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Republican party, change or die?

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So back in 2012 the republican leadership got together to try to figure out why they were losing elections.

One of the big problems they observed is that minorities thought the republican party was against them, so minorities weren't voting republican. And as minority groups continue to grow and white groups continue to shrink, this was only going to get worse.

Do republicans need to change to survive?
 
The Republican party that was is dead already.

It'll continue in some form since the hatred that drove right wingers to claim Obama was really a secret muslim from kenya who hated America and was racist against white people drove them to vote for Trump, and will continue to drive them to say, do, support, and vote for disgusting (if not evil, in many cases) things.
 
Better to stick with the party that embraces minorities.

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Well, one wanna-be at any rate, but she seems to be on her way out.
 
i don't think the republican party has changed that much but the democratic party changes almost daily in the agenda of pandering to their selected masses. If the democrats think thing like free stuff, diversity and pandering to minorities is going to win the presidency they are sorely wrong. What is going to win the presidency is the economy, jobs and not talking down to the masses. Straight talk and kept promises will attracts voters to their side in the 2019 election.
The party of either Bill Clinton, Obama or Hillary is no more.
 
Mr Person said:
The Republican party that was is dead already.

It'll continue in some form since the hatred that drove right wingers to claim Obama was really a secret muslim from kenya who hated America and was racist against white people drove them to vote for Trump, and will continue to drive them to say, do, support, and vote for disgusting (if not evil, in many cases) things.
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Your post is a little over the top
People voted for Trump not because of some perceived hatred for Obama but because they were tired of the same old politics/agenda that they found didn't help them one bit. They wanted someone who would stand for them..that is something liberal/progressives/democrats or run of the mill republicans politicians hadn't a clue about and it cost them all the 2016 election and IMO will probably cost them the 2019 election to boot.
In my opinion very few thought Obama was not an American citizen or 'secret Muslim' and he sure in the hell didn't hate white people. IMO the MSM seems to have a problem with all those democratic presidential white candidates that right now.
 
swing_voter said:
So back in 2012 the republican leadership got together to try to figure out why they were losing elections.

One of the big problems they observed is that minorities thought the republican party was against them, so minorities weren't voting republican. And as minority groups continue to grow and white groups continue to shrink, this was only going to get worse.

Do republicans need to change to survive?
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I considered myself a slight right lean until about 4 years ago. (some won't believe it but my post history here predates 2016 election). The Republican party has changed. They are no longer conservative. They are no longer a party with any morals or values. Some will say they never did, but the party has taken a disappointing turn. They adopted some minor pocket of peoples beliefs (minor but loud) about hate and decided they wanted to be victims. They gave up on what I valued in the Republican party. I hope that this iteration of the Republican party doesn't last. The Trump version that Republicans have adopted when they sold out to follow him is absolutely anti American and they are doing nothing than dividing and ruining our country. Trump and his worshipers that sold out their morals and beliefs are going to destroy America or be defeated entirely.
 
swing_voter said:
So back in 2012 the republican leadership got together to try to figure out why they were losing elections.

One of the big problems they observed is that minorities thought the republican party was against them, so minorities weren't voting republican. And as minority groups continue to grow and white groups continue to shrink, this was only going to get worse.

Do republicans need to change to survive?
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Republicans have changed. The Bushes are gone. McCain is gone. Paul Ryan is gone. Fear of the media is gone. Daily Results over process.
Democrats have changed too from hope and change to doom and gloom.

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Taylor said:
Better to stick with the party that embraces minorities.

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Well, one wanna-be at any rate, but she seems to be on her way out.
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Agree. It's a bit disappointing - the democrat field isn't offering us the "of color" people. How can we know who to vote for in November if both candidates are white?
 
The republican party has changed immensely since the tea party and now the trumpers.

Trump hit the nail on the head with those republican voters. White middle/working class voters will never vote for the democrats (the minority party). All the republicans need to do is feed them that hatrid bigotry and fear to get them fired up before elections.

America is pretty evenly divided. A small segment of the population will decide future elections. Depends which team can get their base the most fired up which way the election swings.
 
Under Trump, the Republican party with minority groups' support has actually grown because many within these crowds are beginning to find out it's the Democrat party, not the Republicans (nor non-Leftist Independents), are the ones keeping them down. Trump's approval with blacks and Hispanics is hovering around 35% and it's only trending up. Those groups are going back to work, getting benefits, and able to get the things they need.

