Republicans Ask Democrats To Please Leave Trump's Tax Returns ALONE

[CaughtInThe]

Did they say "Pretty Please"?

 

[Conservative]

I can assure you, that I'm not partial to being led into the madness and vile of Republican so called "Conservative" spin, and I can stand on solid principles that I will not support the continuing of the Right Wing Agenda, and Certainly not the SERF making Ideals of the Right Wing's long engaged and continuing pursuit of pandering to the wealthy to overtake the American people with their plutocratic agenda, while pretending to be about the people. Their heath care aims to "kill off a mass of people" in exemplary of Republican Ideals. The give away of the $1.X Trillion to the wealthy, and the incessant aims to enrich the Military Industrial Complex, not to mention their attacks upon and against the system of "Regulatory Governance"..... and now their aims and acts of attack upon the American system of Justice.... Certainly not the embrace of the Racist Hate Groups who have amassed themselves in full endorsement of Republican Agenda, while their Cult Leader continue by every means to embolden bigots, racist, swindlers, and cycle a band of thieves into the Cabinet of the Administration...

So.... by no means should you waste your time trying to even remotely suggest that I join or support that madness.

As to Elizabeth Warren.. the attack on her is no different than the Attack on Obama... because they want to break down the Plutocratic System that has stripped, ripped and indentured the people by any and every means, and lulled them into self repressive agitation, while the wealthy continue to fleece the nations in their Avarice Heart Driven Madness. See the big difference that you don't grasp is: ... I can think for myself... I don't need an Authoritarian minded Republican system, trying to tell me what to think, and trying to tell people what rights they can and can't have. We've seen 100's of years of that stupidity damage america repeatedly.

As to the word, Socialism... you need to learn more than to use it as a Right Wing Trigger Word.... Every system on earth is a form of faction of social-ism, because humanity is a social system itself.

Let me give it to you again, not that you'd grasp or comprehend or even make effort to understand, but I give you this based on affording the benefit of doubt, that human potential has the ability to comprehend... "The Preamble"

Not exactly sure where you grew up but I grew up in a family where my Dad dropped out of school after the 6th grade, went to work in the CCC camps in Idaho, joined the Navy and was at Pearl Harbor when it was bombed. He grew up poor mining family in Ky, learned a trade in the Navy, opened his own business after never receiving any formal education and because successful through hard work, initiative, drive, honest labor raising me and my sister. He taught me personal responsibility which he learned and taught me there are consequences for poor choices. He taught me to celebrate success and not envy it or demonize it. He never accepted anything that he didn't earn and paid his taxes as required. Too bad many of you never had that kind of upbringing

Socialism is a disease just like communism as it is about leveling the playing field by govt. controls and activity. That never was the responsibility of the federal gov't but you people have made it their responsibility. What Donald Trump or any other American pays in taxes is none of your damn business, that is the business of the IRS. You aren't justified in taking my money for your own personal responsibilities nor are you apparently capable of competing in the private sector so you want to destroy it. Taking money from someone else doesn't make anyone richer except the bureaucrats. You have yet to offer any proposals other than promoting class envy, jealousy, and redistribution of wealth.

Socialism is a disaster in Europe but that is all they have, basically an economy dependent on the gov't. If that is what you want to have, move there but stop trying to change this country based upon your own biases and ignorance

 

[ataraxia]

Republicans Ask Democrats To Please Leave Trump's Tax Returns ALONE [/COLOR]

Yes! We need to stop this witchhunt and presidential harassment go back to doing some real investigations: like going back to 6 more years of looking for Obama's secret Kenyan birth certificate! :lamo

 

[Conservative]

A pie that is growing says nothing without seeing the context. Population is also growing. Also, all else being equal, a country with a younger population (US) will see a higher GDP growth than the same country with an older population. What I see is that it does not make sense to have an INCREASING inequality while it becomes progressively more difficult to compete against emerging new powers in the international field (China) and against the threat of automation which up until now does not seem to replace the jobs that it eliminates with new ones. I live in Silicon Valley and while I am a mechanical engineer and not a computer or software engineer, I have extensive contacts with people in the business because we share a bond as engineers. The biggest threat t I hear from the experts is the progress of artificial intelligence.

This is not like a repetition if the industrial revolution where old jobs were replaced by new ones which even uneducated people could perform in factories. You will get the first glimpse of the consequences when smart cars and trucks will eliminate hundreds of thousands of jobs from taxi drivers to bus and truck drivers. I do not see any point in insisting on a system which continues to feed a tiny minority at the top with about 35% of the pie (and their percentage of the pie is constantly growing) and leave progressively smaller pieces for the rest of the population. It is not sustainable. Also, I do not see earnings as JUST a matter of work or being smart and personal responsible. The way we have constructed our society affects earnings for everybody. This is why we saw bankers who destroyed the global economy bail out with golden parachutes of millions of dollars. This is why some want to make sure that unions are weak i while corporations are getting stronger since such disparity of power has implications in negotiations.

