and now you have other people berating you on social media.

At the age of 45, you are now nearly trapped in your house, because two news vans are parked on your street to get a glimpse of you, and you have been physically threatened on all of your social media accounts. Even though you know you never did anything like what you are being accused of, only to find that more people that grew up with the accuser are coming out against you as well.

Not only that, but the only person who doesn't believe the allegations are your mother, partner, and only your closest friend. You've been let go from work over the accusations, banned from most local clubs, and all in the span of less then three weeks.

Does any of this seem fair?

 

[Media_Truth]

Regardless of the confidence the Alabama GOP may be projecting at the moment, from the inside they are more nervous. One of the options? Delaying the election until a more electable Republican candidate can be found.







https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/10/...lumn-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

Reassurances from this White House? Righhhhht. We're talking about Donald Trump, who "likes 'em young". We're talking about Donald Trump who called his own daughter "hot". He will probably start calling this "Locker Room Banter".

 

[j-mac]

Regardless of the confidence the Alabama GOP may be projecting at the moment, from the inside they are more nervous. One of the options? Delaying the election until a more electable Republican candidate can be found.







https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/10/...n-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

How many threads on this do we really need?

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[notquiteright]

Once elections have been called they must be carried out if at all possible. TAG: Another bit of evidence on how corrupt America has become.

I kinda see it as another bit of evidence how dysfunctional the GOP has become. Taking in the Reagan Democrats unrepentant and unreformed has injected a cancer in the Party of Lincoln. The usual cure for most cancers is chemo, and cutting the infected body part out... eace

 

[Hawkeye10]

I kinda see it as another bit of evidence how dysfunctional the GOP has become. Taking in the Reagan Democrats unrepentant and unreformed has injected a cancer in the Party of Lincoln. The usual cure for most cancers is chemo, and cutting the infected body part out... eace

That is dumb unless you cant imagine a D doing it, but then after what they pulled with Clinton Corp who would be that foolish?

 

[notquiteright]

That is dumb unless you cant imagine a D doing it, but then after what they pulled with Clinton Corp who would be that foolish?

Talking about more than a single anything. One unrepentant Reagan Democrat is a nit, the entire herd has placed a pox on the party of Lincoln. Now the GOP has to decide how to keep the votes but lose the repulsive candidates the Rabid Right now demands. Perhaps the much boasted about 'wins' of local GOP legislatures were the point of entry for the rabid right cancer. Gerrymandering the districts to such and extreme that extremist candidates are the only ones who pass muster in both state and federal elections are the extremists. Show any willingness to compromise and the folks at home kick you to the curb and put in some rabble rouser who can't get anything done in office.

Moore is an abomination in politics. Both the GOP and liberals don't want him in Congress. This is the cancer the GOP welcomed during the Reagan era... eace

 

[Hawkeye10]

Talking about more than a single anything. One unrepentant Reagan Democrat is a nit, the entire herd has placed a pox on the party of Lincoln. Now the GOP has to decide how to keep the votes but lose the repulsive candidates the Rabid Right now demands. Perhaps the much boasted about 'wins' of local GOP legislatures were the point of entry for the rabid right cancer. Gerrymandering the districts to such and extreme that extremist candidates are the only ones who pass muster in both state and federal elections are the extremists. Show any willingness to compromise and the folks at home kick you to the curb and put in some rabble rouser who can't get anything done in office.

Moore is an abomination in politics. Both the GOP and liberals don't want him in Congress. This is the cancer the GOP welcomed during the Reagan era... eace

The people decide.

 

[notquiteright]

The people decide.

And their choice isn't a great endorsement about the wisdom of the people in Alabama... eace

 

[Somerville]

The people decide.

And their choice isn't a great endorsement about the wisdom of the people in Alabama... eace

Yes, Alabamans have a problem - well, some them have a problem.

We can't judge Roy Moore yet; just his defenders

Let's be clear.

We don't know if Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore creeped on underage girls 40 years ago, as the Washington Post outlined in a deeply reported story Thursday.
(. . )
Moore supporters wouldn't believe any of it, as one GOP stalwart put it, unless Moore was "caught on video with a dead boy or a goat."
(. . .)
We can't know. And if someone tells you they know they're lying.

What we can know, though, is that all the talk of morality and purity and Biblical superiority isn't worth the backdoor leavings of Roy Moore's horse Sassy. The indignation and upright outrage by those who see a Roy Moore victory as a comeuppance to the sinful is as morally bankrupt as anything Moore rails against.

This is more about them, more than it is about Moore.

I do love this phrase - "caught on video with a dead boy or a goat."

 

[Saladin4]

And their choice isn't a great endorsement about the wisdom of the people in Alabama... eace

Alabama sounds like a horrible place...A Red State Hell Hole...Best to avoid it and fly over it

 

[Somerville]

Even Canadians are interested in this whole kerfuffle. The Toronto Star contacted various Alabama Republican politicians to get their take on the matter.

Alabama is one of the country’s most reliably Republican states, and Moore received strong support from local party activists across Alabama. Their response was another sign of the intense partisanship that has gripped much of the U.S. right over the last decade.

Five Republican county chairmen told the Star they believed the allegations were false. One of them, moreover, said he would vote for Moore even if there were proof Moore had abused a girl.

“I would vote for Judge Moore because I wouldn’t want to vote for Doug,” said Bibb County chairman Jerry Pow. “I’m not saying I support what he did.”

Covington County chairman William Blocker also said he’d consider voting for Moore even if hard evidence of sexual abuse emerged.

“There is no option to support Doug Jones, the Democratic nominee. When you do that, you are supporting the entire Democrat party,” he said.

Geneva County chairman Riley Seibenhener said he did not think Moore should withdraw even if the allegations were true.

“Other than being with an underage person — he didn’t really force himself,” Seibenhener said. “I know that’s bad enough, but I don’t know. If he withdraws, it’s five weeks to the election . . . that would concede it to the Democrat.”

 

[jimbo]

Regardless of the confidence the Alabama GOP may be projecting at the moment, from the inside they are more nervous. One of the options? Delaying the election until a more electable Republican candidate can be found.







https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/10/...lumn-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

Delaying the election is likely the least possible scenario. You don't get a do over just because you don't like your candidate.

 

[notquiteright]

Alabama sounds like a horrible place...A Red State Hell Hole...Best to avoid it and fly over it

Oh it's not so bad if your white, claim everything is GAWD'S will, and use the so-called Good Book to justify your bigotry. Kinda like a state of fundamentalist Archie Bunkers without a good dental plan...

Sad thing is my state isn't much better but at least we don't promote our biggest embarrassments for the entire nation to mock... eace

 

[Saladin4]

Oh it's not so bad if your white, claim everything is GAWD'S will, and use the so-called Good Book to justify your bigotry. Kinda like a state of fundamentalist Archie Bunkers without a good dental plan...

Sad thing is my state isn't much better but at least we don't promote our biggest embarrassments for the entire nation to mock... eace

Alabama sounds awful...Even looking down on it from 35,000 feet isn't very appealing.....I'll avoid that hell hole