If there is anyone that needs to change it's the Democrat party. They're the ones playing identity politics and they are the ones that race baiting others so they can accuse them of being racist (when it isn't true). It was the Democrat party that:

-founded the KKK in the 1800s

-had helped a Klan member get into Congress in the 20th century

-didn't recognize black people as human beings in the 1800s

-wanted to continue slavery even when it was abolished shortly after the country was founded

-created segregation laws from the 1800s to the 1900s

-created laws that ran cities and neighborhoods dominated by minorities that ran them into the ground (Detroit, Baltimore, etc.)

-supported segregationists (and still do) in the 20th century

-were hosing, beating, killing, and threw black people during the Civil Rights era

-voted against the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s

-are continuing to false narrative that the US is a racist and unfair country, when there's no evidence of that

Putting simply, the Democrat party, despite this list and ON RECORD AS TO DOING ALL THIS, has the audacity to even suggest that it's the Republican party (and even some Independent parties) that need to change because of their treatment of minorities, while in truth, the Republican party was the one that helped put a stop slavery, through out segregation laws, signed the Civil Rights Act, and helped many people in poor minority communities to be lifted out of poverty (with the help of non-Leftist Independents). Another reason why Trump, Republicans, and non-Leftist Independents are going to win big this November.
 
Rickeroo said:
Agree. It's a bit disappointing - the democrat field isn't offering us the "of color" people. How can we know who to vote for in November if both candidates are white?
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I guess we'll have to go with the one that knows how many letters are in the word "jobs".
 
Herkamer63 said:
Under Trump, the Republican party with minority groups' support has actually grown because many within these crowds are beginning to find out it's the Democrat party, not the Republicans (nor non-Leftist Independents), are the ones keeping them down. Trump's approval with blacks and Hispanics is hovering around 35% and it's only trending up. Those groups are going back to work, getting benefits, and able to get the things they need.

If there is anyone that needs to change it's the Democrat party. They're the ones playing identity politics and they are the ones that race baiting others so they can accuse them of being racist (when it isn't true). It was the Democrat party that:

-founded the KKK in the 1800s

-had helped a Klan member get into Congress in the 20th century

-didn't recognize black people as human beings in the 1800s

-wanted to continue slavery even when it was abolished shortly after the country was founded

-created segregation laws from the 1800s to the 1900s

-created laws that ran cities and neighborhoods dominated by minorities that ran them into the ground (Detroit, Baltimore, etc.)

-supported segregationists (and still do) in the 20th century

-were hosing, beating, killing, and threw black people during the Civil Rights era

-voted against the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s

-are continuing to false narrative that the US is a racist and unfair country, when there's no evidence of that

Putting simply, the Democrat party, despite this list and ON RECORD AS TO DOING ALL THIS, has the audacity to even suggest that it's the Republican party (and even some Independent parties) that need to change because of their treatment of minorities, while in truth, the Republican party was the one that helped put a stop slavery, through out segregation laws, signed the Civil Rights Act, and helped many people in poor minority communities to be lifted out of poverty (with the help of non-Leftist Independents). Another reason why Trump, Republicans, and non-Leftist Independents are going to win big this November.
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Wow!

This is.so enlightening

Did.Sean and Rush help.you with that?

Or was it all Putin?
 
Taylor said:
The Democrat debate stage is as white as a Klan rally.
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At least the base isn't, their congressional delegation, or party office members across the country. We just had the first black president for crying out loud. I mean come on, which party looks most like America as a whole?
 
Both parties change all the time. They are very good at reinventing themselves which is why they have lasted so long.
 
swing_voter said:
So back in 2012 the republican leadership got together to try to figure out why they were losing elections.

One of the big problems they observed is that minorities thought the republican party was against them, so minorities weren't voting republican. And as minority groups continue to grow and white groups continue to shrink, this was only going to get worse.