The solutions to the problems are about more equal distribution of the generated wealth, and about different structures of the economy. For example, I have heard computer engineers arguing that one of the possible solutions to the problem of the upcoming unemployment which will come as a result of the AI replacing many workers is to radically reduce the concept of the full working day from 8 hours to 4 hours a day. Of course, such decisions require legislation and a government which will be willing to go against the prevailing business interests.

the pie stopped growing with gov't intervention during the Obama Administration because of the policies that you want to support, reduction in incentive, punishing wealth creation, and promoting class envy, and equating tax cuts to an expense. You obviously don't like the economy in this country so move, that is your right and you have freedom to do so because of the freedoms we have in this country created by the gov't our Founders created. I suggest a study of history and civics before continuing to promote socialism

You want equal redistribution with no mechanism to do that other than through taxes but you haven't explained how raising taxes makes someone else richer? Different structures of the economy? What does that mean? Reducing unemployment?? Really? how do you get people to work who don't want to work and what is the definition of full employment in your world?

So when gov't goes against prevailing business interests who does that benefit? Pie in the sky liberal economic policies have failed wherever tried but never stops people like you from promoting them. I wish we could get a plane load of you people to live in Europe for a year and come back telling us of your experiences although in your case that would be utopia because gov'ts there take care of all the personal responsibility needs of people thus removing incentive from the mix.

That European utopia you claim exists is in your mind not in reality and you have offered no specific solutions but rather generalizations only.

 

[Conservative]

Yes! We need to stop this witchhunt and presidential harassment go back to doing some real investigations: like going back to 6 more years of looking for Obama's secret Kenyan birth certificate! :lamo

So it is more important to see the tax records of an American and not their college transcript of their valid U.S. birth certificate? That dog stopped hunting a few years ago so put it to rest. Let the IRS do its job and why don't you do yours by celebrating the success of others and working to join them?

 

[pamak]

Not exactly sure where you grew up but I grew up in a family where my Dad dropped out of school after the 6th grade, went to work in the CCC camps in Idaho, joined the Navy and was at Pearl Harbor when it was bombed. He grew up poor mining family in Ky, learned a trade in the Navy, opened his own business after never receiving any formal education and because successful through hard work, initiative, drive, honest labor raising me and my sister. He taught me personal responsibility which he learned and taught me there are consequences for poor choices. He taught me to celebrate success and not envy it or demonize it. He never accepted anything that he didn't earn and paid his taxes as required. Too bad many of you never had that kind of upbringing

Socialism is a disease just like communism as it is about leveling the playing field by govt. controls and activity. That never was the responsibility of the federal gov't but you people have made it their responsibility. What Donald Trump or any other American pays in taxes is none of your damn business, that is the business of the IRS. You aren't justified in taking my money for your own personal responsibilities nor are you apparently capable of competing in the private sector so you want to destroy it. Taking money from someone else doesn't make anyone richer except the bureaucrats. You have yet to offer any proposals other than promoting class envy, jealousy, and redistribution of wealth.

Socialism is a disaster in Europe but that is all they have, basically an economy dependent on the gov't. If that is what you want to have, move there but stop trying to change this country based upon your own biases and ignorance

Are you aware about the socialist subsidies of the GI Bill?

G.I. Bill - Wikipedia

The Servicemen's Readjustment Act of 1944, also known as the G.I. Bill, was a law that provided a range of benefits for returning World War II veterans (commonly referred to as G.I.s). It was designed by the American Legion, who helped push it through Congress by mobilizing its chapters (along with the Veterans of Foreign Wars); the goal was to provide immediate rewards for practically all World War II veterans.
The act avoided the highly disputed postponed life insurance policy payout for World War I veterans that caused political turmoil for a decade and a half after that war.[1] Benefits included dedicated payments of tuition and living expenses to attend high school, college or vocational/technical school, low-cost mortgages, low-interest loans to start a business, as well as one year of unemployment compensation. It was available to all veterans who had been on active duty during the war years for at least 90 days and had not been dishonorably discharged—exposure to combat was not required.[2] The recipients did not pay any income tax on the G.I. benefits, since they were not considered earned income.[3]

 

[Conservative]

Are you aware about the socialist subsidies of the GI Bill?