Do republicans need to change to survive?
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Too late, you guys have destroyed everything that conservatism used to stand for.
Even a growing number of top Republican strategists have already expressed the belief that the only way to save the Republican Party at this stage is to destroy it completely, even if it means helping Democrats take back power.
All roads in the GOP lead to Trump and with Trump, all roads lead to Vladimir Putin.
 
rickc said:
From what i have seen at the trump rallies a good portion of that crowd attends Klan rallies too!
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Their are 5X more Americans at the average Trump rally than there are klan members in the entirety of North America.
Reporting the facts CNN-style I see.
 
antiquity said:
i don't think the republican party has changed that much but the democratic party changes almost daily in the agenda of pandering to their selected masses. If the democrats think thing like free stuff, diversity and pandering to minorities is going to win the presidency they are sorely wrong. What is going to win the presidency is the economy, jobs and not talking down to the masses. Straight talk and kept promises will attracts voters to their side in the 2019 election.
The party of either Bill Clinton, Obama or Hillary is no more.
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We the voters are the selected masses so stop voting republican, you'll feel better when you no longer vote against your own best interests.

Kept promises like the wall? Like bigger better cheaper healthcare for all? Tax breaks for the middle class?

And isn't the republican party now the party of healthcare as of january first? What's the plan?
 
Maybe they'll do another internal examination? Nah. I think their idea of an internal examination is how to cheat without getting caught and not letting another candidate like trump take over the gop.


Change? Not hardly. The republican party is mainly about money and the golden rule. Those with the gold makes the rules. Yet somehow the leadership manages to convince these poor republican dunces that they are out for them.

Seems after decades of the south being controlled by republicans and somehow still managing to be some of the poorest states in the country the voters would get the message but they don't.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Too late, you guys have destroyed everything that conservatism used to stand for.
Even a growing number of top Republican strategists have already expressed the belief that the only way to save the Republican Party at this stage is to destroy it completely, even if it means helping Democrats take back power.
All roads in the GOP lead to Trump and with Trump, all roads lead to Vladimir Putin.
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RRRRRRight! Especially your eloquently phrased 'with Trump, all roads lead to Vladimir Putin'. Tell me, when did Russia become the boogeyman!
I don't recall it was a month or two after Obama took office in 2009 when our brilliant Secretary of State Mrs. Clinton presented Russian Foreign
Minister Sergey Lavrov with the 'reset button' nor was it shortly before Obama's 2012 election campaign when Obama was caught on microphone
telling Dmitry Medvedev that he would have more flexibility after November's election to deal with contentious issues such as missile defence.

It was after the Ukraine coup when Victoria Nuland a neocon lunatic
who was tasked with the destabilization of Ukraine & in a period of years spent 5 billion to try to do so, finally with the aid
of ultranationalist of the Swoboda & Right Sector & the EU was able at long last to finally bring about the overthrow of the
Russian leaning president Yanukovich. The swaggering goofiness of Victoria Nuland & her godforsaken attempt to wrap
Ukraine around her fingers simply backfired. Almost a wek after the coup the entire
Ukraine navy “defected” in the Crimea region & pledged allegiance to the unrecognised
pro-Russian leader and surrendered the country's Sevastopol headquarters.

Anyone could have seen rebellion in Crimea, Luhansk & Donetsk after the president they voted almost unanimously for
Yanukovich had to flee because of the Kiev Maidan coup.

It was the eternal call of Ethnonationalism after the coup that Crimea heard & answered.
It continues to be & nearly always has been the world in which we live in the most powerful movement.
Russia invading Crimea, that's a good one.
 
swing_voter said:
So back in 2012 the republican leadership got together to try to figure out why they were losing elections.

One of the big problems they observed is that minorities thought the republican party was against them, so minorities weren't voting republican. And as minority groups continue to grow and white groups continue to shrink, this was only going to get worse.

Do republicans need to change to survive?
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The GOP is dead. It ain't coming back. Hell, they may even attempt to change the name after 2020. My money says the people who helped kill the party - the Religious Right, the Tea Party, the QAnon, the Freedom Caucus, the Trumpublicans - will rename it the "Patriot Party". It won't make a damn bit of difference what they call it.
 
Risky Thicket said:
The GOP is dead. It ain't coming back. Hell, they may even attempt to change the name after 2020. My money says the people who helped kill the party - the Religious Right, the Tea Party, the QAnon, the Freedom Caucus, the Trumpublicans - will rename it the "Patriot Party". It won't make a damn bit of difference what they call it.
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I'm hoping that people like Joe Scarborough and Nicole Wallace form a new conservative party. They could call themselves the "Lincolnist Party".:mrgreen:
 
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