G.I. Bill - Wikipedia

The Servicemen's Readjustment Act of 1944, also known as the G.I. Bill, was a law that provided a range of benefits for returning World War II veterans (commonly referred to as G.I.s). It was designed by the American Legion, who helped push it through Congress by mobilizing its chapters (along with the Veterans of Foreign Wars); the goal was to provide immediate rewards for practically all World War II veterans.
The act avoided the highly disputed postponed life insurance policy payout for World War I veterans that caused political turmoil for a decade and a half after that war.[1] Benefits included dedicated payments of tuition and living expenses to attend high school, college or vocational/technical school, low-cost mortgages, low-interest loans to start a business, as well as one year of unemployment compensation. It was available to all veterans who had been on active duty during the war years for at least 90 days and had not been dishonorably discharged—exposure to combat was not required.[2] The recipients did not pay any income tax on the G.I. benefits, since they were not considered earned income.[3]

Yes I learned about the GI bill growing up and wondered why my dad didn't use it but dropping out of school at the 6th grade level didn't provide him with the ability to use that so he used his talents, work ethic and skills learned in the Navy to start his own business, a foreign concept to entitlement minded liberals like you

Your entire attitude destroys the basic foundation upon which this country was built as you bought the Obama claims that my dad didn't build that or create that. Both he and the leftwing ideologues are liars. This country was built on neighbor helping neighbor with that neighbor NOT being a federal bureaucrat

 

[pamak]

So it is more important to see the tax records of an American and not their college transcript of their valid U.S. birth certificate? That dog stopped hunting a few years ago so put it to rest. Let the IRS do its job and why don't you do yours by celebrating the success of others and working to join them?

Yes!

Was this an actual question or are you trolling?

I do not see any benefit in seeing a college transcript or a birth certificate. I see many benefits if voters have a good understanding of the financial links of the different candidates.

 

[pamak]

Yes I learned about the GI bill growing up and wondered why my dad didn't use it but dropping out of school at the 6th grade level didn't provide him with the ability to use that so he used his talents, work ethic and skills learned in the Navy to start his own business, a foreign concept to entitlement minded liberals like you

Your entire attitude destroys the basic foundation upon which this country was built as you bought the Obama claims that my dad didn't build that or create that. Both he and the leftwing ideologues are liars. This country was built on neighbor helping neighbor with that neighbor NOT being a federal bureaucrat

Well, other people though used the GI Bill and America did not go to hell. On the contrary, the middle class developed during such socialism...
By the way, in the end the government helped your father through the skills he acquired in the navy.

 

[Conservative]

Yes!

Was this an actual question or are you trolling?

I do not see any benefit in seeing a college transcript or a birth certificate. I see many benefits if voters have a good understanding of the financial links of the different candidates.

Then what does the IRS do? You are just searching for another reason to hate Trump as if another reason was necessary. He is President of the United States and you will have a chance to replace him in 2 years so why is this an issue now?

 

[Conservative]

Well, other people though used the GI Bill and America did not go to hell. On the contrary, the middle class developed during such socialism...
By the way, in the end the government helped your father through the skills he acquired in the navy.

The GI Bill gave people an opportunity what they did what that opportunity then is what matters not continue expansion of federal gov't responsibilities Socialism destroys incentive, creates weaker economic growth, and benefits only the bureaucrats with power, that is reality

 

[pamak]

Then what does the IRS do? You are just searching for another reason to hate Trump as if another reason was necessary. He is President of the United States and you will have a chance to replace him in 2 years so why is this an issue now?

The IRS is only looking about tax evasion and not conflict of interest issues....I am searching for transparency and I am for revealing the taxes of EVERY candidate. he problem is that it is only Trump who refuses to reveal such information.

 

[OpportunityCost]

What we have from Trump and His Fanboys is consciousness of guilt.

From day one.

Before day one.

You know what to do with your platitudes when you ignore due process don't you?

 

[Conservative]

The IRS is only looking about tax evasion and not conflict of interest issues....I am searching for transparency and I am for revealing the taxes of EVERY candidate. he problem is that it is only Trump who refuses to reveal such information.

Good so we have a President who currently is donating his salary that never broke any tax laws, end of subject? Can you show us any actual results during the last two years that benefited any foreign power thus showing that Trump is beholden to anyone?

You don't want transparency or you would have demanded it from Obama. you want something to embarrass Trump. Results matter, not your perceptions

 

[OpportunityCost]

There's no assumption of guilt, there's a suspicion.

Learn that the difference entitles Congress to broad investigative authority.

No. Reasonable suspicion does. This isn't reasonable. As I have said repeatedly, while he is President? Have at it. Before? No.

 

[pamak]

The GI Bill gave people an opportunity what they did what that opportunity then is what matters not continue expansion of federal gov't responsibilities Socialism destroys incentive, creates weaker economic growth, and benefits only the bureaucrats with power, that is reality

And the socialism I want is the one which gives an opportunity to people. Programs like the GI Bill were programs which redistributed wealth from those who payed more taxes (rich) to those who were very poor like your father and wanted to build a life.

 

[OpportunityCost]

And that is why you can blame Nunes, Gowdy, and the other Republicans on the House Intel Committee for providing this pathway for Schiff - not that isn't totally constitutional - it is.

We warned them at the time, they chose to not listen, and believed they'd be in the majority forever.

That's a big pile of scape goating bull****. Congress didn't start leaking since 2009, it always has. It isn't rooted in partisan affiliation. You cannot seriously be trying to blame possible Democrat leaks on Republicans. That's just stupid right on its face.

 

[OpportunityCost]

I did not accuse him of anything!

I am just not trusting politicians, especially when they are repeatedly caught lying. The latest example related to Trump's finance had to do with this claim that he did not pursue any dealings in Russia while now we hear that he did pursue a deal even after the start of the campaign. So, I want to see people hold all politicians accountable and transparent. It is you who does not understand the difference between being suspicious instead of being gullible or the difference between assuming that someone is innocent from assuming that someone is guilty.

Presumption of innocence is a basic right of every US citizen. It does not suddenly become irrelevant because they are President.

 

[Conservative]

And the socialism I want is the one which gives an opportunity to people. Programs like the GI Bill were programs which redistributed wealth from those who payed more taxes (rich) to those who were very poor like your father and wanted to build a life.

What you want already exists but you are spending way too much time here instead of investigating what is available. GI Bill doesn't redistribute anything as taxes don't redistribute they take from someone else and create more dependence.

 

[pamak]

No. Reasonable suspicion does. This isn't reasonable. As I have said repeatedly, while he is President? Have at it. Before? No.

Well who says that it is not reasonable? You? The House has a different opinion and this is what matters right now. By the way, a person who lies about his business in Russia is certainly giving ground for reasonable suspicion. More than that, transparency should be a demand of the voters, There is an issue of corruption in politics which justifies such demand for every politician and makes ir veryyy reasonable.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Well who says that it is not reasonable? You? The House has a different opinion and this is what matters right now. By the way, a person who lies about his business in Russia is certainly giving ground for reasonable suspicion. More than that, transparency should be a demand of the voters, There is an issue of corruption in politics which justifies such demand for every politician and makes ir veryyy reasonable.

The House isn't conducting oversight, they are pursuing political ends.

 

[OscarLevant]

That certainly is your opinion not backed by anything other than leftwing media and spin. TARP recapitalized the banks and those were loans, taking over GM didn't save the auto industry it saved the GM Unions You are going to continue to believe what the left tells you and ignore history. What is it about liberalism that creates people like you and the state of California, the bluest state of them all a social disaster?

My profession is in the tourism industry, and I deal with out of state people, foreigners, every day of the last 25 years I've been in this profession, and not once, seriously, not once did i get a response anything other than envy for life in California. This is one of the finest, most attractive, most envied states in the union, and proof of that is that 39 million people live here, far more than any other state.
Sure, like all big states, big cities, there are problems, but so what?

The fact that you wold express such a ignorant view of this state, which is blatantly wrong, for me, throws into question your credibility.

I live in San Diego



And you live, where?

 

[Obscurity]

The House isn't conducting oversight, they are pursuing political ends.

I think it is absolutely oversight to find out what Trump is covering up concerning his personal debts, especially given his ignorance of the emoluments clause, his overt nepotism and his ties to russians running illegal business in the US.

If this were Obama, you'd want it investigated, just like I do.

 

[pamak]

What you want already exists but you are spending way too much time here instead of investigating what is available. GI Bill doesn't redistribute anything as taxes don't redistribute they take from someone else and create more dependence.

What you describe is redistribution, and if such socialist ;programs have been a success, you should consider redistribution at a broader level and not only age the veterans level. From other social democracies, we can see that it is possible to do it.

 

[Conservative]

My profession is in the tourism industry, and I deal with out of state people, foreigners, every day of the last 25 years I've been in this profession, and not once, seriously, not once did i get a response anything other than envy for life in California. This is one of the finest, most attractive, most envied states in the union, and proof of that is that 39 million people live here, far more than any other state.
Sure, like all big states, big cities, there are problems, but so what?

The fact that you wold express such a ignorant view of this state, which is blatantly wrong, for me, throws into question your credibility.

I live in San Diego



And you live, where?

California is an absolutely beautiful state in the right areas but the basic system you are promoting already exists there and the wage gap, cost of living, poverty, and homelessness are at the top on the nation and that speaks volumes about the ideology you are promoting. Amazing how people continue to escape California for economic activity and you aren't going to grow out of the problem by tourism alone

And you live where?

San Diego Homeless

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California homeless

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Want me to post more from LA and SF?